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Old 06-18-2020, 03:46 PM   #26
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Going to correct my post as I speed read and didnít catch it was the 2.0 model. Yeah, Iíd say $35k base and $40k max loaded is where it should be. Maybe I could see a max price of $42k loaded.
I was thinking $39xxx to start. This is the same with the FR-S. It felt about $3k too much. But I agree about the package and components being worth every part.
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Old 06-18-2020, 04:14 PM   #27
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I forgive it because the blue and the other black accents. But same at first sight.
Iím thinking maybe itís backwards? Like the thin line should be forward to maintain the line coming up from the side intakes?
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Old 06-18-2020, 04:26 PM   #28
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Yes, I'm talking about the 2.0. I think the 3.0 is priced appropriately. But $35-40K sounds better for the 2.0, again given the competition (which enthusiasts will care about) and the lack of a BMW badge (which regular people will care about and just buy a Z4 or a 4-series instead in the mid-$40K range). $43K fully loaded is palatable, $43K for a base 2.0 means the top trims will likely get it close to the price of the 3.0.

Or again, like I said, give the 2.0 a manual transmission and that way you'll win over the enthusiasts who are hell-bent on rowing their own gears. But it's hard to see enthusiasts lining up to buy a 2.0 for $43K+ when there are other options out there with more power for less money. A manual transmission might make the 2.0 more enticing given that it's big brother doesn't have that option.
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Old 06-18-2020, 05:59 PM   #29
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Old 06-18-2020, 06:12 PM   #30
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all I see is a BMW Z4, with the size and revenue of....T O Y O T A! you would think they could have kept the heritage...now legend of the supra alive and come up with a retro design of the mid 90's twin turbo coupe and kept the "supra" proportions and shape....this thing is WAY too long in the front, and the rear spoiler frankly looks ridiculous molded into the Z4 body.

94 twin turbo supra is a better car than this Z4 faker. Sorry but I was and still AM a huge fan of the mid 90's twin turbo supra's I remember sitting in black 94' at the Boston International Auto Show at the Hynes Convention center and being in AWE at the lines and the sleek no nonsense interior. WTF this new one is a Z4! Yuck.

Whats next....a rebadged KIA stinger as General Motors TransAm with a shaker hood and T-tops LMAO!!!
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Old 06-18-2020, 07:44 PM   #31
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all I see is a BMW Z4, with the size and revenue of....T O Y O T A! you would think they could have kept the heritage...now legend of the supra alive and come up with a retro design of the mid 90's twin turbo coupe and kept the "supra" proportions and shape....this thing is WAY too long in the front, and the rear spoiler frankly looks ridiculous molded into the Z4 body.

94 twin turbo supra is a better car than this Z4 faker. Sorry but I was and still AM a huge fan of the mid 90's twin turbo supra's I remember sitting in black 94' at the Boston International Auto Show at the Hynes Convention center and being in AWE at the lines and the sleek no nonsense interior. WTF this new one is a Z4! Yuck.

Whats next....a rebadged KIA stinger as General Motors TransAm with a shaker hood and T-tops LMAO!!!
Wouldn't surprise me if Toyota goes solo for next iteration given the heat they have taken from the enthusiast community. However I doubt we will see a motor only version, likely Hybrid in collaboration with GR.
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Wouldn't surprise me if Toyota goes solo for next iteration given the heat they have taken from the enthusiast community. However I doubt we will see a motor only version, likely Hybrid in collaboration with GR.
It has less to do with the engine and trans and more about the design of the vehicle. The Supra is a pretty low volume car so them engineering their own power plant likely wouldnít yield a worthy ROI.
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Old 06-18-2020, 08:55 PM   #33
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It has less to do with the engine and trans and more about the design of the vehicle. The Supra is a pretty low volume car so them engineering their own power plant likely wouldn’t yield a worthy ROI.
Toyota has the entire Lexus parts bin to draw from. They could easily engineer an engine for the Supra and then do cost sharing with a HiPo Lexus using the same engine.

That's harder and possibly more expensive though - which is why people have knocked Toyota for taking the easy way out and just paying BMW to engineer it.
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Toyota has the entire Lexus parts bin to draw from. They could easily engineer an engine for the Supra and then do cost sharing with a HiPo Lexus using the same engine.

That's harder and possibly more expensive though - which is why people have knocked Toyota for taking the easy way out and just paying BMW to engineer it.
The Zupra lands firmly in RC pricing territory, but it's 400-ish pounds lighter than the RC, the RC is also a 2+2 where the Zupra is not.

Toyota/Lexus has a 2.0T, NA V6, V6TT, and NA V8 they could have drawn on for a Supra, they are out of the I6 game so that wasn't going to happen.

They have an 8spd auto that isn't as good as a ZF, but is still really good.

The problem is that the Lexus chassis', although good at what they do, are heavy because of their luxury bent. A stripped down RC with a Toyota badge isn't going to lose 400lbs, even if they pull out the rear seats; but the OG Supra was a heavy GT car, so this may or may not have mattered to potential Supra buyers (I think it wouldn't have).

Could they have done it? Yes
Should they have done it? I also think yes
Could they have done it for 10k less than the equivalent Lexus RC? I'm not sure they could have.

I used the RC and not the LC because the LC ticks into 100k territory real quick, and there is no way we'd see an LC for half the price just because of a badge change.

I feel like they did the math and the BMW option was cheaper, so they went with it.
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They should have just Toyota-fied the Lexus LC and stuck the twin turbo V6 in there from the LS500. That's basically what an MK4 was, a shortened wheelbase SC300.
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The Zupra lands firmly in RC pricing territory, but it's 400-ish pounds lighter than the RC, the RC is also a 2+2 where the Zupra is not.

Toyota/Lexus has a 2.0T, NA V6, V6TT, and NA V8 they could have drawn on for a Supra, they are out of the I6 game so that wasn't going to happen.

They have an 8spd auto that isn't as good as a ZF, but is still really good.

The problem is that the Lexus chassis', although good at what they do, are heavy because of their luxury bent. A stripped down RC with a Toyota badge isn't going to lose 400lbs, even if they pull out the rear seats; but the OG Supra was a heavy GT car, so this may or may not have mattered to potential Supra buyers (I think it wouldn't have).

Could they have done it? Yes
Should they have done it? I also think yes
Could they have done it for 10k less than the equivalent Lexus RC? I'm not sure they could have.

I used the RC and not the LC because the LC ticks into 100k territory real quick, and there is no way we'd see an LC for half the price just because of a badge change.

I feel like they did the math and the BMW option was cheaper, so they went with it.





They shouldnt have done it at all then. Its just a rebadged Z4..its not a supra. Cheverolet can pull a mid engine totally new corvette that looks like a supercar exotic out of their A$$ for $60,000 and Toyota cant make a new supra??? LMAO!
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WHOOPSSIIEEE!!

Would be interesting to see this comparo with a 2021 Supra.
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WHOOPSSIIEEE!!

Would be interesting to see this comparo with a 2021 Supra.
And with an S209 on 93oct gas.......
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The ZF8 is a premium transmission that you won't find in any other car of this price.
Just a quick note, while it's a great transmission, it's in plenty of other cheaper cars. F
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Just a quick note, while it's a great transmission, it's in plenty of other cheaper cars. F
Correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission

Lots of cheaper cars on that list using the ZF8. That said, it does come down to how the OEM tunes it for their application, but it's a magical unit.

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Just a quick note, while it's a great transmission, it's in plenty of other cheaper cars. F
FCA is probably the least expensive offering with a ZF8 - Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep & Ram all use it.
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When Toyota builds an actual supra instead of rebadging someone elses coupe and "calling" it a supra, let me know, this rebadged Z4 fake supra is dumb.
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And with an S209 on 93oct gas.......

Only if it has a downpipe and a tune man.
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When Toyota builds an actual supra
Considering their past two performance offerings have been these same types of "joint ventures", I think it's safe to say Toyota has 0 plans to build an exclusive Toyota offering of this type for the foreseeable future (read: some turnover in management).

Despite being one of the most successful car companies, they seem intent that "we can't manage to build it on our own!"
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When Toyota builds an actual supra instead of rebadging someone elses coupe and "calling" it a supra, let me know, this rebadged Z4 fake supra is dumb.
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When Toyota builds an actual supra instead of rebadging someone elses coupe and "calling" it a supra, let me know, this rebadged Z4 fake supra is dumb.
Why would they let you know? It's not like you will buy one.
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Considering their past two performance offerings have been these same types of "joint ventures", I think it's safe to say Toyota has 0 plans to build an exclusive Toyota offering of this type for the foreseeable future (read: some turnover in management).

Despite being one of the most successful car companies, they seem intent that "we can't manage to build it on our own!"
It's not that they can't. They just won't. They don't have to, either. ToA seems especially against sports cars. Not only that, it's pointless to try and make a world sportscar when America was the country that bought the most of them, and now the regulations over here are so ****ed that it's so much easier to just take a FWD family sedan and throw tons of HP at it, or just make your luxury brand carry the load. We are the issue. Everyone wants a 180sx, but no one will pay for it new, because the costs of making it from scratch will put it in the upper 30's at least. And at that point you have dumb **** Americans thinking, "well hell I can get muh 4000 lb muscle wagon for that much" because the dumb **** Americans that that populate the last throes of the sportscar market only see the hp figures and ring laptimes and don't think about consumables and mods. And god forbid the domestic manufacturers take their turbo 4s, which are actually pretty good, and put them into bespoke non convertible small rwd coupes, but that's another rant. Toyota didn't have to do ****, but thankfully because they did, us peasants don't have to cross-shop Miatas with Camaros and Mustangs to get our used car FR fix. So if you're a fan of this increasingly niche(read:dead) segment, it shouldn't matter if Toyota wants to partner with BMW, or Subaru for that matter. Because I shudder to think what the used RWD market would be in 2020 if the twins hadn't showed up. They'd be asking 15k for clean s13s and FC RX7s at this point.


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Why would they let you know? It's not like you will buy one.
****ing nailed it.
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They shouldnt have done it at all then. Its just a rebadged Z4..its not a supra. Cheverolet can pull a mid engine totally new corvette that looks like a supercar exotic out of their A$$ for $60,000 and Toyota cant make a new supra??? LMAO!
Chevy has way way way more experience and R&D with the Corvette, and a guaranteed domestic market for a mid engined Vette. It's the sportscar/exotic with perhaps the best value in history, but the situation is not at all the same. Chevy's small block V8 has been honed over 60 years, Team Corvette has taken the FR platform to it's absolute limit in GTE. GM invests more in motorsport than any manufacturer on Earth, bar *maybe* VAG. They've been racing MR prototypes as long and more consistently than Toyota as well.

Toyota(and every Japanese manufacturer not named Honda) are economy car companies who had a coke bender for a decade, and now people expect them to be the coked out versions of themselves all the time. That era is never coming back, ever. Toyota got big by making economy cars with efficiency and quality.
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