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Old 06-26-2017, 02:43 PM   #126
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You mean something from 6+ years ago? And Chris doesn't make anything. Our talented fabricators do

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Chris Carey's poor business practices and penchant for prostitution. At least he can make a decent header
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Old 06-26-2017, 09:53 PM   #127
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You mean something from 6+ years ago? And Chris doesn't make anything. Our talented fabricators do
I think it was like 4 years ago. Maybe the prostitute is of age by now? ***128562;
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Old 06-28-2017, 07:34 PM   #128
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Old 06-29-2017, 11:10 AM   #129
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Didn't get your cookie in the mail or was someone supposed to care?
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Old 09-12-2017, 12:55 PM   #130
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very interesting thread, nice to see that they got real world testing for comparison.
my question is thou do you make a matching up pipe as well to and will these headers fit on a gc8??
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:01 AM   #131
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Not at this time, but further product development on prior generations of various turbocharged Subaru chassis is something that we are constantly trying to work towards.

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very interesting thread, nice to see that they got real world testing for comparison.
my question is thou do you make a matching up pipe as well to and will these headers fit on a gc8??
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:08 PM   #132
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All of the people dredging up old crap just to make themselves sound like they are moral messiahs really is juvenile. You guys should go crawl back in your holes.

MAPerformance has been a great company to do business with. They help individuals with goals succeed by providing support and sponsorship if you have what it takes to qualify for it.

They are here to discuss the parts that they make in an effort to provide US with options, and they do a good job of that.

I applaud their efforts, because competition keeps prices in check. We need MORE options, not fewer, so when you (you know who you are) come in to THEIR thread, and bring up crap from 6 or 7 years ago, what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Have YOU ever been personally harmed by the actions of ANYONE at MAP? Have they ever failed to deliver a product you paid for? Have they ever failed to honor a VALID warranty issue you have had?

Like I said, go crawl back into your holes.

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Thank you for doing the donkey work. Thank you for your help, and thank you for your willingness to work with enthusiasts, in an effort to further the Subaru brand. I genuinely appreciate it.
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Old 09-24-2017, 11:55 AM   #133
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^^^^ this. Back to your regularly scheduled header discussion please and thank you.
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Old 09-24-2017, 06:20 PM   #134
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Id like to see these compared with perrin headers or killer b. Conparing it with a header that is disliked among many isn't saying much. No disrespect but its like saying "at least our products arent as ****ty as brand x"
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Old 09-25-2017, 09:10 AM   #135
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Maybe someday I can compare. I personally own a KillerB, Invidia race EL "2 bolt upipe flange style", and a Perrin small runner EL header.

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Old 07-08-2021, 12:01 PM   #136
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Brining the thread form the dead. Has anyone did a comparison on MAP vs Killer Bee Holy headers?
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Old 07-09-2021, 09:08 PM   #137
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Brining the thread form the dead. Has anyone did a comparison on MAP vs Killer Bee Holy headers?
I was wondering the same thing. I feel like thatís what the whole argument was about and then they never compared it to killer B, I feel like thatís what the whole point was with sending them out to Junior. The only thing either of these tests prove, was that they perform better than the most disliked header. But was not compared to the most liked best performing header
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Old 07-12-2021, 01:36 PM   #138
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Well, I have a new set of Killer Bee headers. If someone wants to PP me $1000 I can get a MAP header and compare the two
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Old 07-21-2021, 06:57 PM   #139
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Well, I have a new set of Killer Bee headers. If someone wants to PP me $1000 I can get a MAP header and compare the two
I wouldnt bother.

Iíd like to see whatís up with that new ETS max flow header. I donít know of any up pipes that mate to its massive flange 2.26Ē opening. My rotated pipe for example is 2Ē. They also have claimed to have amazing results but I have only heard that from them and nobody who has made the purchase.
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Old 07-22-2021, 09:30 AM   #140
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The Max Flow was recommended by a employee from Six star motorsport when i called them and had a discussion about my project. I think the ETS and the Killer B Max flow headers are a little over kill for my needs, so I went with their Holy headers.
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Old 07-22-2021, 10:51 AM   #141
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I wouldnt bother.

Iíd like to see whatís up with that new ETS max flow header. I donít know of any up pipes that mate to its massive flange 2.26Ē opening. My rotated pipe for example is 2Ē. They also have claimed to have amazing results but I have only heard that from them and nobody who has made the purchase.
i saw one result on FB using the ETS max flow header. it was compared directly to the standard killerB, NOT the killerb max flow or whatever it's called. it picked up power in the upper rpm's if i remember correctly. but this was at high boost (30+psi), on a 700+whp setup. the low boost didnt really have much of a difference vs killerb, and killerb header that was on the car was the standard holy header, not their max flow or whatever it's called was.
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Old 07-22-2021, 06:02 PM   #142
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I wouldnt bother.

Iíd like to see whatís up with that new ETS max flow header. I donít know of any up pipes that mate to its massive flange 2.26Ē opening. My rotated pipe for example is 2Ē. They also have claimed to have amazing results but I have only heard that from them and nobody who has made the purchase.
Oh you mean this?

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2930411
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Old 07-23-2021, 07:18 AM   #143
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i saw one result on FB using the ETS max flow header.
The one posted on the ETS site is more marketing than apples-to-apples.

User's plot is likely a more realistic comparison. The spool differences are interesting, which is why it's always nice to see data logs with plots like this so you can see why. Correction factor isn't shown, date and time of plots, etc... It's just nice to see a full picture.

Regardless, both of those were vs our older traditional header, not our latest Max-VE that is made specifically for BIG power.
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Old 07-23-2021, 09:48 AM   #144
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The one posted on the ETS site is more marketing than apples-to-apples.

User's plot is likely a more realistic comparison. The spool differences are interesting, which is why it's always nice to see data logs with plots like this so you can see why. Correction factor isn't shown, date and time of plots, etc... It's just nice to see a full picture.

Regardless, both of those were vs our older traditional header, not our latest Max-VE that is made specifically for BIG power.

How much gain over the traditional holy-header is expected with the max-VE version at or above ~500WHP?

Assuming its a normal setup with a GT35
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Now we are cooking!

The only thing I want to know about the killer bee set up is if the piping diameter will match my rotated uppipe diameter of 2 inches? If so, ETS just lost another sale from weird sizing

User, did the header match the a pipe? Because ETS is saying that the opening for the flange is 2.26 but I canít seem to find a single up pipe that would actually meet to that without creating a bottle neck. And if the size that they gave me is incorrect, I have no faith in them
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Now we are cooking!

The only thing I want to know about the killer bee set up is if the piping diameter will match my rotated uppipe diameter of 2 inches? If so, ETS just lost another sale from weird sizing

User, did the header match the a pipe? Because ETS is saying that the opening for the flange is 2.26 but I canít seem to find a single up pipe that would actually meet to that without creating a bottle neck. And if the size that they gave me is incorrect, I have no faith in them
My IAG rotated up pipe is 2.36Ē so the shop had to make a 2.25 to 2.36Ē V band connection
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Old 07-26-2021, 11:20 PM   #147
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My IAG rotated up pipe is 2.36Ē so the shop had to make a 2.25 to 2.36Ē V band connection
Gotcha. So it didnít match yours either. Iím probably going to go with the killer B diy rotated header kit and do a fog light mount or headlight mount if I cant find anything that matches. I want to get rid of my ugly hks el headers for something more modern for when I upgrade to a 6766
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Old 07-26-2021, 11:27 PM   #148
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Gotcha. So it didnít match yours either. Iím probably going to go with the killer B diy rotated header kit and do a fog light mount or headlight mount if I cant find anything that matches. I want to get rid of my ugly hks el headers for something more modern for when I upgrade to a 6766
KillerB 4-1 header absolutely destroys tomei/hks type of 4-2-1 headers. Itís not even close

https://www.iwsti.com/threads/killerb-vs-tomei-el-header-dyno-results.322182/
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Old 07-27-2021, 05:20 PM   #149
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KillerB 4-1 header absolutely destroys tomei/hks type of 4-2-1 headers. Itís not even close

https://www.iwsti.com/threads/killerb-vs-tomei-el-header-dyno-results.322182/
Oh I know haha. The hks were a budget buy for my stock turbo setup. Mine appear to be 4-1 though as they are equal length and have a single merge point
I wonder if Killer B will have a max VE rotated diy kit soon? Because whenever I buy some thing and a new version comes out a week later I get so depressed about it lol. And the reason why I want a DIY kit is because I donít want to have to deal with matching an up pipe to a header flange headache I am currently dealing with and I can place the turbo wherever I feel, fog light, headlight, or the traditional rotated location.
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Old 07-28-2021, 06:42 PM   #150
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KillerB 4-1 header absolutely destroys tomei/hks type of 4-2-1 headers. Itís not even close

https://www.iwsti.com/threads/killer...esults.322182/
The Tomei 4-2-1 headers are designed for a different power band. Probably better around 550whp and lower. Much like the Cosworth and Subaru OEM NA intake, they are great at much higher power levels, but not so much at lower levels.
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