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Old 12-30-2018, 01:38 PM   #101
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It's cost cutting and nothing else. The other excuse I saw was reduced NVH with a torsion beam but come on.
i see the same thing with multiple reviewers excusing use of macpherson struts on supposed sports sedans for "packaging". it's cost cutting and nothing else.

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The question is: if this wasn't called out, how many people would actually notice it? I'm willing to wait to drive one before passing judgement.
are you willing to wait until you have to make an emergency maneuver with your child in the backseat before passing judgment, or will you pass judgment immediately following a lukewarm tepid test drive around the dealership block?
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Old 12-30-2018, 03:58 PM   #102
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So overly dramatic.
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Old 12-30-2018, 06:30 PM   #103
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i see the same thing with multiple reviewers excusing use of macpherson struts on supposed sports sedans for "packaging". it's cost cutting and nothing else.


are you willing to wait until you have to make an emergency maneuver with your child in the backseat before passing judgment, or will you pass judgment immediately following a lukewarm tepid test drive around the dealership block?
yik3s, I need to run outside and put a for sale sign on our Honda Fit. I imagine it's primitive rear end will be the death of me and my family.


80,000 miles and five kids. Not to mention plenty of bouncy twist and no real issues than grunt. although, momentum and lightweight can make up for power.
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Old 12-30-2018, 06:54 PM   #104
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+1 for another Mazda3 / Miata household. Mine is also a 2015 2.5s GT manual hatchback, but I wasn't able to get my hands on that navy color. Too bad! Great cars and they drive well for what they are. The WRX just didn't do it for me as an overall package this time around, even with the AWD and extra power. Lack of a hatch was certainly a big factor too. So we only have the Outback in our house at the moment

Tyler, congrats on the buy!

Damn, I am jelly of that lift! My garage has this bulge above the door so the installer mentioned it would not be possible to alter the garage door rail to provide enough clearance.

I've been looking for a larger home with a 3 or 4 car garage and expect to install 2 lifts inside to house at least 5 cars inside. In addition to 3 cars parked outside.
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Old 12-30-2018, 09:16 PM   #105
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+1 for another Mazda3 / Miata household. Mine is also a 2015 2.5s GT manual hatchback, but I wasn't able to get my hands on that navy color. Too bad! Great cars and they drive well for what they are. The WRX just didn't do it for me as an overall package this time around, even with the AWD and extra power. Lack of a hatch was certainly a big factor too. So we only have the Outback in our house at the moment

Tyler, congrats on the buy!

That's awesome, love that, but do you ever climb into the Miata and drive off, forgetting you're on the 2nd floor?
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Old 12-30-2018, 11:01 PM   #106
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Damn, how much did that lift cost?
$2,500 delivered + $800 for install, with them coming back a few weeks later to make adjustments for the cables stretching after some use. Much more affordable than people tend to think but still an expensive toy. This was my concession for not getting a 3-car garage.

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Damn, I am jelly of that lift! My garage has this bulge above the door so the installer mentioned it would not be possible to alter the garage door rail to provide enough clearance.

I've been looking for a larger home with a 3 or 4 car garage and expect to install 2 lifts inside to house at least 5 cars inside. In addition to 3 cars parked outside.
If you're looking at 4-post lifts they actually make double-wide 4-post lifts to handle 2 cars! That way you don't have annoying posts in the middle to dodge when parking. I had a neighbor a couple years back that stashed his GT3 and GT4 up there, super jealous of that guy.

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That's awesome, love that, but do you ever climb into the Miata and drive off, forgetting you're on the 2nd floor?
That would hurt
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Old 12-31-2018, 11:03 AM   #107
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yik3s, I need to run outside and put a for sale sign on our Honda Fit. I imagine it's primitive rear end will be the death of me and my family.
if you or your "life partner" drive it as if it has an engineered-fine-tuned suspension and superior vehicle driving dynamics, then it just might
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Old 12-31-2018, 11:58 AM   #108
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Old 12-31-2018, 12:03 PM   #109
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If you're looking at 4-post lifts they actually make double-wide 4-post lifts to handle 2 cars! That way you don't have annoying posts in the middle to dodge when parking. I had a neighbor a couple years back that stashed his GT3 and GT4 up there, super jealous of that guy.
Thanks for the info. Yeah, I plan to get back to RWD cars after I secure more indoor parking space. You're definitely not doing bad yourself with the ND!
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:10 AM   #110
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if you or your "life partner" drive it as if it has an engineered-fine-tuned suspension and superior vehicle driving dynamics, then it just might
If one has to the rely on the last tenth of handling capability of a modern car to keep themselves out of trouble, that's simply telling me they are driving like a$$. Types of suspension are absolutely valid if we were discussing track tools, but a non-issue in the real world (unless, of course, one drives like an a$$). God, how do i ever stay safe on public roads in my live-axle, SUV with oversized offroad tires? The best safety mechanism ever devised is defensive driving.

Sounds like teachings from the University of Car Sales, FUD 101 (Fear Uncertainty Doubt)
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Old 01-03-2019, 02:57 PM   #111
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if you or your "life partner" drive it as if it has an engineered-fine-tuned suspension and superior vehicle driving dynamics, then it just might
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Old 01-03-2019, 04:08 PM   #112
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If one has to the rely on the last tenth of handling capability of a modern car to keep themselves out of trouble, that's simply telling me they are driving like a$$. Types of suspension are absolutely valid if we were discussing track tools, but a non-issue in the real world (unless, of course, one drives like an a$$). God, how do i ever stay safe on public roads in my live-axle, SUV with oversized offroad tires? The best safety mechanism ever devised is defensive driving.

Sounds like teachings from the University of Car Sales, FUD 101 (Fear Uncertainty Doubt)
Hey now, twisties out in the sticks are fair game.

I do agree with you on this though. And sub your Sig for a CZ Skorpion with a brace
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:17 PM   #113
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Hey now, twisties out in the sticks are fair game.

I do agree with you on this though. And sub your Sig for a CZ Skorpion with a brace
Lol, actually an integrally suppressed one is next for the collection =D
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Old 01-10-2019, 03:36 PM   #114
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Lol, actually an integrally suppressed one is next for the collection =D
Have a can for mine but it’s a hybrid can I use on everything. What you’re after is trick. Tim (MAC) started up that integrated business with the longer handguard. Pretty trick. But mine has the SB brace so legally it’s still a pistol for CHL so the can only gets used for fun.
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:45 AM   #115
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Have a can for mine but itís a hybrid can I use on everything. What youíre after is trick. Tim (MAC) started up that integrated business with the longer handguard. Pretty trick. But mine has the SB brace so legally itís still a pistol for CHL so the can only gets used for fun.
Innovative Arms has an integral setup for the MPX too, but was never really interested, given how long it was (which kinda defeated the whole SBR thing). Check out their CZ setup. The other nice thing is that you can buy the entire kit with its own barrel, so the CZ doesn't have to get locked up while you wait. That dude, BTW, has the best job in the world.

But I digress. While am disappointed as much as any other car enthusiast here, the reality is that the car market is changing, and with things such as autonomous driving, the enthusiast market is shrinking. Really curious what it will mean to be a car enthusiast in 20 years. Makes sense for Mazda to save a few bucks on something an increasingly smaller group would care about, as much as it sucks.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:38 PM   #116
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if you or your "life partner" drive it as if it has an engineered-fine-tuned suspension and superior vehicle driving dynamics, then it just might
err, I drive the damn thing like I stole it every day. handles like a peach. the rear end will steps out ever so often but I keep on the gas and let the front tires pull it around the corners. I can take a switch back like an ace and the little reflectors rarely unsettle the thing. If the road is horrible Im not going to be a fool and drive hard regardless of the rear end. As a driver I pay attention to the road and I change my behavior based on the road and the conditions.


I still hate the damn thing. to underpowered and a headache at best.

My current beast is a Ford Ranger 2009 with a solid axle..

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