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Old 09-09-2019, 12:13 PM   #651
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Great race. Stewards got everything right in my opinion. FIA though need to find a better solution to inform the drivers what is coming now that a Halo completely blinds them. Perhaps a light on their steering wheel, like the blue flag light, would be ideal. Although they are trying their best to not beach themselves. These simple, older, and punishing tracks are best for this sport.

Leclrec just became a God in Italy.

I was excitingly watching the timing board to see Russel almost come in front of Vettel and Raikkonen.

Mercedes were cautious to not blow up an engine trying to match the Ferrari pace.
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Because Bottas is meh. Dude still has zero killer instinct. Bottas 2.0


Leclerc had a great drive. Dude was killing it every Parabolica - seemed like he went quite a bit wider than the mercs and used all of the track up until his right side tires were just about over the white line. Then the Ferrari was just super fast on the straight. Mercedes needed Red Bull's babby sized wings to keep up.

Leclerc definitely swerved to block Ham late after Leclerc locked up into the chicane and went off. Glad he didn't get a penalty though.
That's a bit unfair. BOT tyres were already halfway through their useful life, unlike HAM who had the benefit of brand new tyres. He did make a few mistakes which ruined any chance he had and couldn't hound LEC like HAM was able to.

Yeah, LEC used the track to his advantage. He knew exactly where he was vulnerable and did a masterful job to position himself to defuse first HAM and then BOT attack on him.

He was a little shaky earlier, especially with him cutting the first chicane, and then making that move on HAM - though it was right on the edge and I appreciate the stewards NOT calling it.

glad this is out of the way.

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Great race. Stewards got everything right in my opinion. FIA though need to find a better solution to inform the drivers what is coming now that a Halo completely blinds them. Perhaps a light on their steering wheel, like the blue flag light, would be ideal. Although they are trying their best to not beach themselves. These simple, older, and punishing tracks are best for this sport.

Leclrec just became a God in Italy.

I was excitingly watching the timing board to see Russel almost come in front of Vettel and Raikkonen.

Mercedes were cautious to not blow up an engine trying to match the Ferrari pace.
Agree - going back to it - what VET did was really dangerous - he was OFF track and coming back on. STR was on track and came back on racing line. IMO both should have waited till given the all clear - and I'm in support of some system which allows for it. Surprised it's not already in place given that the team does and can inform them of traffic behind them.

And also agree on the MER trying to conserve that engine - they did (IIRC) give BOT the approval to turn it up when mounting a challenge on LEC.
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Old 09-13-2019, 06:25 PM   #653
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I know I'm late to the party, just got back into town.

Just wanted to share my photo from Sundays podium

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Old 09-16-2019, 08:42 AM   #654
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That's a bit unfair. BOT tyres were already halfway through their useful life, unlike HAM who had the benefit of brand new tyres. He did make a few mistakes which ruined any chance he had and couldn't hound LEC like HAM was able to.
Nah, he's been that way his entire career at Mercedes. He's a wingman and nothing more. He doesn't have that killer instinct to go for it. Or he just lacks the talent to do it. Either way, second fiddle is all he'll ever be for Mercedes. He's definitely nowhere near what Rosberg was for them.
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Nah, he's been that way his entire career at Mercedes. He's a wingman and nothing more. He doesn't have that killer instinct to go for it. Or he just lacks the talent to do it. Either way, second fiddle is all he'll ever be for Mercedes. He's definitely nowhere near what Rosberg was for them.
I 100% agree with you here, but I still stand by my statement. His challenge was far tougher than HAM's - made even tougher by the mistakes - which may explain why he doesn't have the killer instinct - he bins it when he goes into that mode.
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Old 09-16-2019, 04:55 PM   #656
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I know I'm late to the party, just got back into town.

Just wanted to share my photo from Sundays podium

Now that's an experience!
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:49 AM   #657
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Hmmmm!

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/g...nberg/4543516/

The Haas Formula 1 team will field an unchanged driver line-up in 2020, having opted to retain Romain Grosjean alongside Kevin Magnussen.
Grosjean, who has been with the American outfit since it joined F1 in 2016, faced doubts over his continued involvement with Haas beyond 2019, as team boss Gunther Steiner confirmed the likes of Esteban Ocon - now signed for Renault - and Nico Hulkenberg were candidates to take his spot.

However, it's been decided the Frenchman will remain part of Haas' F1 roster for a fifth straight season and will continue to partner Magnussen, whose contract already ran through 2020.

"Iíve always stated that it was my desire to remain with Haas F1 Team and keep building on the teamís accomplishments,Ē said Grosjean.


"Having been here since the very beginning and seen the work both Gene Haas and Gunther Steiner put into the team to make it competitive, Iím naturally very happy to continue to be a part of that. To finish fifth in the constructorsí championship last season in only the teamís third year of competing was something very special.

"Weíve had our challenges this season, but weíll use both the experience of last year and this year to move forward into 2020. Iím looking forward to working with Kevin and the whole team and continuing our journey together."

Haas has opted for driver continuity despite a difficult 2019 campaign so far, as its VF-19 challenger has proved fast over one lap but not competitive enough on longer runs, which the team has partly put down to its struggles with 2019-spec Pirelli rubber.

The outfit, which recently parted ways with title sponsor Rich Energy, currently occupies the penultimate ninth spot in the constructors' championship.

"Experience, and the need for it, has been one of the cornerstones of Haas F1 Team, and with Romain Grosjean and Kevin Magnussen racing for the team in 2020, we continue to have a driver lineup that offers us a solid platform to continue our growth," Steiner said.

"Their understanding of how we work as a team, and our knowledge of what they can deliver behind the wheel, gives us a valued continuity and a strong foundation to keep building our team around.

"Itís been a tough year for us in 2019 with the fluctuation in performance of the VF-19, but our ability to tap into our combined experiences will help us learn, improve, and move forward as a unit in 2020."

Grosjean's new deal comes as a blow to Hulkenberg's chances of staying on the F1 grid, with the German having been dropped by Renault in favour of Ocon.

Hulkenberg has been positioned as an outside contender for a Red Bull-Honda drive, but Alfa Romeo now appears his most plausible option, should it decide to replace rookie Antonio Giovinazzi.

If this does not materialise, however, the 32-year-old is likely to find himself out of grand prix racing after nine full seasons in the championship.

Looks like the Hulk is out of F1.
Any other options left? Sauber?
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Damn you Haas.

Grossjeans needs to go.


Also Kubica is retiring from F1 at the end of this season
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:34 AM   #659
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Kimi and Hulk at Sauber would be solid. Giovinazzi hasn't exactly been good. Or even ok
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Guenther Steiner reason for keeping Grosjean:

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/4...er-hulkenberg/


Guenther Steiner says the desire for greater continuity pushed Haas to retain Romain Grosjean in 2020, rather than make an approach for Nico Hulkenberg.

Confirmation of Esteban Ocon replacing Hulkenberg at Renault freed the German to discuss with rival teams, with his experience and strong showings in the midfield likely to tempt many teams.

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With Haas enduring a miserable 2019 season in which they have struggled to understand their car, they had been tipped to seek a change of fortunes by drafting in Hulkenberg, but Grosjean was confirmed ahead of the Singapore GP.

Giving the Frenchman the chance to prove himself away from the distractions of 2019's woes was a key factor in Haas' decision, Steiner explained.

"It was a close call, you know, because they are both very good drivers and I hope Nico stays in F1. I like him and he's a good driver," Steiner said.

"But in the end we decided to stay with Romain. He is with the team for four years, we know his highs and his lows. We know on a good day he's a very good driver. He knows the team very well.

"The biggest reason is our car this year is not performing as we want it to perform - which in the end has nothing to do with the drivers we've got at the moment. It's the car, we're very conscious about that.

"Now changing the driver, I don't know if it would help us make the car better. It could, but it could also not. Because the new guy wouldn't know where we start off.

"Romain was a big part of getting the understanding of why we are wrong with the car at the moment. He was a big help. And we didn't want to have any more unknowns or risks."


It remains to be seen if Hulkenberg will remain in F1 and Steiner revealed that he had not in fact received an offer from Haas.

"In the end, I want to clarify that - we decided to take Romain but I don't know if Nico would've come," he said.

"We spoke but we never made a formal offer. So I don't know if he would've accepted or not, that you need to ask him."
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Damn you Haas.

Grossjeans needs to go.


Also Kubica is retiring from F1 at the end of this season


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Word is Gio is being retained but nothing confirmed yet. Which is kind of a bummer, even though I've been rooting for him. Like you said, he's struggling to reach "ok" levels of performance. Kimi and Hulk would be a far stronger pairing but I don't see it happening if Ferrari have say over the 2nd Alfa seat.

Good move for Kub. He's getting crushed by a rookie but managed to get back on the grid and score a point after a near-fatal crash 8 years ago. Proud of him and wish him well in the future.
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If Haas has such problems with managing their tires, they should just 5-stop their races. Yeah, it sucks that they can't make their tires work, but it doesn't help that they always try the one stop strategy - that just keeps them on a tire that they know doesn't work, for half the race.

Also, as far as keeping Grosjean, he always was fast over one lap, but couldn't hold it together for a whole race. That's how he was at Renault, often out-qualifying Kimi in the same car, but at the end of the race, it was usually Kimi with something like a 6th-8th place finish, and Grosjean with a DNF or a 13th trying to come back from a mid-race off. I believe he has speed, and to that end he might be helpful with car setup, but he has proven that he doesn't race well.

I'd love to see Hulk pair with Kimi, that would be a very solid team.

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If people don't like 1 stop races, I can't help but think that Bannon tire warmers won't discourage them at all.
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The beauty of strategy is it makes the dumb look like a mistake.

This has all gotten quite convoluted. I for one am a bit surprised Magnussen wasn't enough continuity.

I'm guessing Gio is some combo of paid/sponsored to be there? (iirc)

Doesn't help that he doesn't seem worth the effort, results wise.

Leman's winners getting booted out/leaving left and right? interdasting.
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If Haas has such problems with managing their tires, they should just 5-stop their races. Yeah, it sucks that they can't make their tires work, but it doesn't help that they always try the one stop strategy - that just keeps them on a tire that they know doesn't work, for half the race.
wait, that's just too much common sense.

Also terrible idea keeping Grosjean - I like him as a driver - but he is pitiful in the HAAS.

Also Hulk in the HAAS would be a career ender.

Someone fix Williams - that's a ****show. Maybe they should make a play for Ron Dennis.
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Maybe they need a younger Patrick Head to counter and balance Claire.

Also, it appears Hulk's F1 career may be over, hard to say Haas would do that given the current assumed alternative. Maybe he slots into Robert's seat but I don't see it.
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Williamseseseses downfall started in 2004. They picked up a bit with the Merc engines and Massa/Bottas, and there's the fluke win for Crashtor.
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Williamseseseses downfall started in 2004. They picked up a bit with the Merc engines and Massa/Bottas, and there's the fluke win for Crashtor.
sounds about right. They've been irrelevant ever since.
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Maybe they need a younger Patrick Head to counter and balance Claire.

Also, it appears Hulk's F1 career may be over, hard to say Haas would do that given the current assumed alternative. Maybe he slots into Robert's seat but I don't see it.
Oh - I completely forgot about HUL being in the running for the #2 FER seat back before RAI took it.

I think FER should jump at this. HUL is a solid #2 and a great car development guy. With a clear difference between him and LEC, it makes a lot more sense. It also eliminates any chances of drama and allows FER to put most of their focus into developing a car and clearly supporting a #1 driver.

In case it wasn't clear, I think VET in the FER is a cancer for them.
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Was prepared to eat Crow on the VET statement, but LEC demonstrates that the sooner FER moves away from VET the better.

Amazing performance from FER pulling a MER with a surprising pole and almost a front row lock out
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The grid:

Leclerc Ferrari 1:36.217 117.758 mph
2 Hamilton Mercedes 1:36.408 0.191
3 Vettel Ferrari 1:36.437 0.220
4 Verstappen Red Bull 1:36.813 0.596
5 Bottas Mercedes 1:37.146 0.929
6 Albon Red Bull 1:37.411 1.194
7 Sainz McLaren 1:37.818 1.601
8 Ricciardo Renault 1:38.095 1.878
9 Hulkenberg Renault 1:38.264 2.047
10 Norris McLaren 1:38.329 2.112
11 Perez Racing Point 1:38.620
12 Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo 1:38.697
13 Gasly Toro Rosso 1:38.699
14 Raikkonen Alfa Romeo 1:38.858
15 Magnussen Haas 1:39.650
16 Kvyat Toro Rosso 1:39.957
17 Stroll Racing Point 1:39.979
18 Grosjean Haas 1:40.277
19 Russell Williams 1:40.867
20 Kubica Williams 1:41.186

Riccardo is DQ from quali. and will start from the back of grid
Red Bull will decide between Gasly and Albon for '20 Red Bull seat.
Looks like Williams or bust for the Hulk next season.

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Well damm, Vettel finally wins a race !
And a Ferrari 1-2.
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Well damm, Vettel finally wins a race !
And a Ferrari 1-2.
Too bad they weren't like this from the beginning of the season. See how long Ferrari can keep their act together (though would rather see LEC racking up the wins) from here on out.
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Only saw the ending. Leclerc looked pretty pissed.
Looks like Ferrari cost him a win.
1st 3 in a row for Ferrai since 2008.
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