Formula 1 2023

[hi5.0]

Wish DR the best of luck driving the Alpha Tractor for the rest of the season. Looks like RB is playing games with their drivers and this may be DR's chance to get a shot at the 2nd spot at RB or risk not racing in a F1 car again if he declines. At least from what has been mentioned on several videos about the topic anyways...

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[dwf137]

I don't see RB giving DR a shot again. He and Max didn't get along on track before, I doubt that's going to change, although Max has seemed to grow up a bit. If DR can keep performing, I feel like there's plenty of mid-field spots for him. Maybe replacing Sargent, who I imagine will find himself without a contract at the end of the year. Although he doesn't seem to do well in the mid-field. But I don't see them taking the 2nd seat from Checo as long as he keeps putting up decent numbers on track. He does really need to change his qualifying luck though.

[torquemada]

I see it a little differently: Ricciardo left RB because RB has concentrated on Verstappen and he felt like he wasn´t loved enough anymore. Verstappen did not have a problem with Ricciardo, but Verstappen has a problem with Perez.

Ricciardo driving for AT is good for RB on many levels:
- is Ricciardo as good as his first RB days, or is he still as bad as his McLaren days
- with Ricciardo as benchmark, how good or bad is Tsunoda
- if Ricciardo shows a killer perfomance he will be back in the second RB seat, and Tsunoda will be the next guy who loses his seat because there is no need for RB to care for Honda wishing an asian guy

[MrH]

Tsunoda will be AM problem.
Unless Honda has some one else in the pipeline.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by torquemada

I see it a little differently: Ricciardo left RB because RB has concentrated on Verstappen and he felt like he wasn´t loved enough anymore. Verstappen did not have a problem with Ricciardo, but Verstappen has a problem with Perez.

Ricciardo driving for AT is good for RB on many levels:
- is Ricciardo as good as his first RB days, or is he still as bad as his McLaren days
- with Ricciardo as benchmark, how good or bad is Tsunoda
- if Ricciardo shows a killer perfomance he will be back in the second RB seat, and Tsunoda will be the next guy who loses his seat because there is no need for RB to care for Honda wishing an asian guy

The only tussle between Max and Checo is when Max is behind. Austria lap 1 this year was like a clear rinse and repeat of the DR/Max issue at Baku. Max doesn't like to be second on the team. He wants to be in front. He needs a driver that's okay with being second. Checo seems to be cool with that, but he's also not going to go limp just because Max is a big crybaby. If he's in the lead, Max needs to earn it back. Honestly, I think they make a great pair, and it seems like RB does too. The Austria incident seemed to blow over a bit better than the Baku incident which basically forced DR to leave RB.

DR at AT is a great move for RB no doubt. They need a better baseline on what the AT car is capable of, but at the same time, we've seen that DR can really struggle in a less-than-competitive car. DR struggles when he's stuck in the mid-field, but the AT is likely going to be bottom of the pack, not even mid-field. Hopefully he's had a mindset change and doesn't flop like he did at renault or mclaren. DR can drive a fast car fast, but history has proven that he can't drive a mediocre car fast, so we'll see. This weekend should be interesting.

[dwf137]

Checo hitting walls, Yuki driving faster than DR. Fun practice session.

[torquemada]

Lewis "felt like the car at its worst" Hamilton wins qualifying, Russell with rookie mistake, Sainz and Perez still the disappointments they are, McLaren solid, Alonso and Aston losing their mojo, Hülkenberg knows that he will pound sand on sunday, Williams back to reality, Ricciardo nearly a second faster than Tsunoda

[MrH]

Times from today's qualifying session for the Qatar Airways Hungarian Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1 Hamilton Mercedes 1:16.609 127.906 mph
2 Verstappen Red Bull 1:16.612 0.003
3 Norris McLaren 1:16.694 0.085
4 Piastri McLaren 1:16.905 0.296
5 Zhou Alfa Romeo 1:16.971 0.362
6 Leclerc Ferrari 1:16.992 0.383
7 Bottas Alfa Romeo 1:17.034 0.425
8 Alonso Aston Martin 1:17.035 0.426
9 Perez Red Bull 1:17.045 0.436
10 Hulkenberg Haas 1:17.186 0.577
11 Sainz Ferrari 1:17.703
12 Ocon Alpine 1:17.841
13 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 1:18.002
14 Stroll Aston Martin 1:18.144
15 Gasly Alpine 1:18.217
16 Albon Williams 1:18.917
17 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1:18.919
18 Russell Mercedes 1:19.027
19 Magnussen Haas 1:19.206
20 Sargeant Williams 1:19.248

[saska]

Originally Posted by MrH

Times from today's qualifying session for the Qatar Airways Hungarian Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1 Hamilton Mercedes 1:16.609 127.906 mph
2 Verstappen Red Bull 1:16.612 0.003
3 Norris McLaren 1:16.694 0.085
4 Piastri McLaren 1:16.905 0.296
5 Zhou Alfa Romeo 1:16.971 0.362
6 Leclerc Ferrari 1:16.992 0.383
7 Bottas Alfa Romeo 1:17.034 0.425
8 Alonso Aston Martin 1:17.035 0.426
9 Perez Red Bull 1:17.045 0.436
10 Hulkenberg Haas 1:17.186 0.577
11 Sainz Ferrari 1:17.703
12 Ocon Alpine 1:17.841
13 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 1:18.002
14 Stroll Aston Martin 1:18.144
15 Gasly Alpine 1:18.217
16 Albon Williams 1:18.917
17 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1:18.919
18 Russell Mercedes 1:19.027
19 Magnussen Haas 1:19.206
20 Sargeant Williams 1:19.248

what a qualify session. I really enjoyed watching.
it's nice to see Hamilton in pole position.
I hope for a good race

[MrH]

Zhou must of fallen asleep at the start. He caused both Alpine to take each other out.
Lewis got swamped at the start by Max and the McLarens.

[torquemada]

Originally Posted by saska

I hope for a good race

it´s Hungary and dry, so

[MrH]

Result of the Qatar Airways Hungarian Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 70 1h 38:08.634
2 Norris McLaren 70 + 0:33.731
3 Perez Red Bull 70 + 0:37.603
4 Hamilton Mercedes 70 + 0:39.134
5 Piastri McLaren 70 + 1:02.572
6 Russell Mercedes 70 + 1:05.825
7 Leclerc Ferrari 70 + 1:10.317
8 Sainz Ferrari 70 + 1:11.073
9 Alonso Aston Martin 70 + 1:15.709
10 Stroll Aston Martin 69 + 1 Lap
11 Albon Williams 69 + 1 Lap
12 Bottas Alfa Romeo 69 + 1 Lap
13 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 69 + 1 Lap
14 Hulkenberg Haas 69 + 1 Lap
15 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 69 + 1 Lap
16 Zhou Alfa Romeo 69 + 1 Lap
17 Magnussen Haas 69 + 1 Lap
18 Sargeant Williams 67 Retired
19 Ocon Alpine 2 Accident Damage
20 Gasly Alpine 1 Accident Damage

Fastest Lap: Verstappen (Red Bull) 1:20.504 (Lap 53)

Another snooze win by Max
Good recovery by Checo
Is McLaren now the 2nd best team ?
Good 1st race by Riccardo after the 1st corner crash. Beats Tsnoda.
Ever since Alonso shot his mouth off about fiinishing on the podium in every race, he failed to get the podium in the last 4 out of 5 races.
After 5 years Haas still can't figure out their tire issues.

[dwf137]

Checo's race was really fun to watch. He's gotta figure out his quali issues but I really can't see RB moving on from him.

Ricciardo had an okay race. I'm sure he was glad to be ahead of Yuki, but he was down in the lower 5 almost the whole race. Okay for a first outing but imo he needs to get into the points next weekend.

Really impressed with the new McLaren. Both drivers killing it.

Will HAAS ever get things sorted? They're decent, just can't keep it up for a full race.

[parker]

Haas is reminding me more and more of Jordan.

[torquemada]

Verstappen eight tenths ahead of everyone else, starting from sixth place on sunday

[dwf137]

such is life. he'll be back in first within the first few laps no doubt. Checo and Leclerc have been my favorite drivers, excited to see them both on the front row.

It was fun to watch max almost not make it out of q2. Not that I dislike him and want to see him lose, but more that it's fun to see a shakeup.

Would have been interesting to see how well Ricciardo would have faired if he didn't get his lap time deleted, he put up a pretty good one.

Should be a wet sprint race tomorrow, always makes things interesting.

[MrH]

Times from today's qualifying session for the MSC Cruises Belgian Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Time Gap

2 Leclerc Ferrari 1:46.988 0.820
3 Perez Red Bull 1:47.045 0.877
4 Hamilton Mercedes 1:47.087 0.919
5 Sainz Ferrari 1:47.152 0.984
1 Verstappen Red Bull 1:46.168 147.570 mph
6 Piastri McLaren 1:47.365 1.197
7 Norris McLaren 1:47.669 1.501
8 Russell Mercedes 1:47.805 1.637
9 Alonso Aston Martin 1:47.843 1.675
10 Stroll Aston Martin 1:48.841 2.673
11 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1:53.148
12 Gasly Alpine 1:53.671
13 Magnussen Haas 1:54.160
14 Bottas Alfa Romeo 1:54.694
15 Ocon Alpine 1:56.372
16 Albon Williams 2:00.314
17 Zhou Alfa Romeo 2:00.832
18 Sargeant Williams 2:01.535
19 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 2:02.159
20 Hulkenberg Haas 2:03.166

[torquemada]

[MrH]

Result of the MSC Cruises Belgian Grand Prix Sprint.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 11 24:58.433
2 Piastri McLaren 11 + 0:06.677
3 Gasly Alpine 11 + 0:10.733
4 Sainz Ferrari 11 + 0:12.648
5 Leclerc Ferrari 11 + 0:15.016
6 Norris McLaren 11 + 0:16.052
7 Hamilton Mercedes 11 + 0:16.757
8 Russell Mercedes 11 + 0:16.822
9 Ocon Alpine 11 + 0:22.410
10 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 11 + 0:22.806
11 Stroll Aston Martin 11 + 0:25.007
12 Albon Williams 11 + 0:26.303
13 Bottas Alfa Romeo 11 + 0:27.006
14 Magnussen Haas 11 + 0:32.986
15 Zhou Alfa Romeo 11 + 0:36.342
16 Sargeant Williams 11 + 0:37.571
17 Hulkenberg Haas 11 + 0:37.827
18 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 11 + 0:39.267
Perez Red Bull 8 Accident Damage
Alonso Aston Martin 2 Accident

[MrH]

Result of the MSC Cruises Belgian Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 44 1h 22:30.450
2 Perez Red Bull 44 + 0:22.305
3 Leclerc Ferrari 44 + 0:32.259
4 Hamilton Mercedes 44 + 0:49.671
5 Alonso Aston Martin 44 + 0:56.184
6 Russell Mercedes 44 + 1:03.101
7 Norris McLaren 44 + 1:13.719
8 Ocon Alpine 44 + 1:14.719
9 Stroll Aston Martin 44 + 1:19.340
10 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 44 + 1:20.221
11 Gasly Alpine 44 + 1:23.084
12 Bottas Alfa Romeo 44 + 1:25.191
13 Zhou Alfa Romeo 44 + 1:35.441
14 Albon Williams 44 + 1:36.184
15 Magnussen Haas 44 + 1:41.754
16 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 44 + 1:43.071
17 Sargeant Williams 44 + 1:44.476
18 Hulkenberg Haas 44 + 1:50.450
Sainz Ferrari 23 Accident Damage
Piastri McLaren 0 Accident Damage

Fastest Lap: Hamilton (Mercedes) 1:47.305 (Lap 44)

Max starts 5th and still blows every one away.

[torquemada]

Originally Posted by MrH

Result of the MSC Cruises Belgian Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 44 1h 22:30.450
2 Perez Red Bull 44 + 0:22.305
3 Leclerc Ferrari 44 + 0:32.259
4 Hamilton Mercedes 44 + 0:49.671
5 Alonso Aston Martin 44 + 0:56.184
6 Russell Mercedes 44 + 1:03.101
7 Norris McLaren 44 + 1:13.719
8 Ocon Alpine 44 + 1:14.719
9 Stroll Aston Martin 44 + 1:19.340
10 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 44 + 1:20.221
11 Gasly Alpine 44 + 1:23.084
12 Bottas Alfa Romeo 44 + 1:25.191
13 Zhou Alfa Romeo 44 + 1:35.441
14 Albon Williams 44 + 1:36.184
15 Magnussen Haas 44 + 1:41.754
16 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 44 + 1:43.071
17 Sargeant Williams 44 + 1:44.476
18 Hulkenberg Haas 44 + 1:50.450
Sainz Ferrari 23 Accident Damage
Piastri McLaren 0 Accident Damage

Fastest Lap: Hamilton (Mercedes) 1:47.305 (Lap 44)

Max starts 5th and still blows every one away.

6th, and he needed 17 laps before he was the pack leader again, this is not acceptable, he is getting old, and don´t get me started on the fastest lap....RedBull should look for a new No 1

[dwf137]

I loved the banter between GP and Max over the radio. GP was getting feisty.

Ricciardo, floundering around in the bottom of the pack, once again.

[MrH]

Ricciardo out of F1 Dutch GP with injured hand, Lawson to sub.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...rist/10511470/

[hi5.0]

Well now, hoping race results similar to qualifying results. Looks like anyone from P2 - P10 has a good chance of staying close and providing a good race. Probably jinxed it.

[MrH]

Times from today's qualifying session for the Heineken Dutch Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 1:10.567 135.012 mph
2 Norris McLaren 1:11.104 0.537
3 Russell Mercedes 1:11.294 0.727
4 Albon Williams 1:11.419 0.852
5 Alonso Aston Martin 1:11.506 0.939
6 Sainz Ferrari 1:11.754 1.187
7 Perez Red Bull 1:11.880 1.313
8 Piastri McLaren 1:11.938 1.371
9 Leclerc Ferrari 1:12.665 2.098
10 Sargeant Williams 1:16.748 6.181
11 Stroll Aston Martin 1:20.121
12 Gasly Alpine 1:20.128
13 Hamilton Mercedes 1:20.151
14 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1:20.230
15 Hulkenberg Haas 1:20.250
16 Zhou Alfa Romeo 1:22.067
17 Ocon Alpine 1:22.110
18 Magnussen Haas 1:22.192
19 Bottas Alfa Romeo 1:22.260
20 Lawson AlphaTauri 1:23.420