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Old 02-04-2008, 08:10 PM   #1
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Default why did subaru wrc go back to Pirelli?

I see that they are back with the teams I thought they had a contract with BF Goodrich tires? I thought Pirelli sucked??
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:20 PM   #2
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Control tire. Everyone is on Pirelli this year.
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:53 PM   #3
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Whoa how things change... What's up with Pirelli now? They are the control tire for Rolex too.
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:56 PM   #4
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Its simple politics man, Pirelli pulled some major pork to kill all the other tyre makers in the WRC.. and 'reduce cost and level the field' with a control tire that everybody has to use.

Its that old phrase 'It takes money to make money' and they probably poured so much money down the FIA's pockets that they had no choice.
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Old 02-04-2008, 09:50 PM   #5
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Its simple politics man, Pirelli pulled some major pork to kill all the other tyre makers in the WRC.. and 'reduce cost and level the field' with a control tire that everybody has to use.

Its that old phrase 'It takes money to make money' and they probably poured so much money down the FIA's pockets that they had no choice.
BF Goodrich is owned by Michelin, and Michelin and the FIA do not get along. So that's why they lost out to supply the control tire for F1 and WRC.
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Old 02-04-2008, 10:52 PM   #6
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What I want to see if privateers running BF Goodrich tires winning multiple events just to spite Pirelli and their control tire.
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:09 PM   #7
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What I want to see if privateers running BF Goodrich tires winning multiple events just to spite Pirelli and their control tire.


All priority drivers in AWD vehicles in WRC events have to use the control tire.

Pretty much the only way to not have to run a control tire is to be a complete nOOb that the FIA thinks will be hours behind the front runners...
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Old 02-05-2008, 08:51 PM   #8
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Thanks for the info
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:26 PM   #9
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Pretty much the only way to not have to run a control tire is to be a complete nOOb that the FIA thinks will be hours behind the front runners...
Sweet, I can use what I want then!
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Old 02-06-2008, 01:59 AM   #10
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All priority drivers in AWD vehicles in WRC events have to use the control tire.

Pretty much the only way to not have to run a control tire is to be a complete nOOb that the FIA thinks will be hours behind the front runners...
Like, IIRC, Rally Japan, with privateers not only in the points, but on the podium.
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Old 02-06-2008, 02:07 AM   #11
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Along with the money that Pirelli dumped into FIA's pockets, they also dumped a ton into tire development. The drivers seem to be happy with the new tires.....at least at Monte Carlo.
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:05 AM   #12
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Like, IIRC, Rally Japan, with privateers not only in the points, but on the podium.

I don't think you quite understand what I was getting at.

Look at the Mexico entry list: http://www.rallymexico.com/pdf/EntriesMx08.pdf

The only entrant higher than 24 on the entry list that doesn't have a priority is Trivino, a wealthy Mexican national that I don't believe has ever finished in the top 15, let alone the points.

Beyond that the only proven international driver is Jan Kopeky that isn't listed with a priority or seed, and he is normally a seeded driver so I would imagine that the FIA will list him by the time the event starts.

All the JWRC entrants, and I believe all priority drivers really, must run the control tire as well. Your best hope for a non-control tire would be Trivino or if Kopeky doesn't receive a seed/priority ranking.
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Old 02-06-2008, 08:01 PM   #13
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Default The new Pirelli tires for Sweden .

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Old 02-06-2008, 09:02 PM   #14
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flippin sweet.

I'll take 4! ....Utah....FOUR!
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Old 02-06-2008, 09:09 PM   #15
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Also no moose insert this year. It will be interesting how this rule plays out on the rough gravel stages where there were many guys relying on the moose last season to carry them through a stage.
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:03 AM   #16
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I think you mean mousse.

Hard to fit a moose in a tire! ;-)

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Old 02-07-2008, 12:06 AM   #17
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Yeah, never seen the word in print so I just guessed at the spelling.
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:15 AM   #18
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No worries! Was just picturing a moose....anyway-made me chuckle! ;-)

On the thread. The mousse issue will definitely have an impact this season. It already has in Monte Carlo.

Cheers! John
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:18 AM   #19
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i was what? they pull the cars with a moose...haha

silly billy me!
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Old 02-07-2008, 10:11 AM   #20
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I don't think you quite understand what I was getting at.

Look at the Mexico entry list: http://www.rallymexico.com/pdf/EntriesMx08.pdf

The only entrant higher than 24 on the entry list that doesn't have a priority is Trivino, a wealthy Mexican national that I don't believe has ever finished in the top 15, let alone the points.

Beyond that the only proven international driver is Jan Kopeky that isn't listed with a priority or seed, and he is normally a seeded driver so I would imagine that the FIA will list him by the time the event starts.

All the JWRC entrants, and I believe all priority drivers really, must run the control tire as well. Your best hope for a non-control tire would be Trivino or if Kopeky doesn't receive a seed/priority ranking.
it's Kopecky not Kopeky
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Old 02-07-2008, 11:12 AM   #21
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it's Kopecky not Kopeky


You damn central Europeans and noticing my bad spelling of non-anglo names...


D'oh.
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Old 02-07-2008, 11:48 AM   #22
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You damn central Europeans and noticing my bad spelling of non-anglo names...


D'oh.
you be thankfull we're not hindu
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:31 AM   #23
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speaking of control tire (old but awesome)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTjivZmVLXs
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