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Old 08-22-2020, 07:05 PM   #51
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The Type S better be SH-AWD only. Will be interesting to see if the "model-exclusive chassis" stays that way for long. IMO if it is good, it would be dumb to not have it scalable for use throughout Acura's lineup to take advantage of the SH-AWD system and the (luxo segment) trend toward AWD all the things.
Might be a misquote; I read somewhere else it's a new Acura-specific platform, but is shared with the new RDX I think?
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Old 09-04-2020, 07:20 AM   #52
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At the end of May of this year, Acura revealed its newest flagship sedan: the 2021 Acura TLX. It rides on a new platform that helps improve front to rear weight distribution and uses a new body that is longer, lower, and wider. It’s also more attractive, trading in a somewhat milquetoast shape for a fastback profile and chiseled features. This all adds up to more legitimacy in the premium sedan market.

And while a premium sedan’s shape is important, what really differentiates premium from mainstream is how the car makes you feel. Of course, how a car drives is paramount, but several other features prove important for a holistically good experience. Things like space, seat comfort, minimal noise vibration and harshness, and quality of the sounds system.

And while still not quite ready for a test drive, Acura wanted to show off its latest creation and parked a 2021 TLX in my driveway for an hour to sit in, poke around and listen to its new audio system. Called the ELS Studio 3D, it’s the highest level of three sound systems offered and uses 16 channels, 17 speakers and 710 watts of power to work. For reference, the base system uses 10 speakers and 350 watts, midgrade ups that to 13 speakers and 550 watts.

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A door speaker of the ELS Studio 3D sound system.

With two subwoofers, four slim speakers mounted around the perimeter of the ceiling, and a smattering of dome tweeters and mid-range speakers, the ELS Studio 3D system has a lot of tools to churn out a wide range of frequencies of sound. And it does so well. If you’re a audiophile, you’ll appreciate the fullness of the music.

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The 3D system delivered crisp sound, good dynamics and depth. It’s easy to hear the subtleties of the different instruments and to get a sense of the music's tone and tenor. There's plenty of low end, too — you can clearly hear bass guitar or straight-up bass. That said, depending on your musical tastes, there are limitations. Some of the harder hitting bass in hip-hop tracks is a little messy, you want to feel it more than hear it. And the highest string notes in classical can get a touch shrieky, but you have to have the volume way up for that to happen.

My hour passed by quite quickly sitting in comfortable seats and a well-isolated cabin, listening to a variety of tunes. I rocked out to Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen and A Day in the Life by The Beatles. Johann Pachelbel Canon in D Major put me in a meditative trance for a few minutes. And none other than ToTo brought me back to childhood with Africa.

Acura looks to have performed well in the TLX's non-driving aspects. It looks and feels premium, as does the quick glance back as you walk away from it. But its biggest challenge is still ahead with how it feels while moving. It starts off with a demerit for retaining a front-wheel-drive based platform. But, based on the specs at least, it looks like the new TLX is an improvement across the board. We’ll share as soon as we get a chance to drive it.
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Old 09-04-2020, 07:27 AM   #53
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...another thousand speed automatic. Yawn
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...another thousand speed automatic. Yawn
Could be worse. At least it doesn't have a CVT.
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...another thousand speed automatic. Yawn
Welcome to the forum. Looking up your posts... don't be another troll on the board here. (We're pretty full up on those).

Of the handful you have, many are of the disparaging kind. The only place where that's tolerated, is OT and Political Playground (subforum of OT).

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Old 09-04-2020, 09:12 AM   #56
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...another thousand speed automatic. Yawn
it's a 10spd auto, that's going to become the norm for torque converted autos; gotta hit those fuel economy targets. In a well programmed one it's not an issue, in a poorly programmed one... doesn't matter if it's 6, 8, 9 or 10; it's going to gear hunt and/or always go for the highest gear possible.

Admittedly, I'm still getting used to an 8spd auto in manual mode; there are situations where I don't drop enough gears because the ratios are so close/there are so many cogs, and I'm used to a 5spd manual; eg. if I'm going to pass angrily on the highway from about 60-65mph I should drop all the way to 3rd (as I would have in my 5spd); moving down there from 8th feels like way too many paddle flicks though. On the up-shift side, to hit 60 I need to shift into third (which previously was accomplished in 2nd); Wish the redline was a few hundred more RPM, can be accomplished with an aftermarket tune, but I'm trying to stay away from modifications as much as I can with this car, Otherwise there will be a ~10k credit car purchase for a supercharger, headers, cat-back & tune, shortly followed by a $250 charge from Dicks/REI for a tent & sleeping bag when my wife kicks me out of the house.

You know what would fix the problem? A MANUAL.
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Old 09-04-2020, 10:28 AM   #57
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At least the Type-S is going to look much nicer than this super sedan.
And by Super, I mean how long it has grown.
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Admittedly, I'm still getting used to an 8spd auto in manual mode; there are situations where I don't drop enough gears because the ratios are so close/there are so many cogs, and I'm used to a 5spd manual; eg. if I'm going to pass angrily on the highway from about 60-65mph I should drop all the way to 3rd (as I would have in my 5spd); moving down there from 8th feels like way too many paddle flicks though. On the up-shift side, to hit 60 I need to shift into third (which previously was accomplished in 2nd); Wish the redline was a few hundred more RPM, can be accomplished with an aftermarket tune, but I'm trying to stay away from modifications as much as I can with this car, Otherwise there will be a ~10k credit car purchase for a supercharger, headers, cat-back & tune, shortly followed by a $250 charge from Dicks/REI for a tent & sleeping bag when my wife kicks me out of the house.

You know what would fix the problem? A MANUAL.

They need to come up with some sort of skip shift logic, where you can drop multiple gears with a single motion. If bicycles can do it, I'm sure a car can.
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Old 09-04-2020, 03:36 PM   #59
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I’m always driving in manual mode in the Supra so my brain is still very active as if I am driving my MT cars. Mutiiple left paddle taps and I am in the right gear as fast as I am in my MT cars.
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Old 09-04-2020, 07:48 PM   #60
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Welcome to the forum. Looking up your posts... don't be another troll on the board here. (We're pretty full up on those).

Of the handful you have, many are of the disparaging kind. The only place where that's tolerated, is OT an Political Playground (subforum of OT).

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Old 09-05-2020, 02:47 PM   #61
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Welcome to the forum. Looking up your posts... don't be another troll on the board here. (We're pretty full up on those).

Of the handful you have, many are of the disparaging kind. The only place where that's tolerated, is OT and Political Playground (subforum of OT).

Try and play nice, we need more of those types of people.

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Hi kC, thanks for the welcome. Not trying to be a troll Im just one of those salty people stuck in the past regarding manual transmissions.

As an aside, I try to be positive. I went back and looked at my posts. Besides venting as a Boston Bruins fan (most recent posts) at how hard they are to be a fan of, I actually try to be pretty positive and a lot of my posts I feel reflect that, but I will keep this in mind.

My wife has an A3 and I dont know exactly how many gears it has, but to me it feels like its just shifting non stop.. Cheers
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The Nine Speed in Tlx V6 sucks big Time.. here is a blurb from CarDriver

Engines, Transmission, and Performance
Likes: Stirring V-6 growl, all-wheel drive improves handling, accurate steering and supple ride.
Dislikes: Transmission is slow to downshift, missing the intangibles that define a true sports sedan.

The standard 206-hp four-cylinder pairs with an eight-speed automatic transmission. This powertrain is offered only with front-wheel drive but includes a rear-wheel-steering system that can turn the rear wheels slightly for improved cornering. The V-6 develops 290 horsepower routed through a nine-speed automatic. The V-6 is available with Acura's Super Handling All-Wheel Drive (SH-AWD) system that can shuttle power to each wheel separately as needed, which improves traction and handling. So equipped, our all-wheel-drive test car promptly responded to all manner of throttle inputs, and an audible growl answered our heavy right foot. Too bad the automatic hesitated to downshift when we called for a quick pass at highway speeds.

Consumer Report + others state the same..

So hopefully this 10 unit addresses the issue. I'm interested getting loved my old Tl the take on the Manual was nill so it ruined for this generation. When get into 9, 10 gears using the manual shift sucks. 6 speed dual clutch in type S would of been nice.

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They need to come up with some sort of skip shift logic, where you can drop multiple gears with a single motion. If bicycles can do it, I'm sure a car can.
like a line or two of code that notices a paddle hold.
If downshift paddle is held lowest possible gear is selected
If upshift paddle is held highest possible gear is selected
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like a line or two of code that notices a paddle hold.
If downshift paddle is held lowest possible gear is selected
If upshift paddle is held highest possible gear is selected
I agree. We're getting to a point where these cars have 10+ gears. Who wants to click the stupid paddle 5+ times to downshift every time you need to pass on the freeway?
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Or just put a max power button under the gas pedal like the DSG in the GTI/Golf-R. Then one just mashes the gas and the car will downshift to the lowest gear in range, full sport/race mode until you let off.

Or you could just leave it in manual mode like me 100% of the time and keep the rev's in the rage where you'd cruise in your MT car (2000-2500RPM range), not cruise at 1100RPM in 8th. Then you won't need to downshift 3 gears, instead downshift 1, maybe 2 at most while thinking ahead as you were driving your MT car. There is no 'delay' because you are already in the proper gear based on your driving experience & assumptions, including the time the car needs to downshift.

People are thinking these AT's are supposed to have AI or something..and yet they complain they want to shift on their own.
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Or just put a max power button under the gas pedal like the DSG in the GTI/Golf-R. Then one just mashes the gas and the car will downshift to the lowest gear in range, full sport/race mode until you let off.

Or you could just leave it in manual mode like me 100% of the time and keep the rev's in the rage where you'd cruise in your MT car (2000-2500RPM range), not cruise at 1100RPM in 8th. Then you won't need to downshift 3 gears, instead downshift 1, maybe 2 at most while thinking ahead as you were driving your MT car. There is no 'delay' because you are already in the proper gear based on your driving experience & assumptions, including the time the car needs to downshift.

People are thinking these AT's are supposed to have AI or something..and yet they complain they want to shift on their own.
The complaint is that you can't skip gears when shifting an auto in manual mode like you can in a manual; you have tap your way from 8th through each gear down to whatever gear you want, where as in a manual you go from 6th to whatever gear in the H pattern.

Let me boil it down for you further; we wouldn't be complaining about and trying to come up with solutions for the auto if a manual were offered, because we'd have the manual and the issues would be non-existent.
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Let me boil it down for you further; we wouldn't be complaining about and trying to come up with solutions for the auto if a manual were offered, because we'd have the manual and the issues would be non-existent.
Let me wake you up to reality.. Honda doesn't care what you want.

So best you learn to live with it.. <= Honda
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Let me wake you up to reality.. Honda doesn't care what you want.

So best you learn to live with it.. <= Honda
Hey Oichan, no manufacturer cares what anyone wants, unless it coincides with their bottom line; that's the trick of it, we have to vote with our wallets or things won't change.

You're welcome to be content with what is currently on offer, the rest of us will continue to discuss possible improvements, and we call all coexist.
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I wish someone would offer an “e clutch” on a conventional manual. So you can pull the transmission out of gear and then into the next one but automate what your left leg would be doing.

That would be a godsend for manual drivers like me with jacked up knees.
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I wish someone would offer an “e clutch” on a conventional manual. So you can pull the transmission out of gear and then into the next one but automate what your left leg would be doing.

That would be a godsend for manual drivers like me with jacked up knees.
I believe hyundai/kia is going to release a "clutch by wire" manual in an upcoming car soon.
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I believe hyundai/kia is going to release a "clutch by wire" manual in an upcoming car soon.
I might give that a test drive, but I was hoping for something a little sportier...
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You're welcome to be content with what is currently on offer, the rest of us will continue to discuss possible improvements, and we call all coexist.

Life is filled with disappointments, but don't let that get you down. I haven't.

MT is a big portion of a car, but even if the TLX A-Spec/TypeS came with MT, hardly a car I would want in my line up.
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Life is filled with disappointments, but don't let that get you down. I haven't.

MT is a big portion of a car, but even if the TLX A-Spec/TypeS came with MT, hardly a car I would want in my line up.
What's your reasoning behind that? Too grown up/mature for you? (Not a slam, just looking at your cars in your profile being all "fun" cars.)

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https://www.acura.com/news-and-press...ory=TLXNewsRss
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2021 TLX 2.0T $37,500 / $39,500

2021 TLX 2.0T with Technology Package $41,500 / $43,500

2021 TLX 2.0T with A-Spec Package $44,250 / $46,250

2021 TLX 2.0T with Advance Package $46,300 / $48,300
Still no news on the Type S price, other than "arrives next spring well-equipped in the low to mid $50,000s" in the release.

Tires are impressive. The 19's are 255/40 R19, and the 20's coming on the Type S are 255/35 R20. Pretty much the same tread width 8.4"/8.5" and rolling diameter for both. Personally, I think the 19s would be better (cheaper than 20s). But, as far as tires go, these are on the "wider" side of the scale.

Things that strike me as odd are the Advance pkg will have a heated steering wheel, HUD Display, also fogs and advance wiper stuff, the Type S won't. I would think the Type S would be like an Advance+ (bigger engine, sportier suspension/tuning, but loaded). Guess they're not planning on that, or it will be optional?

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What's your reasoning behind that? Too grown up/mature for you? (Not a slam, just looking at your cars in your profile being all "fun" cars.)

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Thanks. Yeah, no, I just don't like vanilla cars made for the masses as I get to drive them as rental cars from the airport all the time on business (well, pre-pandemic).

From Honda, what I expected was a S2K revival, but that never happened and probably never will. A true disappointment.

I'm also not into luxury cars as I don't live that life style. If I was looking for a luxury car I'd be looking at something in the $80K-100K range (LC500 was it?), but to do what with it? Go golfing on weekends with my buddies at work? Go to a nice restaurants after golf? Cruise on a boat on the weekends? No thanks, I don't live that life style.

I'm a real simple guy.. I just like to drive small cars on the streets, preferably AWD, MT and about the power rating of an STI/Golf-R. Perfect sport compacts for me. For daily tasks, WRX and FiST.. awesome. No one's jelly of my cars, no status show-off, etc. BS.
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