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Old 05-22-2018, 03:42 PM   #1426
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The reviews are mostly positive although cars.com says's the CVT is noisy and road and wind noise are pronounced. After months of hype the bubble has burst. Subaru has a winner but I don't think it will everbody's choice. It has room for improvement in the MMC.
Hogwash! Alex on Autos gives the Cabin Noise grade of "A". A very detailed review if anyone cares.

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The reviews are mostly positive although cars.com says's the CVT is noisy and road and wind noise are pronounced. After months of hype the bubble has burst. Subaru has a winner but I don't think it will everbody's choice. It has room for improvement in the MMC.
Cars.com? Don't think it is a reference. All those others find the combo good of real good...
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Old 05-22-2018, 07:45 PM   #1428
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Hogwash! Alex on Autos gives the Cabin Noise grade of "A". A very detailed review if anyone cares.

https://youtu.be/4HavWCdF65M


Yeah. I call hogwash as well. Bias' aside, this is the quietest Subaru I have ever been in. The only wind noise I noticed was the 3rd row A/C vents on my head!!!! And I ain't complain'n bout that!
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Old 05-23-2018, 06:50 AM   #1429
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Yea, I’ll be looking forward to the first (possibly) substantial refresh. How long will that be, 4-5 years?
I pre-ordered the facelifted Ascent Gen 2. Now that will be a substantial refresh.
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:03 AM   #1430
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:52 AM   #1431
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Read several reviews and they all commented that the road noise was minimal and ride was very quiet, enough to carry a conversation between rear most and front seat passengers.

In my BRZ the rear "passengers" (victims, really) could hardly hear anything up front.
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Old 05-23-2018, 01:49 PM   #1432
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I hadn't realized the CX-9 was that good. It was referenced in Alex's video many many times.
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Old 05-23-2018, 02:18 PM   #1433
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I hadn’t realized the CX-9 was that good. It was referenced in Alex’s video many many times.
The Cx-9 is the auto enthusiast press' favorite SUV. Pretty much every review says it drives like a much smaller vehicle than it actually is.

Too bad for Mazda nobody buys these things for their driving dynamics. The sales numbers suck... It barely outsells the Ford Flex.
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Old 05-23-2018, 02:32 PM   #1434
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The Cx-9 is the auto enthusiast press' favorite SUV. Pretty much every review says it drives like a much smaller vehicle than it actually is.

Too bad for Mazda nobody buys these things for their driving dynamics. The sales numbers suck... It barely outsells the Ford Flex.
Most auto journalists have a hard time putting themselves into the buyers' shoes. They seem to all use the "sporty feel" benchmark, even for cars that are not sports cars. Practicality and value seem to take a back seat.

With Subaru SUVs they usually fail to give credit to the brand for being the best in safety and having a superior AWD system. There is no comparison for off-road capability between a Subaru AWD SUV and a similarly priced competitor SUV. But that is rarely acknowledged or given the credit it deserves.
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Old 05-23-2018, 02:48 PM   #1435
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When we get our test driver Ascent, I plan on taking it down to the Mazda dealer(and likely others) and doing a side by side. But, from the article, I particularly liked these two statements....



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We doubt anyone is going to dismiss the Ascent based on its lackluster styling, but we also can't imagine anyone seeing one drive by and feeling compelled to visit their local Subaru dealership.





I would like to see the nationwide sold-order number for the Ascent and see if that is more than the sales of the CX-9 cause we have gotten into our second sold order allocation already. And that was before our test drive event Monday where we took in a few more orders. I haven't heard anyone dislike the looks yet(though they are pictures).




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Count 'em up and you'll see that the Subaru Ascent won three out of our five categories. By that measure, it's the winner of this comparison. But, as is so often the case, the reality is more nuanced than that.

It's like they don't want to admit the Ascent is the better of the 2. And "the reality" will become painfully obvious in just a few months.
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Old 05-23-2018, 02:54 PM   #1436
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Hogwash! Alex on Autos gives the Cabin Noise grade of "A". A very detailed review if anyone cares.

https://youtu.be/4HavWCdF65M
It sure seemed pretty quiet in that review. The engine loafs at <2k RPM most of the time in that video and I didn't have any trouble hearing the guy talking. He stated that the only thing quieter in the segment is the CX-9.

I think they are going to sell a ton of these, especially at the prices they are asking.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:19 PM   #1437
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[...]It's like they don't want to admit the Ascent is the better of the 2. And "the reality" will become painfully obvious in just a few months.
IMO, it's waaayyyy too early to call.
I personally remain skeptical of FA24DIT on 87 AKI gas. That is going to make or break the Ascent, IMO.
I'm going to withhold judgment until Ascent has been out and about, in owners' hands, for at least a year.
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Old 05-23-2018, 03:49 PM   #1438
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FA24DIT and AKI 87 will be a IAM/FKC/FLKC/PKC orchestra tour de force, but ironically (and maybe for the better; as ignorance is bliss in this case) most end users will never see or hear it or care to, let alone know what to look for.

It will drive and haul and tow, and that's all they'll ever know.

Ascent or not, in typical risk-averse and reactionary Nihon-jin fashion, Subaru will still be playing catch-up well into the 2020s and decide to reinvent themselves (again, yawn, boring) to try to cater to the wishy washy, picky and ADD-struck Gen-Z consumer. But by that time all the ships will have sailed... they sort of already have.

Latest YoY sales figures for all the models aside from the XV dont look that great if carscoops article monkeys are to be believed.

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Old 05-23-2018, 04:47 PM   #1439
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FA24DIT and AKI 87 will be a IAM/FKC/FLKC/PKC orchestra tour de force, [...]
That's exactly what I was getting at; I hope Subaru has a really good knock management strategy on this one.
For the square FA20DIT in the Forester, they specify 91 AKI at a minimum and even state that 93 AKI should be used for best performance.
Now, in the oversquare FA24DIT, which, in theory, is a little more prone to knocking compared to the FA20DIT, they say 87 AKI is OK.
Not a single mention of running higher octane gas for improved performance.

On the oil front, FA20DIT uses 5W30 and oil capacity is 5.4 qts.
The Ascent's owner manual specifies 0W20 and oil capacity is 4.8 qts.

Oh, well, we'll see how that goes.
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:25 PM   #1440
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That's exactly what I was getting at; I hope Subaru has a really good knock management strategy on this one.
For the square FA20DIT in the Forester, they specify 91 AKI at a minimum and even state that 93 AKI should be used for best performance.
Now, in the oversquare FA24DIT, which, in theory, is a little more prone to knocking compared to the FA20DIT, they say 87 AKI is OK.
Not a single mention of running higher octane gas for improved performance.

On the oil front, FA20DIT uses 5W30 and oil capacity is 5.4 qts.
The Ascent's owner manual specifies 0W20 and oil capacity is 4.8 qts.

Oh, well, we'll see how that goes.
Where'd ya get access to the owner's manual. I've been wanting to look at it, but it's not on Subaru's website yet.
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4.8 qts is still H4 territory, but the viscosity spec is all too common nowadays across the industry... and no the engines arent any better - all about them CAFE ratings and MPGs.

To the manufacturers the engines and vehicles, once sold, are just disposable appliances with plenty built in obsolescence. Wonder how the twin scroll and engine internals will fair when that 0W20 or 5W20 sheers down to a 15 weight. Fun times!

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Old 05-23-2018, 08:58 PM   #1442
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Where'd ya get access to the owner's manual. I've been wanting to look at it, but it's not on Subaru's website yet.



Not sure how much is in there yet; but, I saw some of it in the Starlink App.
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Old 05-24-2018, 01:22 AM   #1443
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Not sure how much is in there yet; but, I saw some of it in the Starlink App.
Someone on the newly created Ascent forums may have, allegedly, pulled the manual from STIS...
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Old 05-24-2018, 07:46 AM   #1444
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That's exactly what I was getting at; I hope Subaru has a really good knock management strategy on this one.
For the square FA20DIT in the Forester, they specify 91 AKI at a minimum and even state that 93 AKI should be used for best performance.
Now, in the oversquare FA24DIT, which, in theory, is a little more prone to knocking compared to the FA20DIT, they say 87 AKI is OK.
Not a single mention of running higher octane gas for improved performance.
Regardless of knock, which I agree, on paper looks like they are in trouble. I am curious to see how they were able to meet the EPA requirements. Again on paper; over-square, 87 AKI, etc., looks like trouble.

Surprised the oil capacity is less. I thought the 2.4 was a mish-mash of 2.0 and 2.5 parts.

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Old 05-24-2018, 08:45 AM   #1445
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FA24DIT and AKI 87 will be a IAM/FKC/FLKC/PKC orchestra tour de force, but ironically (and maybe for the better; as ignorance is bliss in this case) most end users will never see or hear it or care to, let alone know what to look for.

It will drive and haul and tow, and that's all they'll ever know.

Ascent or not, in typical risk-averse and reactionary Nihon-jin fashion, Subaru will still be playing catch-up well into the 2020s and decide to reinvent themselves (again, yawn, boring) to try to cater to the wishy washy, picky and ADD-struck Gen-Z consumer. But by that time all the ships will have sailed... they sort of already have.

Latest YoY sales figures for all the models aside from the XV dont look that great if carscoops article monkeys are to be believed.
The FA24 isn't exactly being pushed to the ragged edge here, guys. It's outputting 4% more power and 7% more torque with 20% more displacement than the FA20 in the Forester XT.

I know there is a regular vs. premium gas variable tossed in here, but I think the doom and gloom about knock is a little premature. The FA20 will run on 87 (not recommend, I know). Anyone dynoed one to see what it puts out on that gas? Does the output drop 10%? 20%?
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Power output is irrelevant here and meh with the Ascent anyway - we're talking cruise and low/mid throttle and load driving. If the knock prevention and anticipation strategy on the FA24DIT + Hitachi control systems combo is anything like it is on the FA20DIT, then with AKI87 (especially E10 AKI87) it will just be put through its paces and constantly intervene dynamically retarding timing... the question is at which point (if at all) does that noise subside to provide consistency.

The only thing worth seeing would be say a 30 minute log of mixed mode driving from a bone stock Ascent running a full tank of a. AKI87 E10, b. AKI87 E0, c. AKI93 E10 and d. AKI93 E0.
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Power output is irrelevant here and meh with the Ascent anyway - we're talking cruise and low/mid throttle and load driving. If the knock prevention and anticipation strategy on the FA24DIT + Hitachi control systems combo is anything like it is on the FA20DIT, then with AKI87 (especially E10 AKI87) it will just be put through its paces and constantly intervene dynamically retarding timing... the question is at which point (if at all) does that noise subside to provide consistency.

The only thing worth seeing would be say a 30 minute log of mixed mode driving from a bone stock Ascent running a full tank of a. AKI87 E10, b. AKI87 E0, c. AKI93 E10 and d. AKI93 E0.
Then who cares, really? A tune right at the knock threshold is a good tune.
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If my mom gets this car, I'll make sure she only gets Premium octane. She's a baller, so she'll do it regardless.

Unfortunately, in Alaska, the highest octane is 90.
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Ascent stylin' suggestions:

Mr. and Mrs. Smith Limited edition: Bone stock with almost zero maintenance in last 60K oxidized and foggy headlights, peeling clearcoat, street parking battle damage, 3 forward facing child seats in the 2nd row, 1 back facing child seat in the 3rd row, la crosse and soccer practice equipment in the trunk. Static cling sun shades on top of limo tint.

Inner-city Zorro fabulous: Chrome trim anywhere it can possibly go (especially around taillights and on side skirts, all possible OE external accessories installed, front and back chrome bumper guards, year-round safari roof-rack, stick figure stickers and obligatory vanity plates.

Murdur'ed out raceaah: FlexFuel E85 pops-n-bangs t00ne, bagged and dropped 4", catless turbo-back with muffler deletes, black out all trim, full exterior mat finish vinyl wrap, matching mat black 21" wheels and lug nuts, rubber band profile tires (at least 275/30R21), 35W bi-HID retrofit with halos, demon eyes and strobes. Limo tint all around (including windshield).
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Ascent stylin' suggestions:

Mr. and Mrs. Smith Limited edition: Bone stock with almost zero maintenance in last 60K oxidized and foggy headlights, peeling clearcoat, street parking battle damage, 3 forward facing child seats in the 2nd row, 1 back facing child seat in the 3rd row, la crosse and soccer practice equipment in the trunk. Static cling sun shades on top of limo tint.

Inner-city Zorro fabulous: Chrome trim anywhere it can possibly go (especially around taillights and on side skirts, all possible OE external accessories installed, front and back chrome bumper guards, year-round safari roof-rack, stick figure stickers and obligatory vanity plates.

Murdur'ed out raceaah: FlexFuel E85 pops-n-bangs t00ne, bagged and dropped 4", catless turbo-back with muffler deletes, black out all trim, full exterior mat finish vinyl wrap, matching mat black 21" wheels and lug nuts, rubber band profile tires (at least 275/30R21), 35W bi-HID retrofit with halos, demon eyes and strobes. Limo tint all around (including windshield).
All the ballers on a budget are buying Cx-9's, yo. Go read those forums, it's something else.
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