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Old 07-31-2021, 05:58 PM   #376
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It's still called the WRX. And it has gotten bigger.

Oh and who won the championship in what car last year?





Cool story, what’s your point? The Subaru rally team won it like the previous 10 years in a row or something. As I said, what works for you is not necessarily what the majority would want. The majority don’t want an egg on wheels.
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McKenna won last year because his team began racing right away in the season while Pastrana's team were expecting to catch up a few races later, but then COVID happened. It's all documented on their channel. They ended the season okay despite that setback, plus Pastrana's STI burning to the ground and adding a rookie driver to the team.

I'm hoping the STI is more separated from the WRX partially so the rally team has an even cooler car to utilize. Plus maybe we'll get another dope Isle of Mann video out of it? And then, of course, there's Gymkhana.
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Old 07-31-2021, 07:38 PM   #378
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Except Rally America..

Just because it’s in WRC, doesn’t mean it’s the “type” of rally car that everyone would want to drive or that screams rally car to them. I’m sorry but a Ford Fiesta or Hyundai Veloster aren’t want I think of when you say rally car to me, yet there they are…
Dude first you need to really calm down. Second, he’s talking about the body style man, not specifically a Hyundai or Ford. Rally cars are hatches, not big bloated overweight sedans. That was his point. Subaru keeps talking “rally” this and that, and it’s complete bs.

I do want a hatch, you know what this car is supposed to be inspired by, a rally car. Sedans are for 80 year old men.
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Oh and here is this. WRXFAN, a la Matt Moran, in his weekly update, seems as disturbed as many here over two things***8230;.the lame redline and the body cladding. So much in fact, he had to drink likka on camera. "Trying to make the WRX into a crossover." Bout sums it up.

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Old 07-31-2021, 08:56 PM   #380
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the fact that they are driving the wrx in a desert somewhere probably means we're getting a wrx overlanding edition
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Old 07-31-2021, 09:07 PM   #381
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Oh and here is this. WRXFAN, a la Matt Moran, in his weekly update, seems as disturbed as many here over two things***8230;.the lame redline and the body cladding. So much in fact, he had to drink likka on camera. "Trying to make the WRX into a crossover." Bout sums it up.

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https://youtu.be/AHy9XdN-k2Q
Does he have a login here? I figured he did with his old Youtube account name.
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Oh and here is this. WRXFAN, a la Matt Moran, in his weekly update, seems as disturbed as many here over two things***8230;.the lame redline and the body cladding. So much in fact, he had to drink likka on camera. "Trying to make the WRX into a crossover." Bout sums it up.

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https://youtu.be/AHy9XdN-k2Q
Haa haa Crosstek Sedan. Looks like Matt has been reading our comments. I like how Matt takes sips of the whiskey with closed lips.

Yep, the 2022 WRX will be a failure before it's even introduced. BTW, I put money down on the emergency refresh.
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Cool story, what’s your point? The Subaru rally team won it like the previous 10 years in a row or something. As I said, what works for you is not necessarily what the majority would want. The majority don’t want an egg on wheels.
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I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying there were no egg on wheels competing in Rally America. My bad. But you are correct, the majority don't want an egg on wheels. Which is what I'm saying about Subaru still talking about rally cars. Vermont Sports Car turning water into wine is getting more and more difficult with each generation. Those guys are damn amazing.
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Uh...RA/ARA Open class championship has been Subaru's to lose for many years. They are the only "professional/works/factory" team in the class. But they have still lost it a couple times, L'Estage back in the day (Evo X), and recently McKenna (Fiesta 1.6 WRC & Fabia R5) have won the championship. But there is no other team of the caliber of VTSC with the resources that they have. The closest was Block for a few years when he had his 2L Fiesta before rallycross became a thing.

That said, they're really on the back foot the last couple years against McKenna, which is good for helping show that boats belong on the water and hatchbacks belong in the woods.

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There's no questioning their dominance in the sport. But it's their sport. No other entity has challenged them on equal footing. Which is bad for the sport. But since Subaru is the sport no foul.

I will say anyone who can pilot a school bus around snags and off camber jumps should win on default. Having an extra 30 inches over the competition to maneuver and bang around is a handicap not an asset. If fitting some rear facing carseats and crash dummies were part of the rules, ok maybe. lol
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If fitting some rear facing carseats and crash dummies were part of the rules, ok maybe. lol
That is the rules for sale, for this car, now. Unfortunately it’s the reality. I’m all for it if the STi was going to be the halo or performance variant via hatch, coupe, anything but the bloated sedan. But there are far too many who would easily choose a bigger car, bigger rear seat area, for rear facing car seats than people who want a pure AWD performance car for an affordable price. They want to fit multiple children in the back, with easy access, + have enough room to buy IKEA furniture and bring it home. If you read that back you’d think minivan, SUV, full size truck. Nah, they want these “features” in a WRX. I mean it’s a joke at this point. Legacy sized with the exact Ascent/Outback motor. They couldn’t even be bothered to hoss it up some. F’in bean counters + a no taste USDM = doom.

There must be some unwritten bs in the halls of mfr’s HQ’s that state that only RWD can be a small(er) car, lighter car, etc. If it’s AWD oh my it needs to be a family truckster. Perhaps that is what they are doing. Making the WRX into the new Legacy GT. What is funny is a very large % of our car market now is lift kit hatchbacks. Lift kit hatch, instant sale. No lift kit, no sale? Horrible S. When WRXFAN is drinking likka on camera, it’s all gone Pete Tong. Someone mentioned boat above, lmao. I own a supercharged PWC. It’s 818 lbs dude. The 21’ Yamaha wake boat I want seats 10 and weighs 3,761 pounds. Most “performance” cars now weigh as much as that boat I want, or MORE! That’s really sad. I think the current WRX already porks out at 3500 pounds with automatic, eyesight, etc. So like for like this new one will weigh as much as that boat. I’ll be curious to see how much lighter the GR Yaris Circuit Pack is than the new WRX. Will it be 750 pounds lighter, 800 pounds lighter, or even more? Inquiring minds wanna know!
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Uh...RA/ARA Open class championship has been Subaru's to lose for many years. They are the only "professional/works/factory" team in the class. But they have still lost it a couple times, L'Estage back in the day (Evo X), and recently McKenna (Fiesta 1.6 WRC & Fabia R5) have won the championship. But there is no other team of the caliber of VTSC with the resources that they have. The closest was Block for a few years when he had his 2L Fiesta before rallycross became a thing.

That said, they're really on the back foot the last couple years against McKenna, which is good for helping show that boats belong on the water and hatchbacks belong in the woods.
In 1997 msport became ford wrc. in 2006 vsc took over from prodrive. I think you are mistaken to think vsc has any advantages. Also hatchbacks are for groceries
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MSport isn't fielding a team in ARA, privateers are running old spec MSport cars modified for the """ruleset"""
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Dude first you need to really calm down. Second, he’s talking about the body style man, not specifically a Hyundai or Ford. Rally cars are hatches, not big bloated overweight sedans. That was his point. Subaru keeps talking “rally” this and that, and it’s complete bs.

I do want a hatch, you know what this car is supposed to be inspired by, a rally car. Sedans are for 80 year old men.
Dood…I know he’s talking about body styles…read back, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t, hence why you seem to not comprehend my responses if you think I was just talking about Ford or Hyundai.

Riiiight, sedans are for 80 year old men, that’s why Buick and Lincoln are just absolutely dominating the sedan segment hahahahahaha you’re delusional
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Is there still a sedan segment? I thought manufacturers were either entirely nixing their sedans or dwindling their offerings?

Also I thought the hatchback was popular in motorsports because of the lower CoG and ease of rotation due to less overhang, which is how Subaru was convinced to develop the GV STI? Unfortunately Subaru's stuck with people viewing the STI as sedan-only and anything with the "STI" logo can only have a turbo.
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Is there still a sedan segment? I thought manufacturers were either entirely nixing their sedans or dwindling their offerings?

Also I thought the hatchback was popular in motorsports because of the lower CoG and ease of rotation due to less overhang, which is how Subaru was convinced to develop the GV STI? Unfortunately Subaru's stuck with people viewing the STI as sedan-only and anything with the "STI" logo can only have a turbo.
Most German cars I see are sedans. Obviously if you live in Frostballs, Montana you’re not seeing a single sedan. But come to Miami or LA or other big cities.
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the still pics seem to show analog gauges is it possible the unpainted black pieces and analog gauges show a base wrx, and premium and higher trims are full LCD gauges and the unpainted pieces on the base trim switch to matching the body color in order to differentiate the trims and allow for a pricing difference
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But what about economy cars, where Subaru directly competes? Your statement suggests that sedans are luxury items. So what business does an STI (or even WRX, for that matter) have being a sedan, when their roots are in rally and rally cars today aren't sedans?
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But what about economy cars, where Subaru directly competes? Your statement suggests that sedans are luxury items. So what business does an STI (or even WRX, for that matter) have being a sedan, when their roots are in rally and rally cars today aren't sedans?
is that a response to post above mine
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But what about economy cars, where Subaru directly competes? Your statement suggests that sedans are luxury items. So what business does an STI (or even WRX, for that matter) have being a sedan, when their roots are in rally and rally cars today aren't sedans?
The STI is the “luxury” Subaru car. It’s its halo car. Furthermore, I had originally responded to 4turbo, by stating that because WRC has little hatches it doesn’t mean that’s the one and only style a rally car NEEDS to be…hence why I referenced Rally America where the sedan STI still competes just fine..amongst other rally tournaments around the world. My problem is with someone getting their panties in a bunch because Subaru bills this as the “rally legend continues”….so fking what? What’s wrong with that statement? #1 it is a rally legend from that era when Subaru was in WRC and #2, sedan rally cars still compete currently and are successful…. Furthermore, if you want your rally car to be a small 3door egg then go and get your Hyundai Veloster N or whatever or Ford Fiesta, it’s not indicative of what the majority of people want.
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Dude first you need to really calm down. Second, he’s talking about the body style man, not specifically a Hyundai or Ford. Rally cars are hatches, not big bloated overweight sedans. That was his point. Subaru keeps talking “rally” this and that, and it’s complete bs.

I do want a hatch, you know what this car is supposed to be inspired by, a rally car. Sedans are for 80 year old men.





Weeelllllll......and I'm just poking here.......99.9% of Subaru's rally history, the car was a sedan, eh? Soooo, what's the inspiration? Their attempt at a hatch rally car saw them having to change out the rear suspension design altogether; and, was pretty much a failure when they couldn't win anything.....leading to a decision to leave the sport(along with other factors).




Still with you though in the fact they should have options......especially when one actually exists.
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But what about economy cars, where Subaru directly competes? Your statement suggests that sedans are luxury items. So what business does an STI (or even WRX, for that matter) have being a sedan, when their roots are in rally and rally cars today aren't sedans?
Luxurious like a Honda Civic sedan?
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To be fair, the cars you can buy at the dealer that aren't sedans also don't have AWD. And apparently where the Veloster N is concerned the DCT is the more engaging, better-performing car.

Subaru is gonna sell their WRX and STI regardless of how they look simply because there aren't any options. Being able to rally them is just bonus content.
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I believe the brand new elantra N despite being FWD may try to upend the wrx. striking looks, 6MT, turbo 4.
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The STI is the “luxury” Subaru car. It’s its halo car. Furthermore, I had originally responded to 4turbo, by stating that because WRC has little hatches it doesn’t mean that’s the one and only style a rally car NEEDS to be…hence why I referenced Rally America where the sedan STI still competes just fine..amongst other rally tournaments around the world. My problem is with someone getting their panties in a bunch because Subaru bills this as the “rally legend continues”….so fking what? What’s wrong with that statement? #1 it is a rally legend from that era when Subaru was in WRC and #2, sedan rally cars still compete currently and are successful…. Furthermore, if you want your rally car to be a small 3door egg then go and get your Hyundai Veloster N or whatever or Ford Fiesta, it’s not indicative of what the majority of people want.
The majority of people want lame @$$ CUV’s so what the majority of people want is lame anyhow. A completely stupid argument. Subaru made WRX hatchbacks from 2002-2014 and they sold quite well. The sedans sell because there is no choice.

Rally is WRC. WRC = hatchbacks. Nobody gives a damn about Rally America or any other wannabe rally competition. WRC is the world competition for rally driving not some lame offspring. Rally driving is through forests, narrow gaps, where you need less rear overhang and compact cars. Not a bloated sedan. Hey maybe Subaru will help start some new American Rally bs where they rally a WRX to the drive thrus, set timers to see how fast people can secure down car seats, and IKEA furniture.

The American car market is completely lame, full of CUV’s. We need to take lessons from Europe and get some cool offerings that aren’t cars designed for 80 year old men.
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