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Old 09-09-2020, 11:31 AM   #76
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Still no news on the Type S price, other than "arrives next spring well-equipped in the low to mid $50,000s" in the release.

Tires are impressive. The 19's are 255/40 R19, and the 20's coming on the Type S are 255/35 R20. Pretty much the same tread width 8.4"/8.5" and rolling diameter for both. Personally, I think the 19s would be better (cheaper than 20s). But, as far as tires go, these are on the "wider" side of the scale.

Things that strike me as odd are the Advance pkg will have a heated steering wheel, HUD Display, also fogs and advance wiper stuff, the Type S won't. I would think the Type S would be like an Advance+ (bigger engine, sportier suspension/tuning, but loaded). Guess they're not planning on that, or it will be optional?

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I have a feeling the Type S will be the "performance oriented" model, but you will be able to option all the other stuff.
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Old 09-09-2020, 01:15 PM   #77
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I have a feeling the Type S will be the "performance oriented" model, but you will be able to option all the other stuff.
Nope, big mistake on Acura's part. The Type-S has the same feature set as the A-Spec. You can't get the Advance Package features on it. Maybe in Canada, but not US. Not a good move on Acura's part for a $55,000 car.
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Nope, big mistake on Acura's part. The Type-S has the same feature set as the A-Spec. You can't get the Advance Package features on it. Maybe in Canada, but not US. Not a good move on Acura's part for a $55,000 car.
I hate the way Acura does packages. There are way too many and they interact too much with the ability to combine interior and exterior colors.
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Old 09-10-2020, 12:15 AM   #79
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The car already seems dead before it's even got here. I can't seem to find any sedans i like under $50k new. They all seem the same and almost all are auto trannys.

Buying used just never seemed viable at that price range (although the largest parts of depreciation have already happened) mostly because I worry about maintenance cost taking up the majority of money you saved. Just at 60k in my 2015 wrx and i need brakes, rotors, rear strut, spark plugs, fluid changes, etc
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The car already seems dead before it's even got here. I can't seem to find any sedans i like under $50k new. They all seem the same and almost all are auto trannys.

Buying used just never seemed viable at that price range (although the largest parts of depreciation have already happened) mostly because I worry about maintenance cost taking up the majority of money you saved. Just at 60k in my 2015 wrx and i need brakes, rotors, rear strut, spark plugs, fluid changes, etc
Welcome to my world, I was in the same car since 2006 - sporty wagons went away, sporty sedans went away; now the only options are some kind of grand touring sedan with a luxury badge, that carries too much weight and too few pedals. Don't get me wrong my Lexus is a nice place to be, it handles well, but it's like 3,600lbs with a V6, it's "quick" but it needs two more cylinders or to lose a bunch of weight to be "fast" and I'd prefer the latter. Worth noting I liked it better than the current STI though, and I have a bias against auto's, so there's that.
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Old 09-10-2020, 08:31 AM   #81
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The car already seems dead before it's even got here. I can't seem to find any sedans i like under $50k new. They all seem the same and almost all are auto trannys.

Buying used just never seemed viable at that price range (although the largest parts of depreciation have already happened) mostly because I worry about maintenance cost taking up the majority of money you saved. Just at 60k in my 2015 wrx and i need brakes, rotors, rear strut, spark plugs, fluid changes, etc
Sedans in general are boring unless it's a special car intentionally made for car guys like the STI/WRX (or go higher up the food chain M-series, RS, etc). So if I was in your shoes and want a MT sedan, I would either wait out for the next gen STI/WRX or just buy the current 2020 STI/WRX and start fresh with the latest improvements.

I'm sure you can pull most of the mod parts off your current WRX and use it on the new. The refresh STI's have some minor changes where I read about cat/axle backs not fitting or something. I would get bored of cars like the TLX/IS after the honeymoon period. I like the new shape of the 2021 IS350 though.. but I'll probably get bored of it so I am going to look at the RC-F.
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I think the embargo is lifted on the 28th, so will know more then. Seeing some of the vids floating around, the interior looks nice, love the flat bottom wheel in the ASpec.

I just think the interior could have been just a tad simpler. And by that, I mean like the interior of a volvo or alfa giulia. I just love clean simple approaches to designs. Can't wait to hear the driving reviews.

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Performance embargo has been lifted. Starting at 3:55 here for a reason, they're driving the ASpec and not the TypeS yet. Hopefully they get the shifting and spooling a little more synched up, or this could be an issue with sales if thinking 'performance sedan"...

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The transmission shift and throttle response delay is outright baffling. Leave it to Honda to bungle this up. Stop re-inventing the wheel. Source the same ZF8 like BMW. Massive massive fail. Design team delivers but drivetrain team screws it up. What a shame. SIGH!!!
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BMW, Alfa, ChryCo, Supra, Jaguar, etc... it's a very, very superb unit, and it probably the best thing ChryCo ever did putting ZFs in almost everything.

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The transmission shift and throttle response delay is outright baffling. Leave it to Honda to bungle this up. Stop re-inventing the wheel. Source the same ZF8 like BMW. Massive massive fail. Design team delivers but drivetrain team screws it up. What a shame. SIGH!!!
I concur..biggest gripe with last one tranny sucked. So first and for most that would be job one. So that's exactly what they did. Job one totally ignore the issue, stupid car buying public take it or leave it and that's what I lot of potential buyers did. Hopefully, they will do it now too. ********..It's not type S Avanti..who **** cares
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First Reviews Of 2021 Acura TLX Are In, Is It As Competitive As It Needs To Be?

The redesigned 2021 Acura TLX will launch in the United States on September 28 and a handful of publications have had the opportunity to test it.

In the U.S., the range kicks off with the TLX 2.0T thatís available from $37,500 in front-wheel drive form and $39,500 with the Super Handling All-Wheel Drive system. This meansit is $1,300 more expensive than the base 2020 TLX that came with a V6 engine producing 290 hp. By comparison, the 2021 TLXís 2.0-liter turbo four-cylinder delivers 272 hp and 280 lb-ft (379 Nm) of torque.

The first review comes from TheStraightPipes in Canada and they have mixed things to say about the new TLX with the 2.0-liter turbo-four. The biggest letdown seems to be Acuraís standard 10-speed automatic transmission that is extraordinarily slow to respond when you floor the throttle and expect it to downshift. The reviewers also have some complaints about the handling, claiming that, while it feels capable, it doesnít inspire confidence.

There are also some complaints relating to the interior, such as the confusing trackpad used to operate the infotainment system. A review from Cars.com also says that the second row lacks headroom and legroom.

Of course, the real make or break for the TLX could be the flagship Type S model. This variant wonít arrive until next spring, but has a lot of potential thanks to its 3.0-liter turbocharged V6 that produces 355 hp and 354 lb-ft (480 Nm), funneled through a 10-speed auto to the Super Handling All-Wheel Drive system. However, weíll have to wait a little longer to get the chance to review that model.



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I concur..biggest gripe with last one tranny sucked. So first and for most that would be job one. So that's exactly what they did. Job one totally ignore the issue, stupid car buying public take it or leave it and that's what I lot of potential buyers did. Hopefully, they will do it now too. ********..It's not type S Avanti..who **** cares
Baffling isn't it? They benchmark the competition and decide yeah we are gonna screw this up too. I saw videos of the lack of headroom and leg room in the back. I am so freakin' amused by this execution.

Type S isn't going to do anything if the revenue generating models just sit on dealer lots like the RL aka RLX. It's not bad enough they priced out of the range. I sense incentives coming in less than 12 months.
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Thatís a good looking car. Itís a shame they spend millions of dollars designing a new release and then drop the ball on something as simple as transmission tuning. The Powertrain people worked on that unit, so itís not like doing it well is any more expensive than what they did.
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Reminds me of the conversation at the time about the Kizashi. Spending millions or billions to develop a savior sedan when it really didn't matter because there was so much more wrong with it than there was right with it.

Acura has 9 lives. And the Honda Accord. Suzuki did not. Such a futile game, creating a do everything for everyone super premium sedan when the Germans are continually pumping out impossible targets to hit and reliability is about the same.
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It's an ordinary looking sports sedan on the exterior besides the splitter which looked good from the top to bottom viewing angle, but it's not anything new I've seen.

I like the splash-outward like front grill design from the emblem (haven't seen anything like that before on a car at least) and the interior looks nice.

Besides the front grill, I did not feel anything..
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SH-AWD turbo four cracks 4,000lbs (3,927-4,028 based on trim); I can only imagine how heavy the TTV6 Type S will be (as this was the only potentially desirable model for me).

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-bad transmission logic and/or performance
-questionable handling characteristics
-back seat space concerns (varies based on reviewer)

As a "sports luxury sedan" it's a swing and a miss in my book, unless the Type S magically loses weight and Acura figures out the transmission and suspension.

related/unrelated - peeved that Acura shows the Type S drifting in the ad for it; you can't initiate a drift with an E-parking brake, and SH-AWD certainly won't oversteer, especially not with the amount of theater shown in the ad.
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The Type S will likely weigh in the range of 4200 lbs or more depending on the size of brakes and wheels they use. I'm not sure 350 hp is going to be enough power to make that car anything more than quick. Shame about the transmission though. That Straight Pipes video showing full second delays between shifting is the worst I have seen from any late model automatic. I would hope that the Type S will feature better programming but Honda's track record with automatic transmissions has always been spotty so no surprise.
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The transmission shift and throttle response delay is outright baffling. Leave it to Honda to bungle this up. Stop re-inventing the wheel. Source the same ZF8 like BMW. Massive massive fail. Design team delivers but drivetrain team screws it up. What a shame. SIGH!!!
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I concur..biggest gripe with last one tranny sucked. So first and for most that would be job one. So that's exactly what they did. Job one totally ignore the issue, stupid car buying public take it or leave it and that's what I lot of potential buyers did. Hopefully, they will do it now too. ********..It's not type S Avanti..who **** cares
Unfortunately, the ZF8 only works with longitudinally mounted engines.
The ZF9 (9HP48) works for transverse engines and that's the tranny Acura had been using in the TLX since 2015 ... and seems like people didn't like it too much either.
Honda/Acura just needs to bite the bullet and improve their in-house 10-speed.

Interesting tidbit, the ZF 9HP48 is rated for 480 N.m which translates to exactly 354 ft.lb.
Acura max torque for that new TLX is also, exactly, 354 ft.lbs.
I don't think it's a coincidence ; I think that new TLX engine was initially supposed to be paired with the ZF9; then plans changed along the way and the in-house 10-speed was shoved in there.
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Thanks neg_matnik was not aware of that fact about the ZF8. Can't stand the dumb arse transverse design. Honda never steps up to the ball game. At this rate I might have to look at a Certified Gensis G70 in manual trim.
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