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Old 12-10-2019, 10:10 PM   #1
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News 2021 Chevy Tahoe and Suburban







Chevrolet rolled out radically re-engineered and rethought versions of a pair of its most popular and profitable vehicles Tuesday, the bigger new 2021 Tahoe and Suburban large SUVs.

Biggest surprise, the big vehicles get even bigger, and they adopt a suspension Ford’s big SUVs have used for nearly 20 years to offer a more comfortable ride and more passenger and cargo space.

The two big Chevy SUVs — alongside their corporate cousins, the upcoming GMC Yukon, Yukon XL and Cadillac Escalade — account for a surreal 70% or more of the U.S. market for large SUVs, vehicles that range from workhorse vehicles towing heavy trailers to $100,000-plus luxury vehicles.

The competition for the 2021 models will only get more intense as Jeep prepares big new SUVs of its own to wrest a slice of the lucrative market from GM.

Diesel efficiency, cushy ride
New features buyers should like when the SUVs go on sale in mid-2020:

More room: The 2021 Tahoe and Suburban grow 6.7 and 1.3 inches longer, respectively. Their already expansive interiors grow huge: 10.1 inches more third-row legroom and 10.2 cubic feet more luggage space behind the Tahoe’s rear seat. The Suburban only grows 1.8 inches longer, but its second and third rows each gain more than two inches of legroom.
Diesel engine: The Tahoe and Suburban will offer their first diesel, the quiet and fuel-efficient 3.0L V6 that’s already available in the Chevy Silverado pickup. None of the SUVs’ competitors — primarily the Ford Expedition and Max, Nissan Armada and Toyota Sequoia — offers a diesel. The engine’s fuel economy and towing capability give the Tahoe and Suburban an ace in the hole.
Ride: In addition to the SUVs’ greater length, the 2021 models adopt an independent rear suspension, which contributes to interior space and a much smoother ride. The independent rear suspension is linked to optional adaptive shock absorbers and air springs for a smoother ride and better handling. A few laps on the ride and handling course at GM’s Milford proving ground made a strong case for a Tahoe with IRS adaptive shocks and air springs as the smoothest big SUV of its size.
Interior features: Tahoe and Suburban options include a big 10.25-inch touch screen and a pair of 12.6-inch LCD rear screens that can play movies and offer content from passengers’ smartphones — even different programs on the two screens, the final frontier for peaceful travel on family vacations.

GM builds about 340,000 Tahoes, Suburbans, Yukons and Escalades a year in Arlington, Texas. GM invested over $1.4 billion to build the SUVs in the plant, which employs 4,800.

Like the Tahoe and Suburban, the Yukon goes on sale in mid-2020. The Escalade should follow shortly.

Due to the success of the Lincoln Navigator, which is selling for an average price of around $96,000, there’s massive pressure on the Escalade to reestablish Cadillac as maker of the best big SUV.

2021 Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban at a glance

Built: Arlington, Texas
Powertrains
3.0L V6 diesel: 277 horsepower at 3,750 rpm; 460 pound-feet of torque at 1,500 rpm
5.3L V8: 355 hp at 5,600 rpm; 383 pound-feet at 4,100 rpm
6.2L V8: 420 hp at 5,600 rpm; 460 hopat 4,100 rpm
Transmission: 10-speed automatic
Tahoe dimensions
Wheelbase: 120.9 inches
Length: 210.7 inches
Height: 75.9 inches
Width: 81 inches
Suburban dimensions
Wheelbase: 134.1 inches
Length: 225.7 inches
Height: 75.7 inches
Width: 81.1 inches

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Old 12-10-2019, 10:26 PM   #2
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I can't stop seeing bubba... I just keep thinking, Fried Tahoe, BBQ Tahoe, Boiled Tahoe....

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Old 12-10-2019, 11:05 PM   #3
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Just as ugly as the new trucks and that stupid afterthought display.
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:20 PM   #4
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The interior and dash on the prior Tahoe / Suburban was nice. This looks like a step backwards.

I’ll take the Navigator / Aviator, please and thank you.
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:36 AM   #5
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Kids and rear passenger adults MUST HAVE A SCREEN! Society and vehicles are off the deep edge. Look at that, it’s hilarious.
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:58 AM   #6
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Kids and rear passenger adults MUST HAVE A SCREEN! Society and vehicles are off the deep edge. Look at that, itís hilarious.
Eh, likely wonít come standard so itís nothing new. It does look tacky and pretty cheaply designed though, which isnít surprising. Iím just picturing a family hauling 4 kids with something going on the seat back screens and kids staring down at their iPads / iPhones.

Pretty ****ing pathetic that kids canít go 10-20 minutes without some sort of electronic entertainment. Post college professional world will be a shock to them when they get there.
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Old 12-11-2019, 05:21 AM   #7
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The front view, just like the silverados, looks like some sort of cross between robocop and stimpy....

I was wondering how they suburban would wear the new face. Silverado wears it better and thats not saying much.

Also there's a typo, That diesel six is an inline, not a V6.
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:33 PM   #8
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Literally the ugliest front end currently for sale.
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Old 12-11-2019, 12:46 PM   #9
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Chevy's latest big truck and SUV designs are not pretty at all.
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Old 12-11-2019, 01:03 PM   #10
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The silverados are just...awful looking. Seems like a good truck under there but I could never do it. Kinda lame when both dodge and ford are better looking than you, GM. Or at the least less awful.

Theyre uglifying the colorado next year too, It wears the face a little better, less chrome, but still just too over the top. Looks like predator.
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Old 12-11-2019, 03:16 PM   #11
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Iím just picturing a family hauling 4 kids with something going on the seat back screens and kids staring down at their iPads / iPhones.
Exactly my point. Skip this option and buy your kid an IPAD with LTE connectivity. Apple (or MS) will continue to update the product while the vehicle mfr you'll be lucky if they update it all.

It's an effed up world when parents are handing their infants screens. Hooked for life. It's been proven these apps and devices release dopamine, and it's the same companies who designed all the machines in the Casinos. If an adult walked into a Las Vegas Casino and saw a 3 year old with a bucket of coins standing in front of a slot machine pulling the handle they'd most likely freak out and talk about how wrong it is, called protective services, etc. Meanwhile they are doing the same damn thing handing a child a phone or pad when they are at such a young age. People are all stupid. Stupid is as stupid does so stupid is moving right into the vehicles. Idiocracy yet again.
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Exactly my point. Skip this option and buy your kid an IPAD with LTE connectivity. Apple (or MS) will continue to update the product while the vehicle mfr you'll be lucky if they update it all.

It's an effed up world when parents are handing their infants screens. Hooked for life. It's been proven these apps and devices release dopamine, and it's the same companies who designed all the machines in the Casinos. If an adult walked into a Las Vegas Casino and saw a 3 year old with a bucket of coins standing in front of a slot machine pulling the handle they'd most likely freak out and talk about how wrong it is, called protective services, etc. Meanwhile they are doing the same damn thing handing a child a phone or pad when they are at such a young age. People are all stupid. Stupid is as stupid does so stupid is moving right into the vehicles. Idiocracy yet again.
One day you will be in a nursing home, those kids will grow up and hardly anyone will remember a world without ubiquitous screens. Just like nobody remembers a world without electricity. My grandfather grew up without it, and he died in 2002.
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Old 12-11-2019, 05:24 PM   #13
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Chevy's latest big truck and SUV designs are not pretty at all.

I humbly disagree. My favorite of them all.


But, that's just the looks
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Exactly my point. Skip this option and buy your kid an IPAD with LTE connectivity. Apple (or MS) will continue to update the product while the vehicle mfr you'll be lucky if they update it all.

It's an effed up world when parents are handing their infants screens. Hooked for life. It's been proven these apps and devices release dopamine, and it's the same companies who designed all the machines in the Casinos. If an adult walked into a Las Vegas Casino and saw a 3 year old with a bucket of coins standing in front of a slot machine pulling the handle they'd most likely freak out and talk about how wrong it is, called protective services, etc. Meanwhile they are doing the same damn thing handing a child a phone or pad when they are at such a young age. People are all stupid. Stupid is as stupid does so stupid is moving right into the vehicles. Idiocracy yet again.

So you are saying Casino slot machine vendors made the ipad.
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So you are saying Casino slot machine vendors made the ipad.
I'm saying the same consultants who work on the vegas gambling machines have worked on the phones, ipads, and apps. It's pretty well documented, you can research on your own. I'm sure a google search of smartphone + dopamine will give you hours of reading. Multiple silicon valley insiders have come public over the last few years releasing detailed information to the algorithms being used, the connection to gambling machines, same consultants being used, etc. Have you not see the addiction in society, like everywhere? People are on them streets piloting vehicles surfing the entire time. Surf's up dude!
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We have a 2016 Tahoe LT with Max Towing, which we bought to tow a sailboat.

Itís very good at towing. Ride is good - for a truck. Rear load floor is high and 3rd row surprisingly tight due to the box required by the beam rear axle.

Itís a 4WD system with low range. There is an ďAutoĒ 4WD setting but the VTD system in our 2014 Outback 3.6R is far superior for snow and rain/snow/ice.

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Old 12-12-2019, 12:12 AM   #17
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I'm not sure how correct this statement is. Just saw the new Escalade.
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I'm saying the same consultants who work on the vegas gambling machines have worked on the phones, ipads, and apps. It's pretty well documented, you can research on your own. I'm sure a google search of smartphone + dopamine will give you hours of reading. Multiple silicon valley insiders have come public over the last few years releasing detailed information to the algorithms being used, the connection to gambling machines, same consultants being used, etc. Have you not see the addiction in society, like everywhere? People are on them streets piloting vehicles surfing the entire time. Surf's up dude!
I tend to think it is more the need for social media than any special magical algorithm. When people have less, they look for ways to make themselves feel good. That is via social media and acceptance. They crave belonging. Social media has crippled us as a society and definitely lowered overall IQ's as the me me me generation is satisfied with virtual relationships rather than real ones.

Quite sad really.
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Are those stock 22’s from the factory? Can’t imagine how much it’s going to cost to buy a set of tires for those puppies.
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I assume the same design team that destroyed the front end of the Camaro is also responsible for designing the front end of GM trucks.
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I assume the same design team that destroyed the front end of the Camaro is also responsible for designing the front end of GM trucks.
It's not a a team "It's an app that uses AI."

This is just the beginning for GM. Rest assured though, all is under control. Barra has faith in her team.
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Old 12-12-2019, 09:50 PM   #22
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If it was the same Camaro team, there would be a flowtie in the middle of the bumper.
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I Dunno why you'd pay 90K for this either guy.
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Old 12-12-2019, 11:41 PM   #24
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Definitely bold looking front ends on them thur GM products.
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Old 12-13-2019, 12:28 AM   #25
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I'm not upset about the Cadillac. I think it works well, unless there's something crazy underneath the cladding. Better than Lexus but not as good as Lincoln, IMO. I would take this design over the Chevy design.
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