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Old 02-20-2008, 10:38 AM   #176
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Thank you for posting this.
I've gave up on LGT.com a long time ago.
Ditto

Joined when my wife got a Leggy, I found it to be a slightly more childish version of here.

If you want the real scoop go to SubaruForester.org

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Old 02-20-2008, 11:14 AM   #177
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WORD! Been there, done that girlfriend.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:38 PM   #178
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Why does Subaru offer no sport wagons anymore. Where is someone like me supposed to go when I want a wagon, not an SUV or pseudo-SUV like what Subaru currently offers?
The 2008 STI is a station wagon, acoording to my insurance company. That's probably part of the reason that my monthly premium would only be $20 more moving from an eight year old S-10 pickup to a brand new STI.

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Old 02-20-2008, 12:54 PM   #179
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What are you talking about? Each car has several thousands parts, each with it's own part number. Times all cars, present and past, it's many thusands parts. Few hundred part numbers for accessories/options do not make a difference.
True, plus there is no need to stock every part at every dealer. Rarely-needed parts can be on a special-order basis.
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Old 02-20-2008, 01:07 PM   #180
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I have to say that a lot of things come down to the logistics of inventorying etc. Think of it this way, if you want 1 extra after market part, that's 400+ dealers that would need to carry them. Subaru isn't a HUGE company and therefore can't afford to stock a wide array of things.
I understand this concept, but I don't understand how the much smaller Europe and Australia markets (even Singapore/Hong Kong) can do it while the much larger SOA can't make the numbers work.
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Old 02-20-2008, 01:09 PM   #181
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can someone post the chart of where impreza/wrx owners are supposed to go?? its the chart with the arrows from the wrx to legacy, etc..
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Old 02-20-2008, 01:19 PM   #182
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It seems like the first thing everyone wants from an official spokesperson is their favorite accessory from somewhere else immediately brought over here (with no excuses).
I think that's directed at me. I'm certainly not asking SOA Blog to "bring me a deep cargo tray, pronto!" I was offering my experience as a specific example, which I stated in my post.

What I do want is to know why we have fewer accessories available in the large US market than in smaller markets elsewhere (besides items that may cost more to certify for US safety/emissions/economy standards than would cost to certify for Europe or Australia. I get that part. ).
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:36 PM   #183
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As for the deep Outback tray, I have not seen this, but these trays are expensive to tool and to develop two would be very costly. Our shallow tray works for wet things like ski boots, garden stuff, frozen food (condensation), etc. The shallow tray does not get in the way if you fold down the back seat. And, it is easy to store (roll it up or flat) in the garage.
Didn't really mean to get into the specifics of the cargo trays, but... Yes, the shallow tray works for some things and offers more flexibility if you fold down the rear seat. However, the only way to store the shallow tray without warping it is to lay it flat, which takes up the same amount of space as the deep tray. If you store the shallow tray rolled up, it'll never lie flat in the cargo area again.

Subaru's deep tray (also works w/Legacy wagon, plus there's one made for Forester) offers much more protection, covering the sides of the cargo area and the back of the rear seats. With the shallow tray, gardeners who haul anything larger than a flat of perennials end up with muddy pots against the cloth and carpet in the cargo area. I was bringing home a few bags of sand (stacked in the back of the cargo area to keep the extra weight over the rear axle). Several bags of sand split en route, and guess where the sand went... overflowed the shallow tray and down through the sides and center split of the rear seatback, continuing its path onto the rear seatcushion and down in between the cushion and seatback, falling in the LATCH holes and seatbelt recesses. I'm sure there's still sand in there. Ever since, I've been trying to get that deep cargo tray.

Switching topics, folks here need to understand that unclemat's favorite Subaru was discontinued in the US, so of course he's gonna be frustrated about it. He could've just given up on the brand. Subaru's fortunate to have such passionate owners. Can you imagine how the folks here on NASIOC would howl and "whine" if SOA decided to stop offering the WRX or STI? I never owned a Legacy wagon, but think that in GT form it was perhaps the quintessential Subaru, offering passenger-car safety and handling, sportiness and utility in an "anti-SUV" form. Even though I didn't own one, as a Subaru "fan" I can see its loss is worth mourning.
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Old 02-20-2008, 02:47 PM   #184
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The 2008 STI is a station wagon, acoording to my insurance company. That's probably part of the reason that my monthly premium would only be $20 more moving from an eight year old S-10 pickup to a brand new STI.

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I got quoted 3x what I'm currently paying for my 9yo 2.5RS (which is already overpriced) for an '08 WRX 'hatch'.

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Old 02-20-2008, 02:52 PM   #185
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I understand this concept, but I don't understand how the much smaller Europe and Australia markets (even Singapore/Hong Kong) can do it while the much larger SOA can't make the numbers work.
Look at the prices those overseas distributors have to charge in order to do it and still make a profit. SOA is already losing money and has judged that Americans aren't yet willing to pay those kinds of prices.
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Old 02-20-2008, 03:06 PM   #186
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Look at the prices those overseas distributors have to charge in order to do it and still make a profit. SOA is already losing money and has judged that Americans aren't yet willing to pay those kinds of prices.

You are absolutely correct.

There are some of us that appreciate the quality of factory parts and accessories, but we are far outnumbered by the guys that are putting brand-x parts on the car. As I said in an earlier post there is a way to order non US parts through a US dealer, however the way SOA currently handles it is somewhat flawed.

If SOA blog wants to hear my thoughts on this just say yes
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Old 02-20-2008, 03:14 PM   #187
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Our view is that while we don't offer everything you can find in other markets, we generally offer more genuine accessories than the other importers. Compared to other markets, we do offer what you might class as traditional aftermarket items that are better served by such as Pep Boys. This is because we could never get the quality we need and 3/36 warranty at a competitive price. So we leave it to the aftermarket. In some countries, there is a less developed aftermarket. And, remember, as a subsidiary (most other markets are independent distributors) we are more beholding to FHI quality standards etc. Add that to the other points about legal issues, warranty and crash test and you pretty much have where we are. Like I say, we can't make everyone happy, but we try to make most people happy, most of the time, at a reasonable price.
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Old 02-20-2008, 03:39 PM   #188
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It's funny, but a rumor is made more believable if it's something you want to hear.

People hear 260hp and suddenly there is a suspension of disbelief.

I bet the same people bought the fake Corvette Blue Devil photos hook, line, and sinker:

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/01/r...-winding-road/

Think about it, folks.

The flagship Tribeca makes 256hp. Do you really think they're going to hurry up and give the mid-line WRX more power than the flagship?

Keep in mind the Tribeca just got a power boost, so changes by MY2010 are very unlikely.
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it was more the faked interview that I was commenting on. Our policy is that we NEVER comment on rumors.. wether right, wrong or indifferent. The reason we do that is... if we only denied what "wasn't" true.. you know what "was" true but us saying "no comment". You see?

So, all speculation comes back from us with "no comment on future product" stamped on it. What we 'will' clear up is wether we have announced something or not. So you might post a comment that says: "SOA has announced SOA Blog is getting a pay rise" and I would have to say "sadly, no we haven't..." . We are here to to clarify what we have and haven't said - and Tim Mahoney never said no such thing no how.
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It's one thing to start a rumor. It's quite another thing to perpetrate a hoax with a completely fabricated interview with an SOA executive, a type of libel.

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Think about it, folks.

The flagship Tribeca makes 256hp. Do you really think they're going to hurry up and give the mid-line WRX more power than the flagship?
Think about this: Nobody interested in buying a new Tribeca cares a whit about how much power the WRX has, and vice versa.
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The Blue Devil thing was a hoax, too.

And that only reinforces my point. People believed it because they wanted to, it was exciting.

"A WRX with 260hp, wow, how exciting!"

It's not going to happen.
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Old 02-20-2008, 05:39 PM   #192
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It's not so much the power that the car has, it's the way it gets delivered.

In the old car it was a sudden rush of power, in the new one it is subtle but faster.

Personally I'll take faster anyday
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Keep the great questions coming! Also, keep posting the free business advice, it keeps getting funnier every we read it over here. You guys are hilarious!
ok, soa biog... nice one. Mods, take note...


To the real soa bLog- your name doesn't happen to start with a J, does it???
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Old 02-20-2008, 06:05 PM   #194
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ok, soa biog... nice one. Mods, take note...


To the real soa bLog- your name doesn't happen to start with a J, does it???
I think they mentioned that they were different people, not just a single entity. They are Anonymous. They are Legion. They Do not forgive. They Do not Forget.............

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I got quoted 3x what I'm currently paying for my 9yo 2.5RS (which is already overpriced) for an '08 WRX 'hatch'.
I'm not sure what my increase would be on a percentage basis, because I have the S-10, my Corvette and the house all on one payment.

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SOA Blog,

I have a few questions/comments, and I know you can't answer some of them, but it's nice to know someone at SOA will see them haha.

1) Owners of the STI or even WRX that want to upgrade to a larger sedan with similar performance only have the option of a BMW 335xi or an Audi S4. Why? The Legacy GT Spec.B is more expensive than the LGT but it does not offer better performance. Legacy GT STI might be a good idea...

2) Why in the world does the Navigation and Sirius package on the 2008 WRX include ALL premium package features EXCEPT for the 10 speakers? My Navi has the ability to adjust the Center channel, and yet I do not have one. Movies are not heard properly because they are designed to send voices through the Center and music/background through the normal speakers. If I paid for all Premium Package features (there are TWO 2008 WRX's in my family) why did I get jipped on the speakers? I know the wattage is less, but still. It isn't right.
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Look at the prices those overseas distributors have to charge in order to do it and still make a profit. SOA is already losing money and has judged that Americans aren't yet willing to pay those kinds of prices.
Also look at the size and distances involved and the size of the dealer network in those other countries, combined with the prices that people pay, not only for the accessories, but the cars themselves. ALOT more than here.

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SOA Blog,

I have a few questions/comments, and I know you can't answer some of them, but it's nice to know someone at SOA will see them haha.

1) Owners of the STI or even WRX that want to upgrade to a larger sedan with similar performance only have the option of a BMW 335xi or an Audi S4. Why? The Legacy GT Spec.B is more expensive than the LGT but it does not offer better performance. Legacy GT STI might be a good idea...

2) Why in the world does the Navigation and Sirius package on the 2008 WRX include ALL premium package features EXCEPT for the 10 speakers? My Navi has the ability to adjust the Center channel, and yet I do not have one. Movies are not heard properly because they are designed to send voices through the Center and music/background through the normal speakers. If I paid for all Premium Package features (there are TWO 2008 WRX's in my family) why did I get jipped on the speakers? I know the wattage is less, but still. It isn't right.
To answer #1, next year you will see a larger (A6 sized) Legacy with a 3.6L ~300hp motor NA and possibly a 3.6Lt ~375hp and 6MT or CVT options. Would that be enough for yah?

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Yes. But we know it won't happen.
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