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Old 12-17-2008, 01:57 PM   #251
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:26 AM   #252
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I have two EZ30 R engines I'd like to sell. Bought from gruppe-s, plans changed and they are just sitting in my garage taking up space. If I barged in on your thread I appologize. This seemed like the most appropriate thread to post on. Thanks
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Old 12-24-2008, 09:04 AM   #253
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I have two EZ30 R engines I'd like to sell. Bought from gruppe-s, plans changed and they are just sitting in my garage taking up space. If I barged in on your thread I appologize. This seemed like the most appropriate thread to post on. Thanks
No no by all means good place. People looking here might be more opt to pick it up and help out another memeber. Or just get a spare motor to mess around with. I know I'm interested in a spare. PM me what you're looking to get for one. Also did you end up getting any other parts before changing gears? I'm still in the process of getting mine running so you might have a part I don't have and have yet to find. Let me know and I'll check with a few people see if they might be interested too.
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Old 12-24-2008, 03:29 PM   #254
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Thanks for the reply. Here's the skinny on the motors - Honestly I'd like to sell for what I have into them unfortunately, I don't know what the market is like on these things. I see the early version of the EZ30 on ebay for over 2k, (but it doesn't mean they are selling them). I bought these EZ30R engines from gruppe-s and they did not have any extras (alt, brackets etc.) but the engines are supposed to be very low hour according to those guys and they look like they haven't even been in a car. No oil stains just some coolant residue on the top probably from when they pulled them out of the cars. On the engine without brackets and dbw throttle body I'd like to get $1800. On the Engine with brackets and throttle body $ 2000. (plus shipping cost). I hope that is close to fair market. I bought brackets for one engine. The brackets and tensioner pulley were over $ 300 alone with new bolts too. It still would need one idler bearing to make that system complete. I also have 2 new alternators that I'll sell with each of the engines for an extra $100.00 . I do have flywheel for one of the motors as well. Leak down test on one of the engines was : # 1. 15 % 2. 12 % 3. 12 % 4. 5 % 5. 12 % 6. 15 % -
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:23 AM   #255
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Bumpity.
Finally got my EZ30D powered XT-6 on a Dyno.. 188 HP and 181 Tq woo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoVdxqtOalw

It has a strange fueling/power thing going on right about 3300 RPMs and was wondering if any other EZ swapper have had any issues. The car almost feels turbo charged due to a power drop and increase about then. I'll try and find a scanner to get a better pic.


The upper line is TQ and lower HP. Black is the A/F. It starts heading lean and then shoots rich, as it does it has a momentary power lapse. I'm guessing mine is probably just broken. Thoughts?

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Old 01-31-2009, 08:59 PM   #256
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WTF?! I randomly came across this the other day. So what's the deal? http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ight=cobb+ez30
If Cobb is still working with engines and stuff by the time I get to actually building my engine I just may want to go with this. So has anyone else even seen this before? I want to see more info.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:51 AM   #257
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Bumpity.
Finally got my EZ30D powered XT-6 on a Dyno.. 188 HP and 181 Tq woo.
Is that a Dynojet? Just trying to get a feel for numbers.

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It has a strange fueling/power thing going on right about 3300 RPMs and was wondering if any other EZ swapper have had any issues. The car almost feels turbo charged due to a power drop and increase about then. I'll try and find a scanner to get a better pic.

The upper line is TQ and lower HP. Black is the A/F. It starts heading lean and then shoots rich, as it does it has a momentary power lapse. I'm guessing mine is probably just broken. Thoughts?
Maybe the shift from closed to open loop? Do you have any sort of fuel controller (S-AFC or something like that)? If you could lean it out from 3300rpm on up I'd bet you'd gain some more top end, and you might make that weird jump feel a bit less pronounced.

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WTF?! I randomly came across this the other day. So what's the deal? http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ight=cobb+ez30
If Cobb is still working with engines and stuff by the time I get to actually building my engine I just may want to go with this. So has anyone else even seen this before?
I've seen it before - in post #243 of this thread.

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Old 02-05-2009, 04:49 PM   #258
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We need to get enough people together to go to Cosworth and comission stroker kit that would be benificial enough to bother for us 3.0L guys.
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Old 02-07-2009, 02:15 AM   #259
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I fixed my above post for a "better" version. It's a mustang dyno and corrected for altitude. I also reset the factory ECU I use for management. I'm considering either fuel control or other management at this point but I need to steal the shop scan tool some weekend to see what exactly the ECU is thinking during these enrichment events. The car also learns to be bad... this is the graph from before I reset the ECU.
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:37 AM   #260
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ok I have been trying to read up as much as possible that I can on this swap (EG33 in a GC)

I am going to be picking up a 1995 2 door AWD Impreza with a MT like next week and I have been thinking about building the lame 1.8 thats already in the car and putting in a forced induction system or swapping in an H6 and then building and setting that up with a turbo or Supercharger system, and I love the idea of the H6, I love the sound, and how unique it is, and the potential

The Pistons, Rods, Engine Bearings, Clutch kit, and Flywheel from the EJ22 should work just fine in the EG33 right?

so basically the only major things that need to be taken care of are the radiator, the rear Differential and the ECU right?


the stock 5 speed in a 95 Impreza should handle the power of a EG33 right? I am trying my best here to know and learn everything there is to know about this because I am really motivated to do this swap, I have other people to help me... good amount of people that know the ins and outs of cars in general but nothing specific to subaru, and I am just starting out but eager to learn, the moving of the radiator should be nothing.. but the differential, thats just swapping in another one from the SVX right? and the ECU, I need a OBDI2 right? ECU that comes with the SVX engine right? I dont suppose thats just from the later models? or will I just have to get the ECU flashed to something else?



either way can we bring this thread back alive? I assume the lack of talk on the EG33 lately is because the people that have already done it have had little problems and are already down with it correct?
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:54 PM   #261
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you will want to get a stage 2 or better clutch to handle the EG33's hp/tq and you'll want to get the SVX wiring harness to make things easier on you (i.e., stick with the SVX's ECU). good luck with the swap!
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Old 02-28-2009, 07:00 PM   #262
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you will want to get a stage 2 or better clutch to handle the EG33's hp/tq and you'll want to get the SVX wiring harness to make things easier on you (i.e., stick with the SVX's ECU). good luck with the swap!
alright thanks
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:46 PM   #263
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ok I have been trying to read up as much as possible that I can on this swap (EG33 in a GC)

I am going to be picking up a 1995 2 door AWD Impreza with a MT like next week and I have been thinking about building the lame 1.8 thats already in the car and putting in a forced induction system or swapping in an H6 and then building and setting that up with a turbo or Supercharger system, and I love the idea of the H6, I love the sound, and how unique it is, and the potential

The Pistons, Rods, Engine Bearings, Clutch kit, and Flywheel from the EJ22 should work just fine in the EG33 right?

so basically the only major things that need to be taken care of are the radiator, the rear Differential and the ECU right?


the stock 5 speed in a 95 Impreza should handle the power of a EG33 right? I am trying my best here to know and learn everything there is to know about this because I am really motivated to do this swap, I have other people to help me... good amount of people that know the ins and outs of cars in general but nothing specific to subaru, and I am just starting out but eager to learn, the moving of the radiator should be nothing.. but the differential, thats just swapping in another one from the SVX right? and the ECU, I need a OBDI2 right? ECU that comes with the SVX engine right? I dont suppose thats just from the later models? or will I just have to get the ECU flashed to something else?



either way can we bring this thread back alive? I assume the lack of talk on the EG33 lately is because the people that have already done it have had little problems and are already down with it correct?
You should probably sign up over at www.subaru-svx.net and do some reading.

1) EJ22 stuff probably won't fit. Why do you need to swap parts in to your EG33? Is it dead?

2) Radiator, rear diff and ECU. Radiator and core support will need some custom work to put things in place. R-160 will hold the power OK though there are a number of R-180 upgraded cars running now. ECU-most SVX (92-95) are OBDI. 1996-97 cars are OBDII. Use the system that came on the motor donor. Get te whole SVX if you can.

Have fun!
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Old 03-01-2009, 02:30 AM   #264
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You should probably sign up over at www.subaru-svx.net and do some reading.

1) EJ22 stuff probably won't fit. Why do you need to swap parts in to your EG33? Is it dead?

2) Radiator, rear diff and ECU. Radiator and core support will need some custom work to put things in place. R-160 will hold the power OK though there are a number of R-180 upgraded cars running now. ECU-most SVX (92-95) are OBDI. 1996-97 cars are OBDII. Use the system that came on the motor donor. Get te whole SVX if you can.

Have fun!
no I was planning on building the EG33 with forged internals AFTER I put it in and everything was running fine, better compression for forced induction later on, although not a priority because the stock motor can take turbocharging right? just need the basic stuff to turbocharge a Stock NA motor, custom manifold, SAFC, AFPR, Walbro Fuel Pump, Oil Lines, BOV, Wastegate, Injectors (would STi injectors work, just have to get 2 more?), up pipe from an STI, stock TMIC should fit with some sort of 2 to 1 piping for the intake.. or do they have TMIC's with two outlets for the EG33?

and by R-160 you mean the rear differential? what one is in the stock GC Impreza's? would that hold the power? or should I pick up a newer Stock WRX rear Differential?

either way this will be fun

hell it will be fun when I first get the car and take it on some dirt roads and even have fun on 110HP before getting the EG33, tired of FWD

also please forgive me if I say soemthing wrong or something that doesnt sound right, I am still learning here and eager to start more hands on modifications instead of just reading about them

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the stock EG33 internals will take ~8-9 lbs of boost before you have to start worrying about the ring lands going away.
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:13 PM   #266
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the stock EG33 internals will take ~8-9 lbs of boost before you have to start worrying about the ring lands going away.
awesome, I wonder if I can reach past 300 - 400HP with 8lbs

if so then I wont need to change internals

my initial goal is 300+
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You will definately want forged internals when you do the rest of the FI work. If anything get a Hydra( you can get a EG33 specific one) Swap the wiring or send it somewhere to do the wiring. Make sure th differentials front and rear match final drive ratios. EG33 3.54. The Imprezas 5speed will blow very quickly under constant use with the H6. Definately do all the reading you can. Good luck. If you go on RS25.com you'll find a H6 thread that has a lot of info from people who finished and are still running their EG33 swaps.
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Old 03-02-2009, 05:54 PM   #268
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1) EJ22 stuff probably won't fit. Why do you need to swap parts in to your EG33? Is it dead?
why wont the ej22 stuff fit? i was under the impression the pistons and rods were the same.
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why wont the ej22 stuff fit? i was under the impression the pistons and rods were the same.
Con rods same with EJ20/EJ22
But pistons are different. EJ22T pistons will run very low compresson.
Tom explains it in more detail in the quote below


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The stroke and bore are identical to an EJ22. Now the differences are in the pistons and the heads. The EG33 pistons have a raised portion which increases the CR above a 2.2. We (meaning a couple of us on the board) crunched the #'s and did measurements. There is a reason LAN contracted CP to make the pistons for our engines instead of using the much cheaper alternative of 2.2l pistons. Even the 9.5:1 2.2l pistons would drop an EG33 down to 8.0:1 CR which is too low for what most people want to do.

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You will definately want forged internals when you do the rest of the FI work. If anything get a Hydra( you can get a EG33 specific one) Swap the wiring or send it somewhere to do the wiring. Make sure th differentials front and rear match final drive ratios. EG33 3.54. The Imprezas 5speed will blow very quickly under constant use with the H6. Definately do all the reading you can. Good luck. If you go on RS25.com you'll find a H6 thread that has a lot of info from people who finished and are still running their EG33 swaps.
so what transmission should be used for the permanent setup?

and I suppose there is a way to adjust the final drive ratio of the stock differential? just send it in?


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why wont the ej22 stuff fit? i was under the impression the pistons and rods were the same.
yea the EG33 is just the Ej22 with two more cylinders
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so what transmission should be used for the permanent setup?

and I suppose there is a way to adjust the final drive ratio of the stock differential? just send it in?



yea the EG33 is just the Ej22 with two more cylinders
Look at my quoate just above

Ideally if you have the monney go with a 6Spd but like every where they are so expensive.
Could get a STI 5spd but thoses still can blow etc
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Con rods same with EJ20/EJ22
But pistons are different. EJ22T pistons will run very low compresson.
Tom explains it in more detail in the quote below
whoa so I will have to get rods and pistons specifically for the EG33 eh?

now I see why someone said to stay away from this swap and go with a H4 STi swap or something, parts are rarer and more expencive... but meh its worth it, so I am going for it :P

maybe we could get this engine some attention.... I know after I get my swap completed and reliable with a respectable horsepower amount I am going to try to get on pass time or pinks :P
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whoa so I will have to get rods and pistons specifically for the EG33 eh?

now I see why someone said to stay away from this swap and go with a H4 STi swap or something, parts are rarer and more expencive... but meh its worth it, so I am going for it :P

maybe we could get this engine some attention.... I know after I get my swap completed and reliable with a respectable horsepower amount I am going to try to get on pass time or pinks :P
Rods are the same as EJ22 which i think are the same as EJ20?
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STi rods will work in the EG33...you just have to find 6 of them
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but apparently they will lower compression


also I was thinking, swapping in the EG33 prolly will make the car completely illegal for the road wont it?

I was going to put in the stock engine with stock intake and exhaust and try to smog it and hope they dont notice... lol
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