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Old 03-31-2018, 01:38 PM   #51
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As someone who actually sells new Subarus, I can testify that Manual Foresters and XT Premiums sell, at my dealership, within a week. We have people lined up sometimes before they even arrive. XT Tourings tend to sit a little longer especially in the unattractive colors like Sepia Bronze. But, ones that are White with Brown, sell almost instantly. I have a XT myself, traded my 11 STi hatch for it and this comes as a huge blow to me. There may be a saving grace, I think if we band together and enough people write carefully worded letters to SoA, maybe we can get them to release an achievable compromise. The Outback is due for a full resign for the 2020 model year, thus we have plenty of time for Subaru to really consider this proposal. Many expect the Outback to drop the 3.6 in favor of the Ascent's 2.4L Turbo. If they simply made this engine available at the Premium or a new "Sport" trim level that they like doing now, this could be a reasonable compromise. As of now, the 3.6 is only available at the Limited and Touring trims, making them pretty expensive. If they could make a Sport trim similar to the XT Premium, priced similarly I could live with that. Thoughts?
Many of us did this in 2014. We emailed SOA, as well as called. I spoke to several SOA employees and they weren’t happy with no hatch WRX/STI either. They couldn’t believe it. They also mentioned Levorg as a compromise. You see how well that worked.
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Old 03-31-2018, 03:10 PM   #52
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It's one of those colors that I don't want to like, but do.
Outside of my mandatory WRB(if I get a car with that option), I think it's the best color Subaru had ever made. And I've liked a few. I'm typically a blue guy. Just LOVE this color though.

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The major advantage Apple Car Play/Android Auto has over Star Link or any software made by the car manufacturer is the native support for Apps (ex..google maps). This includes being able to interact with your phone through the head unit in the car. Would not buy a new car without Apple Car Play/Android Auto.
Not on CP. Nor Waze!! Those are only on AA.


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The major advantage is that the updates for CarPlay / Android Auto are tied to Apple and Google, and not the car manufacturers. More updates, more features, faster.
I demonstrate CP all the time. AA less cause we have far fewer Android customers. But, CP is SLOW compared to Starlink for the things I want. Want to listen to Spotify? I can still due that via bluetooth. Wanna send a text? Apples can do that via the talk switch via bluetooth. Just about every time we do that stuff with CP, it is much slower responding. It IS nice being able to use Apple maps though. Siri understands locations better than TomTom does. But, I hate that when it gets plugged in, ALL car voice command functions are overridden. Sucks. I might change my mind IF I owned one, but for now, I'm not a full fan.

Android customers never know how to use their phones well enough to maximize AA. And since I have an iPhone and we don't get nearly as many Android users, it's hard to show it.
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Old 03-31-2018, 10:18 PM   #53
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Outside of my mandatory WRB(if I get a car with that option), I think it's the best color Subaru had ever made. And I've liked a few. I'm typically a blue guy. Just LOVE this color though.



Not on CP. Nor Waze!! Those are only on AA.




I demonstrate CP all the time. AA less cause we have far fewer Android customers. But, CP is SLOW compared to Starlink for the things I want. Want to listen to Spotify? I can still due that via bluetooth. Wanna send a text? Apples can do that via the talk switch via bluetooth. Just about every time we do that stuff with CP, it is much slower responding. It IS nice being able to use Apple maps though. Siri understands locations better than TomTom does. But, I hate that when it gets plugged in, ALL car voice command functions are overridden. Sucks. I might change my mind IF I owned one, but for now, I'm not a full fan.

Android customers never know how to use their phones well enough to maximize AA. And since I have an iPhone and we don't get nearly as many Android users, it's hard to show it.
Im up on my tech and demoed AA for my sales person as I played with it... adding stuff to my shopping list. Calendar.. send txt.. play playlist... maps.. waze.. etc..

Curious.. does starlink support other music apps like google play music? I dropped spotify years ago.
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The major advantage is that the updates for CarPlay / Android Auto are tied to Apple and Google, and not the car manufacturers. More updates, more features, faster.
This too. Car manufacturers love to upcharge for their ****ty and outdated navigation. In other news, BMW is charging a subscription fee (80 dollars a year) to use Apple Car Play in their cars
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Android customers never know how to use their phones well enough to maximize AA.


seems to be the opposite in my experience - the IOS users i know seem to barely grasp the concept of a smartphone, while the Android users have rooted their devices, installed custom ROMS, etc.
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This too. Car manufacturers love to upcharge for their ****ty and outdated navigation. In other news, BMW is charging a subscription fee (80 dollars a year) to use Apple Car Play in their cars
In the few instances I’ve had trouble with navigation sending me the wrong place it’s been Google that did. Subaru hasn’t done that to me yet. Do you have something I could reference to see how bad the new factory navigation systems are?
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Old 04-01-2018, 03:43 PM   #57
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Im up on my tech and demoed AA for my sales person as I played with it... adding stuff to my shopping list. Calendar.. send txt.. play playlist... maps.. waze.. etc..

Curious.. does starlink support other music apps like google play music? I dropped spotify years ago.

See. I wish we had more people like you around here. One or two of our sales people have an Android. I think they just don't care. And the customers just don't know.

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seems to be the opposite in my experience - the IOS users i know seem to barely grasp the concept of a smartphone, while the Android users have rooted their devices, installed custom ROMS, etc.

Hmm. Geographic?

I feel bad I can't show more about it to the customers that do have it.
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Old 04-01-2018, 03:46 PM   #58
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In the few instances I’ve had trouble with navigation sending me the wrong place it’s been Google that did. Subaru hasn’t done that to me yet. Do you have something I could reference to see how bad the new factory navigation systems are?

I don't think they are any more bad than anything else. I've been sent wrong on several different NAVs. Started out with Garmin and it was OK. Then got my first Subaru NAV and got used to it. Years later, they gave us Garmins to put on our fire equipment. Absolutely hate Garmin now.

I think the hate really stems from having to pay for updates when others don't charge.
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Old 04-01-2018, 04:54 PM   #59
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In the few instances I’ve had trouble with navigation sending me the wrong place it’s been Google that did. Subaru hasn’t done that to me yet. Do you have something I could reference to see how bad the new factory navigation systems are?
Happened to me several times using factory nav in the 2017 forester. Google maps has never been wrong for me and Ive been using it for many years.
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In the few instances I've had trouble with navigation sending me the wrong place it's been Google that did. Subaru hasn't done that to me yet. Do you have something I could reference to see how bad the new factory navigation systems are?
I currently own a 2017 Forester XT-Touring. For example, the navigation software can't find my own home (built in mid 2017). The point I believe that people are trying to make in this thread is that Apple Carplay and Android Auto both receive faster updates. I would much rather update my device in my own home rather than taking my car to a dealership to update their mapping software that may get updated once a year....

User experience may be subjective, but I find Apple Carplay interface much more intuitive and smooth than Starlink.
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I currently own a 2017 Forester XT-Touring. For example, the navigation software can't find my own home (built in mid 2017). The point I believe that people are trying to make in this thread is that Apple Carplay and Android Auto both receive faster updates. I would much rather update my device in my own home rather than taking my car to a dealership to update their mapping software that may get updated once a year....

User experience may be subjective, but I find Apple Carplay interface much more intuitive and smooth than Starlink.
I was less concerned with other people than I was with you. I wanted to know why you had an axe to grind. Real problems with systems exist, the MyFord system was garbage for example, update intervals are in a different category than the system being flat out bad. Thanks for your input.
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Old 04-02-2018, 02:25 AM   #62
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I currently own a 2017 Forester XT-Touring. For example, the navigation software can't find my own home (built in mid 2017). The point I believe that people are trying to make in this thread is that Apple Carplay and Android Auto both receive faster updates. I would much rather update my device in my own home rather than taking my car to a dealership to update their mapping software that may get updated once a year....

User experience may be subjective, but I find Apple Carplay interface much more intuitive and smooth than Starlink.

How long have you had your phone? You are used to it. If you played with Starlink more, you'd get used to it as well.

And you don't have to take the older NAVs to the dealership to update. Supposedly not even 3.0; but, they still haven't told us anything on that. Though, yes, updates, for some, are not quick enough.
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How long have you had your phone? You are used to it. If you played with Starlink more, you'd get used to it as well.

And you don't have to take the older NAVs to the dealership to update. Supposedly not even 3.0; but, they still haven't told us anything on that. Though, yes, updates, for some, are not quick enough.
I think it will always be crap compared to AA simply because of the hassle in entering addresses to its liking. Voice is useless for me on the subaru system... voice is nearly 100% perfect for AA in recognizing a location. Thats the difference in customers getting frustrated and not using it ever again.
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I currently own a 2017 Forester XT-Touring. For example, the navigation software can't find my own home (built in mid 2017). The point I believe that people are trying to make in this thread is that Apple Carplay and Android Auto both receive faster updates. I would much rather update my device in my own home rather than taking my car to a dealership to update their mapping software that may get updated once a year....

User experience may be subjective, but I find Apple Carplay interface much more intuitive and smooth than Starlink.
You don't have to take your car to the dealership to update the nav. My wife has a 2017 Forester Touring and a few months ago I got an email saying a new map was available. I downloaded it and saved it to an SD card then loaded it to the Nav using the SD card. Sure it's not as easy as getting updates to your phone but not difficult at all. I think that was the only free update I'll get though.

I have AA in my car and I like it but I don't use it all the time. Google maps is worlds better then the Subaru Nav, that's for sure. Whenever we are in my wife's car and have to use the nav it wants to send us out of our way. For instance we live about an hour south of Boston. If we're going up north and have to go through Boston the nav will without fail try to get us to take an exit and drive through downtown Boston instead of just staying on the highway. Granted there is almost always traffic going through Boston but there is absolutely no reason why you would want to get off the highway and then get back on.

I will say that I have an Android phone so I had never seen CP in person. My daughter has an iPhone and yesterday she plugged it into the USB in my car to charge. When the head unit came on it displayed the CP interface and it looked much better then AA. I was very confused at first because it looks so much different and I couldn't figure out how it got there until I remembered my daughter's phone was plugged in. When AA and CP get to the point where it can all be done by BT then it will be much better. Having to take my phone out of my pocket and plug it into the head unit every time is a pain.
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You don't have to take your car to the dealership to update the nav. My wife has a 2017 Forester Touring and a few months ago I got an email saying a new map was available. I downloaded it and saved it to an SD card then loaded it to the Nav using the SD card. Sure it's not as easy as getting updates to your phone but not difficult at all. I think that was the only free update I'll get though.

I have AA in my car and I like it but I don't use it all the time. Google maps is worlds better then the Subaru Nav, that's for sure. Whenever we are in my wife's car and have to use the nav it wants to send us out of our way. For instance we live about an hour south of Boston. If we're going up north and have to go through Boston the nav will without fail try to get us to take an exit and drive through downtown Boston instead of just staying on the highway. Granted there is almost always traffic going through Boston but there is absolutely no reason why you would want to get off the highway and then get back on.

I will say that I have an Android phone so I had never seen CP in person. My daughter has an iPhone and yesterday she plugged it into the USB in my car to charge. When the head unit came on it displayed the CP interface and it looked much better then AA. I was very confused at first because it looks so much different and I couldn't figure out how it got there until I remembered my daughter's phone was plugged in. When AA and CP get to the point where it can all be done by BT then it will be much better. Having to take my phone out of my pocket and plug it into the head unit every time is a pain.
You get three free updates. Once per year. The date per year depends on your cars birthday. So, if you do it each year on the anniversary of when you got it, you are good.

Try turning off the traffic(which you get free for 3 years along with Travelink) and/or adjusting route options. It might be trying to route you around backups. If you haven't got into the settings and changed that, it will automatically route you around something if it thinks it can save you 5 minutes. Go in and change that time. "Menu, More, Settings, Traffic", and then you'll see that 5min BS. I always change it to 20min if I get in a car. Also at the bottom, click the "check" asking if you want to give it permission to do it or it just does it automatically.

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You get three free updates. Once per year. The date per year depends on your cars birthday. So, if you do it each year on the anniversary of when you got it, you are good.

Try turning off the traffic(which you get free for 3 years along with Travelink) and/or adjusting route options. It might be trying to route you around backups. If you haven't got into the settings and changed that, it will automatically route you around something if it thinks it can save you 5 minutes. Go in and change that time. "Menu, More, Settings, Traffic", and then you'll see that 5min BS. I always change it to 20min if I get in a car. Also at the bottom, click the "check" asking if you want to give it permission to do it or it just does it automatically.
Thanks for the tips, I'll check it out. I do get the pop ups saying there's traffic and if I want to take a detour which I usually ignore since it's only a minute or 2 difference. I'll see about changing the setting for a longer time.
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My daughter has an iPhone and yesterday she plugged it into the USB in my car to charge. When the head unit came on it displayed the CP interface and it looked much better then AA. I was very confused at first because it looks so much different and I couldn't figure out how it got there until I remembered my daughter's phone was plugged in.
You are the second person Ive heard say that.. Ive seen both in person and don't get it.. the apple interface is a black "wallpaper" with squares for "apps".. something we've seen since the ipod touch came out in what.. 2006?
Meanwhile android auto has a nice wallpaper with color.. and more useful info on the screen and no square "app" icons. To me it looks years ahead of carplay. But that is also how I feel about VW cars (exterior already looks out of date and its still new on the lot) also and plenty disagree with me...
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That FB25DI needs to be in the Impreza Sport.

Can't believe they actually said, "... for a boost in everyday performance..." Two words don't belong in that sentence.

Every once in a while my AA really lags with initial connection. Yesterday I left my house and had to restart the car so AA could work. Not a big deal, as long as I get a stoplight. It has been connecting more consistently and faster since the last few updates, compared to when I first bought the car last May.
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That FB25DI needs to be in the Impreza Sport.

Can't believe they actually said, "... for a boost in everyday performance..." Two words don't belong in that sentence.

It would be nice if the Sport moniker actually meant something in terms of performance (ie. bigger engine). At least the Sport model on the new Impreza has torque vectoring, on my 2012 Sport basically meant roof rails and recycled Outback wheels.
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Silver lining kind of guy! I dig it! Lol

I guess I just don't see the harm in plopping that engine into one trim, charging extra, and seeing if people pick it up and also how it reviews. If they actually had a hard time keeping them on the lots, then you'd have your answer regarding the question, "Could it really use more power?"

Yes. Yes, it most certainly could.
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It would be nice if the Sport moniker actually meant something in terms of performance (ie. bigger engine). At least the Sport model on the new Impreza has torque vectoring, on my 2012 Sport basically meant roof rails and recycled Outback wheels.
I agree. I don't mind the minimal redesign. However, losing the performance of the XT model has me looking elsewhere for a future vehicle purchase.
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How long have you had your phone? You are used to it. If you played with Starlink more, you'd get used to it as well.

And you don't have to take the older NAVs to the dealership to update. Supposedly not even 3.0; but, they still haven't told us anything on that. Though, yes, updates, for some, are not quick enough.
This has nothing to do with how familiar I am with using a phone or car interface. However, if you want some context. I have a total of about 3 years using star link in a 16 WRX and 17 XT-F. There are many nuances with Starlink that CarPlay or AA does much better.

-Navigation
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Antiquated is probably the word I would use to describe Starlinks update process. Really glad Subaru has started integrating both AA and CP into their cars. The only negative I can think of with AA or CP is having to plug in the device to interface with the car(Bluetooth data limitation).
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Pretty sad that there will be no turbo offering and my Crosstrek lease ends in 2019. I've owned a 12 Impreza, 15 WRX and my wife has a 15 Outback 2.5 Limited. I think I'm going for the Volvo XC40 the next time around....
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This has nothing to do with how familiar I am with using a phone or car interface. However, if you want some context. I have a total of about 3 years using star link in a 16 WRX and 17 XT-F. There are many nuances with Starlink that CarPlay or AA does much better.

-Navigation
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Antiquated is probably the word I would use to describe Starlinks update process. Really glad Subaru has started integrating both AA and CP into their cars. The only negative I can think of with AA or CP is having to plug in the device to interface with the car(Bluetooth data limitation).

With that I agree. You don't have the full suite of apps Starlink is supposed to have. The thing that angers me is when this system came out, they were like "You know how old systems were outdated basically within a year or so? Well, this system can be upgraded.....". Yeah, well, it HAS been upgraded for the 2018 WRX and Forester to have all 14 cloud based apps, but, have been told the previous model years CAN'T be updated cause the head unit is made by a different manufacturer. I can't find that proof cause when you go in and look at it's "versions", all that looks the same. What you have IS annoying and don't disagree at all about CP/AA being better. ESPECIALLY for the upgrade abilities cause I now assume that even the 2018s that have proper Starlink won't be supported later.
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Pretty sad that there will be no turbo offering and my Crosstrek lease ends in 2019. I've owned a 12 Impreza, 15 WRX and my wife has a 15 Outback 2.5 Limited. I think I'm going for the Volvo XC40 the next time around....
I've always wanted to own a WRX, but what the future holds, probably not practical for me in the next 4-5 years. I don't see anything in the Subaru lineup that interests me, I will probably be looking at other brands as well.
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