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Old 07-03-2019, 09:59 PM   #3801
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Packed!



Only a 2 night trip but should be a good shakedown for a bunch of new stuff.

Pack is an osprey Manta 34, tent is a Nemo Galaxi 2, bag is a Nemo Forte synthetic and pad is a sea to summit comfort light SI. The foam core pads had so much more support for me as a side sleeper that I compromised packability and weight for comfort. Everything was 25% off or more at REI except the pack.

South Manitou island is our destination and only a little over 2 mile hike in from the dock so perfect for a try out with a bunch of new stuff.

We're going to try a new water filtration system. Since there will be 6 of us in a group we got a 1 gallon gravity filtration system from Sawyer. Solid reviews. Wife has her small MSR pump type as a backup and everyone else has a small one so if it sucks then oh well.

Also will be finally using my ESEE-5 knife.
Sawyer filters are great. I went through 2 of their "million gallon" filters (mostly when my wife was living on a Caribbean island). They really do work great. I have a couple smaller filters for backpacking (a Katadyne and an MSR). Both are the "pump type". I have been thinking about getting a gravity Sawyer system, since I think it would be easier to scoop up water and not have to kneel and pump while (often) standing in the water.
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:06 PM   #3802
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whats the total weight of that pack?
Good question. It feels pretty good for the 5 min I wore it while making adjustments. .... 27.9 lbs. Just weighed it. Couldn't prob shave off 2-3 lbs if I had to give up some unnecessary comforts and the clothing packed is just regular stuff, not light weight hiking gear. On the other hand there is room for more should I need to Max it out for a 4-5 night pack.
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:11 PM   #3803
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Sawyer filters are great. I went through 2 of their "million gallon" filters (mostly when my wife was living on a Caribbean island). They really do work great. I have a couple smaller filters for backpacking (a Katadyne and an MSR). Both are the "pump type". I have been thinking about getting a gravity Sawyer system, since I think it would be easier to scoop up water and not have to kneel and pump while (often) standing in the water.
I'll report back with how it worked for us. We will have easy access to Lake Michigan water. Being able to just submerge the wide mouth opening of the "dirty" bag should make it a breeze. Did a test run with tap water to make sure we knew how it worked and such, it filters fast. A gallon will take just a couple minutes. Back flush syringe was included so hopefully any filter clogging is a easy problem to fix.
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:21 AM   #3804
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Good question. It feels pretty good for the 5 min I wore it while making adjustments. .... 27.9 lbs. Just weighed it. Couldn't prob shave off 2-3 lbs if I had to give up some unnecessary comforts and the clothing packed is just regular stuff, not light weight hiking gear. On the other hand there is room for more should I need to Max it out for a 4-5 night pack.
That is a really light pack (or maybe I just tend to pack heavy). Does that include food, water and clothing, or just the basic gear?
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:43 AM   #3805
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Sawyer filters are great. I went through 2 of their "million gallon" filters (mostly when my wife was living on a Caribbean island). They really do work great. I have a couple smaller filters for backpacking (a Katadyne and an MSR). Both are the "pump type". I have been thinking about getting a gravity Sawyer system, since I think it would be easier to scoop up water and not have to kneel and pump while (often) standing in the water.
My DIY sawyer mini gravity system
https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...postcount=1797

There is another post where I added a small mechanical filter between the dirty bag and the filter to keep big particles out of the sawyer.



Edit: I picked up a Vargo titanium wood stove and a converter stove (burns alcohol, fuel pellets and gel.) The converter stove fits in the wood stove which becomes a wind screen. I am going on a trip next weekend to Azalea Lake in the Red Buttes Wilderness in the OR / CA border with my GF. I think we can get 12-15 lb packs not including water. My GF is doing a 15K backcountry run on Saturday morning, and the car will be ready to go. She will still have an advantage on the hike in. I think we will set up camp, then on Sunday do a day hike from there rather than break camp and move. The area was burned some in the 2017 Miller Complex fire.

https://siskiyoumountainclub.org/redbuttesmisadventure/

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Old 07-04-2019, 09:56 AM   #3806
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That is a really light pack (or maybe I just tend to pack heavy). Does that include food, water and clothing, or just the basic gear?
Just basic gear. We have another larger pack with food and a cooler. Only bringing small amount of water on person.
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:50 PM   #3807
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Nice setup on the sawyer. I got a regular size with the gravity setup but havenít had a trip to try it on yet. Looking forward to it versus my MSR or Kateydyn pumps (I like the MSR quite a bit)
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Old 07-04-2019, 01:40 PM   #3808
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Nice setup on the sawyer. I got a regular size with the gravity setup but haven’t had a trip to try it on yet. Looking forward to it versus my MSR or Kateydyn pumps (I like the MSR quite a bit)
I have an MSR too. It's good for shallow/sketchy water when getting at it for the Sawyer means stirring up sediment. You do need to carry a cup or dirty bottle in case the water isn't moving because yore not getting it in the bag very fast with out it.
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Old 07-04-2019, 03:14 PM   #3809
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I have an MSR too. It's good for shallow/sketchy water when getting at it for the Sawyer means stirring up sediment. You do need to carry a cup or dirty bottle in case the water isn't moving because yore not getting it in the bag very fast with out it.


I like that the MSR is cleanable in the field, makes it a lot less of a concern for reliability. For me Iím pumping for several people so itís good to have that ability.

Thatís also where the gravity feature of the sawyer comes in maybe with a larger dirty resivoir. Less time spent processing water.

Iíve kinda watched how the thru hikers are using the sawyer and it seems like the best for lightweight, compact, and fairly versatile but it has its drawbacks like you mention.
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Old 07-04-2019, 03:47 PM   #3810
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South Manitou island is our destination and only a little over 2 mile hike in from the dock so perfect for a try out with a bunch of new stuff.

We're going to try a new water filtration system. Since there will be 6 of us in a group we got a 1 gallon gravity filtration system from Sawyer. Solid reviews.
South Manitou is ****ing gorgeous. We went in 2012, though not to camp; I'm sure it'll be amazing for that.









Btw, for 6 people I'd have recommended the 10 liter (~2.6 gallon) Katadyn Basecamp gravity filter. I've used mine for nearly 10 years, and it's been great. My buddy has a 1 gallon Platypus one, and he refills that thing constantly when it's hot out.
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Old 07-05-2019, 07:29 PM   #3811
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We cut the camp short on account of "historically bad" mosquitos. The park ranger advised us not to hike to the interior and said to check in with him if we do decide to hike in. Even on the beach they were miserable. 40% DEET seemed to have no effect. Would have brought some stronger stuff if we had any heads up but no one said anything to us until we were checking in for the ferry.

The tent worked well and no mosquitoes were able to enter once we killed all of the ones that got on when we entered. Packs up easily, sets up easily. The 3 person would have been ideal so we could have put our packs in with us. Might exchange it at REI for the 3.
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Nice setup on the sawyer. I got a regular size with the gravity setup but havenít had a trip to try it on yet. Looking forward to it versus my MSR or Kateydyn pumps (I like the MSR quite a bit)
The Sawyer gravity system worked great. We only filtered 4 gallons but no issues and filtered fast. The filtered lake water tasted better than the well water on shore.
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I have an MSR too. It's good for shallow/sketchy water when getting at it for the Sawyer means stirring up sediment. You do need to carry a cup or dirty bottle in case the water isn't moving because yore not getting it in the bag very fast with out it.
I had thought about that when I went to submerge the bag and had to have a good 18" of depth to do it easily and get a good fill. Easy enough to plan for, though.
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South Manitou is ****ing gorgeous. We went in 2012, though not to camp; I'm sure it'll be amazing for that.









Btw, for 6 people I'd have recommended the 10 liter (~2.6 gallon) Katadyn Basecamp gravity filter. I've used mine for nearly 10 years, and it's been great. My buddy has a 1 gallon Platypus one, and he refills that thing constantly when it's hot out.
Agreed. It is quite beautiful and pristine wilderness, at least where we stayed. Feel asleep on the dunes near the water for an hour or so when the breeze blew in and finally gave us some mosquito free space right at the water... That only lasted a couple hours, though.

I looked at that katadyn but several of the reviews said the parts were ****ty quality. Lots of complaints about the valve leaking and the hoses not fitting well.

We plan to go back, probably in the fall.
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Old 07-05-2019, 07:34 PM   #3812
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That sucks about the mosquitoes, dude. We experienced something similar camping on Assateague last year, and we too had to cut it short. When they're THAT bad it's impossible to enjoy doing anything at camp.
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Old 07-06-2019, 01:35 PM   #3813
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Oof, that sucks. I hope the skeeters aren't too bad next weekend in King's Canyon. Been wanting to get out there for years and finally got the chance this summer. I hope to spend many an hour drinking beer in my hammock down by the river.
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Old 07-06-2019, 05:11 PM   #3814
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we went there once when i was a teen, maybe 16 -17 with my mom/dad and 2 little brothers.

in the summer. was buggy then too. The whole dunes area is pretty cool. at least cherry fest is over if you're doing anything on the mainland but then you're out of the danger zone out that way....
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Old 07-06-2019, 05:32 PM   #3815
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Just did four days in the Hoh Rainforest up here in Olympic National Park. It was supposed to be five, but my tent's rain fly split open and didn't appear to be fixable. So I ended up setting a record for breaking camp and hustling back to the trail head a day early to avoid getting rained on that night. Otherwise, it was lovely.

On the issue of gear review, I just picked up a pair of new REI-brand items: the new Flash 55 backpack and the Flash All-Season sleeping pad. Both worked beautifully. The backpack is very light, easy to modify and adjust, and has four - FOUR - pockets for water bottles, bear spray, whatever. Two of them are angled forward making them within easy reach without taking the pack off. The sleeping pad, though, was ridiculously comfortable and warm. If I can figure out a good pillow option for my side and stomach sleeping habits, camping will become more comfortable than it has any right to be for me.
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Old 07-06-2019, 08:47 PM   #3816
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I love my Flash (65L?) I've got the original that's 12 years old I think and still going strong though the mileage definitely shows.

I love my stuff sack style pillow but I've found that everyone seems to have their own solution and sometimes it is cheaper or easier to make/repurpose your own pillow, especially for shorter trips if it gives you a better night sleep.
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Depending on the trip, I stuff a small sack (3-5 l) with clothes.
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:22 PM   #3818
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Depending on the trip, I stuff a small sack (3-5 l) with clothes.
Honestly, that may end up working better for me. I need something semi-modifiable; about 8-10" tall when I'm on my side, and pretty flat when I'm on my stomach. At home I stack two thick pillows for when I'm on my side and use a thin-ish memory foam one for when I'm on my stomach.
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:28 PM   #3819
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https://www.cleverhiker.com/pillows

Take a look through the options. I use the Therm-a-rest down stuff sack pillow and it adjusts pretty well for different positions.
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Take a look through the options. I use the Therm-a-rest down stuff sack pillow and it adjusts pretty well for different positions.
Thanks. The search continues.
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Went on a dinner hike last night to the Wagner Butte Lookout. It's not an easy hike, but it's a great one. About 10 miles out and back with about 2500 feet of up, and some sections are 30+ percent grade. I saw one part on Strave that reported 47%. It had to be developed using primitive methods using no tools, so about 1 dozen people shuffled their feet out an back. I am not kidding.

Here's why you don't put "rock art" or whatever, on public trails and you don't knock down a pile because you think a "dirty hippie douchebags" made it. Many parts of the trail are not clear, and the way is marked with small carins.










You can feel free to kick this person's ass though. That cigarette went out by itself. Someone probably set it down to take a picture of the **** they could have burned down (fire danger is high.)



Here's the rest










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"***** (cat) paw"






It was hard for me to go 360 and feel comfortable with the loose rocks at the top, so some of the frame transitions are poor. I was hanging on to one of the old bolts that sticks up.

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Wow, great pics! What's the final elevation? I've hiked some "trails" that were basically a string of cairns, myself. They often end up being some of the best cuz it weeds out the more obnoxious hikers (your cigarette-butt-provider notwithstanding).
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