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Old 05-27-2022, 01:01 PM   #6926
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Gearing. If you want fast 0-60 times just get some vanilla automatic CUV, better yet a Tesla. Both can drive you much quicker 0-60 than a manual performance sedan.
https://media.subaru.com/download.do?id=1846

Gearing between manual VA and VB is pretty much the same in 1st, 2nd and 6th.
Ratios have only been altered from 3rd to 5th. Final drive is the same 4.111.
Then, we will have to look at wheel/tire diameter to get precise top speed figures in each gear.
But, obviously, the lower FA24DIT redline is the elephant in the room here.

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VB = 1st 3.455, 2nd 1.947, 3rd 1.367, 4th 1.029, 5th 0.825, 6th 0.667. final 4.111
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:05 PM   #6927
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https://media.subaru.com/download.do?id=1846

Gearing between manual VA and VB is pretty much the same in 1st, 2nd and 6th.
Ratios have only been altered from 3rd to 5th. Final drive is the same 4.111.
Then, we will have to look at wheel/tire diameter to get precise top speed figures in each gear.
But, obviously, the lower FA24DIT redline is the elephant in the room here.

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VA = 1st 3.454, 2nd 1.947, 3rd 1.296, 4th 0.972, 5th 0.780, 6th 0.666. final 4.111
VB = 1st 3.455, 2nd 1.947, 3rd 1.367, 4th 1.029, 5th 0.825, 6th 0.667. final 4.111
He was comparing it to a 2010 WRX, not the VA. What you posted has already been said many times in this thread.

"In the video, we cover the WRX's performance test results. In brief, this WRX posted a slightly quicker quarter-mile result than the last model we tested, despite being heavier. (Note: we have seen quicker results from previous WRXs of the same generation.) While the 60-mph acceleration was a few tenths of a second slower, that's because the lower redline requires a shift to third gear to reach that speed."

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Old 05-27-2022, 01:17 PM   #6928
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So still more than a half of a second off the pace of a 2010 WRX. Progress?
Progress is subjective. Having owned an Ď11 since new until my Ď22, even after tuning the Ď11, Iíd say the Ď22 is unquestionably the better car. If you only care about 0-60, well, WRX isnít for you. The extra 2-3 shift accounts for -~0.5 seconds, and Iíll take the 6MT over the 5 every day.
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:19 PM   #6929
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He was comparing it to a 2010 WRX, not the VA. What you posted has already been said many times in this thread.

"In the video, we cover the WRX's performance test results. In brief, this WRX posted a slightly quicker quarter-mile result than the last model we tested, despite being heavier. (Note: we have seen quicker results from previous WRXs of the same generation.) While the 60-mph acceleration was a few tenths of a second slower, that's because the lower redline requires a shift to third gear to reach that speed."

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-is-this-last/
I got that. But, you started your sentence with "Gearing.".
You should have started with "Lower redline.". No?
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:25 PM   #6930
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I got that. But, you started your sentence with "Gearing.".
You should have started with "Lower redline.". No?
I agree a higher redline would be nice. Hereís to hoping tuning can free up some revs. That said, myopic focus on 0-60 isÖ short sighted.
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:34 PM   #6931
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I agree a higher redline would be nice. Hereís to hoping tuning can free up some revs. That said, myopic focus on 0-60 isÖ short sighted.
I don't care about 0-60; but the question is why Subaru lowered redline given stroke and rod-to-stroke are the same?
That's what we should ask ourselves.
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:52 PM   #6932
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I don't care about 0-60; but the question is why Subaru lowered redline given stroke and rod-to-stroke are the same?
That's what we should ask ourselves.
It's a good question. Perhaps the lower redline was baked in to differentiate from STI before it was axed but after it was too late to change for 22. (Edit -- what a mess that was. Tough message and timing, but the execution was terrible, and I wouldn't be surprised by fallout like this.) There seems to be lots of untapped potential, so here's to hoping tuning can uncork it. Still, it's a great drive as is.

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Old 05-27-2022, 02:02 PM   #6933
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I don't care about 0-60; but the question is why Subaru lowered redline given stroke and rod-to-stroke are the same?
That's what we should ask ourselves.
IMO, it is possible that the STi was still on the table at the time the finalized the specs for the WRX so given that the two were going to share the FA24, they held it back in the WRX.
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Old 05-28-2022, 02:55 PM   #6934
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Let's just hope some of the R&D on the STI wasn't totally wasted and we see some of the parts transition over to the WRX. Granted, I doubt there will be any engine changes, or at least nothing significant. A few minor suspension components and brakes will be nice. I'm thinking similarly to how the 2022 Civic Si carried over a few parts from the Type R that made a difference in feel and performance.

I'll hold out for a performance pack version.

I wonder if the aftermarket will sell paint matched cladding anytime soon, and at what cost. I don't care about the bumpers or side skirts.



I'm not sure if this has been shared or not. It's pretty old. But, Jalopnik has been quick to criticize the WRX in the past, including calling the FA among the top 10 worst sounding engines of all time, so I found this interesting.

https://jalopnik.com/the-2022-subaru...son-1847709326

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Old 05-29-2022, 12:15 AM   #6935
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'22 Premium with Std. Trans.

In vicinity of the rear view mirror there appears to be a camera. Anyone know what it's for?

The folks that always tint my windows refused to do the windshield, apparently Subaru says there's trouble ahead if water gets anywhere near the dash or mirror.
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Old 05-29-2022, 12:59 AM   #6936
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'22 Premium with Std. Trans.

In vicinity of the rear view mirror there appears to be a camera. Anyone know what it's for?

The folks that always tint my windows refused to do the windshield, apparently Subaru says there's trouble ahead if water gets anywhere near the dash or mirror.
Iím guessing thatís the for the high beam assist feature. Assuming itís in the premium. Works great on my limited.
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Old 05-29-2022, 01:30 AM   #6937
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Iím guessing thatís the for the high beam assist feature. Assuming itís in the premium. Works great on my limited.
Ok, thanks. I don't have "Eyesight" but maybe the highbeam auto dim is still functional
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Old 05-29-2022, 01:41 AM   #6938
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Ok, thanks. I don't have "Eyesight" but maybe the highbeam auto dim is still functional
My manual doesnít have eyesight either, but high beam assist works. I believe eyesight has stereo cameras on either side of the mirror, which my car definitely does not have.
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Old 05-30-2022, 10:24 AM   #6939
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OK.
Yes, I have a lot of bias.
Yes, I really like the HTCVT in the FXT/WRX.
Yes, I understand the cooling shortcomings of the HTCVT and hopefully they have addressed that.

WITH that said, I just finally got to drive a SPT. And, with no surprise, I like it. In Intelligent mode, on full push, it hesitates for a very brief moment(doing it's job), then lights up and you are going. Sport mode seemed to have a similar delay; and, as such, I didn't want to waste time messing with Sport mode too much. S# mode? . Very sensitive throttle. This much push and it's really going. A SLIGHT pull back on the throttle and it's letting off. Hard to explain that one. I can't wait to own one and get that down. In "normal" driving, it holds "gear" till 3K and will shift. Slowing down, it will downshift at 2K. Just like the HTCVT, I kept going for a clutch as it felt like a MT while in S#. I didn't mess with manual mode because......why? It's manual mode. I know the MT folks it doesn't matter. This thing could go 0-60 4 seconds faster and get 10MPG more than a MT and they still wouldn't want it. But, for those with the HTCVT contemplating getting one, or just anyone wanting the SPT, I doubt they'll be disappointed.
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Old 05-30-2022, 10:53 AM   #6940
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Progress is subjective. Having owned an Ď11 since new until my Ď22, even after tuning the Ď11, Iíd say the Ď22 is unquestionably the better car. If you only care about 0-60, well, WRX isnít for you. The extra 2-3 shift accounts for -~0.5 seconds, and Iíll take the 6MT over the 5 every day.
So you are saying a brand new car is better than an 11 year old car? In other news the sky is blue.
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If you care about ______ the WRX isn't for you.
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Old 05-30-2022, 04:05 PM   #6942
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If you care about ______ the WRX isn't for you.
It's easier to quantify who the WRX is for rather than who it's not for. It's a car for die hard Subaru fans. It's not for everyone else.
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Old 05-30-2022, 05:29 PM   #6943
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It's easier to quantify who the WRX is for rather than who it's not for. It's a car for die hard Subaru fans. It's not for everyone else.
If it wasn't so damn ugly I would have traded my STI in for one.
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Old 05-30-2022, 05:36 PM   #6944
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It's easier to quantify who the WRX is for rather than who it's not for. It's a car for die hard Subaru fans. It's not for everyone else.
Huh ? It is the only AWD performance sedan that offers a manual at this price point. It has been a great sales success for Subaru. Tons of enthusiasts are upgrading from other brands if you follow FB or 2022 subreddit. This forum is dead and this thread is really for entertainment purposes only. In reality, the 2022 WRX is a huge success already and it will continue to be so whether you like it or not.
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If it wasn't so damn ugly I would have traded my STI in for one.
Yes but you aren't a die hard Subaru fanboy. If you were, you would have traded in your STI and forcibly convinced yourself to believe that the new car is great looking. We have seen some posters here do just that.
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Old 05-31-2022, 09:31 AM   #6946
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If it wasn't so damn ugly I would have traded my STI in for one.
I traded a STI for a WRX once. 0/10 do not recommend.
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Old 05-31-2022, 10:36 AM   #6947
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Yes but you aren't a die hard Subaru fanboy. If you were, you would have traded in your STI and forcibly convinced yourself to believe that the new car is great looking. We have seen some posters here do just that.
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I talked a boat load of crap on the WRX, and in its current form, I won't buy it. But, it seems like a lot of automotive journalists really like the new WRX. There are negative reviews out there, but the majority of them seem positive.
That's just automotive journalism. It takes a profound drop in quality or performance or feel for them to say anything negative. You often need to read between the lines.


C&D finally dropped their performance test review of the WRX online yesterday (been in print since the May 22 issue dropped back in April).

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

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There is a refreshing honesty to the new Subaru WRX. It continues to be a clear descendant of the bug-eyed example enthusiasts fell in love with 20 years ago. Subaru has remained true to the original formula, giving the new one a turbocharged flat-four, all-wheel drive, a standard manual transmission, and bear-hugging front seats. The engine still warbles when the weather is cold, and the suspension, though slightly softer than before, occasionally punishes. It's a hot-rod economy car. It doesn't even have adjustable drive modes. Don't like the way Subaru set it up? Modify it yourself, or don't buy it. How refreshing indeed.

[...]

Despite the bump from 2.0 liters to 2.4, the turbo still hits a little late and with an abruptness that middle-aged drivers might not appreciate. Younger folks, however, might like it.
It's so honest.. uhh.. don't buy one. It's not too hard to see what they're really getting at.

The test data is interesting. The 5-60 of 6.7s is exactly 0.5s slower than the Accord Sport 2.0 with a manual (that extra shift from the low redline strikes again). Obviously, the tires are what differentiate the two cars on a skidpad and braking performance: Accord Sport is wearing 500 treadwear M+S Primacys while the WRX has 200 treadwear summer Dunlops.

The WRX MSRP is also $4k higher than the Accord's and will cost significantly more to maintain and fuel up... and for what? AWD? I can buy several sets of dedicated wheels and tires for the track and winter for $4k. The WRX is still going to need a set of winters, too.


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Old 05-31-2022, 01:31 PM   #6949
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So still more than a half of a second off the pace of a 2010 WRX. Progress?
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Progress is subjective. Having owned an Ď11 since new until my Ď22, even after tuning the Ď11, Iíd say the Ď22 is unquestionably the better car. If you only care about 0-60, well, WRX isnít for you. The extra 2-3 shift accounts for -~0.5 seconds, and Iíll take the 6MT over the 5 every day.
Yes, progress.

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So you are saying a brand new car is better than an 11 year old car? In other news the sky is blue.
ObViOuSlY, LULZ!

Hey mods, will there be a FB 2.4L turbo technical section? Conversations like this are a bummer. NASIOC used to be useful, but for the '22 it's nearly universal trolling and bashing here in N&R.
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