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Old 07-20-2019, 12:52 PM   #26
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the only way I would do it is if I had a friend that would help me that knew what they were doing during assembly... otherwise you might have to do it twice or three times
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Old 07-20-2019, 12:53 PM   #27
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Nice Im thinking doing same
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:51 PM   #28
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I did an IAG shortblock swap myself in my '17 STi after ringland failure. I had originally planned on giving the long block and new shortblock to a builder to have him swap everything over, and give me a drop-in ready long block. After lots of research and some peer pressure, I decided to take it on myself. I obtained a copy of the factory service manual which is a MUST if you plan on doing a DIY. Take a few days to look it over and get familiar with the format. Other than that, there is a wealth of information here on NASIOC.

I did it with very few special tools. I ordered some special Company 23 tools (mostly for the timing belt) but everything else was basically normal tools that any gearhead would have.

I have 2500 miles on the new engine so far and its running great. I have a build thread here that outlines some of my progress.

For reference, the most involved mechanical project I've ever done prior to this was a turbo swap on my old WRX. I was intimidated by the idea of it, especially on such a new car, but I just took my time and fell back on the manual and it all honestly went pretty smoothly.

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Old 07-31-2019, 12:26 PM   #29
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Honestly, if you're thinking about doing the heads too, I'd go ahead and build a complete longblock out of the car, giving yourself more time to do things properly.

Then it's a simple weekend swap to install the new engine. If you actually buy a complete engine for donor parts, you can then sell your complete longblock...so long as your rods are still inside it

As for the build, I'm biased in that I've always built my own. Now with IAG, it's hard to beat the warranty aspect but I'm sure having the shop do the labor also approaches the price of the shortblock itself.
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Old 07-31-2019, 04:42 PM   #30
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I am a complete fan of DIY - gives you complete comfort in knowing what goes where and if something gets messy you knowhow to fix it. Also there is no comparison in owning something that is desireable by others knowing that YOU built that and put in the hours and hours of wrenching, tweaking, and troubleshooting. And the moment that beast comes alive.... Its really better when you are sitting next to a Z06 and you smoke that ass and all that chump did was pay for his HP!

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Old 08-01-2019, 10:26 AM   #31
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I am a complete fan of DIY - gives you complete comfort in knowing what goes where and if something gets messy you knowhow to fix it. Also there is no comparison in owning something that is desireable by others knowing that YOU built that and put in the hours and hours of wrenching, tweaking, and troubleshooting. And the moment that beast comes alive.... Its really better when you are sitting next to a Z06 and you smoke that ass and all that chump did was pay for his HP!

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I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. I am very very much a DIY kind of guy, and it's actually a good reason why and how TiC started.

At the same time over the years doing this professionally I also have a bit of a contrasting viewpoint.

If you know what you're doing for DIY - go for it.

If you have zero idea what you're doing - don't go for it.

If you have some kind of idea of what you're doing, but you take it to a shop who finds a whole mess of issues then own up to it. Don't go pointing fingers at the shop about your crap work.

If you have some idea of what you're doing, but you don't understand the core principles and function of something then pay a shop to do it or own up to it. The easiest and quickest example of this is teflon tape on -AN fittings. We see it all the time, and then people get pissed at us for having to pay us to fix it. Yeah, we could not fix it, and then not charge the guy. In every single case we will get blamed if there's a failure. Hell, we've had instances where we've flat out told people "this is wrong or this is about to fail. you need to replace it." and they have refused. Two weeks later we get a call that it's somehow our fault OR they start complaining online and we get to deal with that mess.
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:44 AM   #32
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People use teflon on AN? That's impressive.
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Old 08-01-2019, 12:16 PM   #33
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People use teflon on AN? That's impressive.
some of the things we see are truly truly impressive.

Like an entire fuel system made of home depot brass threaded (not even barbed) connections to coolant (not fuel safe) hose. They just mash the hose into the threads with a hose clamp to make it seal.

heads that have been surfaced with a whiz wheel and then a thin smear of RTV.

Just normal things.
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Old 08-01-2019, 12:52 PM   #34
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some of the things we see are truly truly impressive.

Like an entire fuel system made of home depot brass threaded (not even barbed) connections to coolant (not fuel safe) hose. They just mash the hose into the threads with a hose clamp to make it seal.

heads that have been surfaced with a whiz wheel and then a thin smear of RTV.

Just normal things.
Homedepot fuel systems, whiz wheel resurfacing, you know, normal things .....

Thanks for this post TiC, I really needed that today
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:19 PM   #35
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I mean, I've surfaced a head with sand paper before, but that was at a Lemons race. I love people.
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:23 PM   #36
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I consider myself mechanically savvy. And have been working on my own cars for over a decade. Everything from oil changes, full exhaust, injectors, suspension, intercooler, inlets, and essentially every bolt on there is. However, when my STi spun a rod bearing and I knew I was going with a built engine I decided to have Andrewtech do EVERYTHING. Although I have a few friends, one of whom is a Subaru mechanic, that was willing to help me pull the engine and get a new shortblock put in. In the end I still paid the extra coin to have the shop do everything. To include pulling my motor, and here is why.

Although I am confident in my mechanical ability and even more confident in the friends that were going to help, one thing came to mind. And that’s warranty. Andrewtech builds engines and Subaru’s every day. They know 100% what they are doing. With them doing it I have a warranty on the engine and work they did. Which gives me piece of mind when spending TONS of money on this build.

If something were to fail, Andrewtech will back their work and craftsmanship and either A: cover the cost of the repair while in warranty, or work with me on the cost of things if it is past their warranty period. So when it came down to it, I asked myself a few questions.

1. Is it worth saving a few grand to have to spend this type of money all over again if I mess something up? Answer:NO

2. Do I trust the shop doing the build, in this case Andrewtech? Answer:yes

3. Do I, combined with my friends have the knowledge that the guys there have in building an engine and other components to the limit my build is taking on? Answer:NO

The decision was clear to me. Spend the extra money, have it done right the first time.
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Old 08-01-2019, 02:11 PM   #37
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People use teflon on AN? That's impressive.
People use Teflon tape in all kind of situations it's not designed for. They don't realize it's a lubricant and not a thread sealant.
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