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Old 09-11-2009, 01:30 AM   #1
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Old 09-11-2009, 01:32 AM   #2
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Get a load of the engine bay.. anyone see a Flat 4 in there...?
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Old 09-11-2009, 03:39 AM   #3
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like that thing even looks like a legacy to begin with...looks like they took a page out of NASCAR with that thing.
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:51 AM   #4
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That's a Legacy ?

No, I don't think so.

It is a racing car with a Legacy "grill" and legacy style headlights stuck in front.

It is, however, far more sophisticated than your average NASCAR clunker.
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Old 09-11-2009, 04:11 PM   #5
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What kind of motor IS that then?
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Old 09-11-2009, 07:56 PM   #6
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It is, however, far more sophisticated than your average NASCAR clunker.
How so? And what is your definition of a "clunker"?
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:14 PM   #7
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How so? And what is your definition of a "clunker"?
NASCAR is a spec series with tubular space frame construction, and 1970ies vintage motor technology (cast Iron block, push rods and carburetor). There are no electronic sensors, or Electronic Control Modules. While in order to be competitive in the series, the teams spend millions of dollars and man-hours developing and fine tuning the setups for each track that the cars run on, the truth is that the production cars that the NASCAR "clunkers" are supose to based on are actually more sophisticated as they have alluminium-alloy engine blocks, fuel injection and utilize more moderen Electronically Controlled fuel/air mixtures, ignition timing, and even in many cases electronically controlled (AKA "drive-by-wire") throtles.

While these NASCAR clunkers are exceptionally fast (even if they do resort to using "restrictor plates" on the super-speedways) and for the most part extremely safe vehicles, much of the technology in them hasn't changed a whole lot over the past 35+ years.


Clearly this "Legacy" race car uses far more advanced technology than your average NASCAR clunker.
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:17 PM   #8
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What kind of motor IS that then?
While it is hard to see the motor underneath all the turbo plumbing, intercoolers, and air vents & scoops.. I think it is safe to assume that they are using a flat-four or a flat-six motor.
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:19 AM   #9
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Why not the H6..? Could be in there... ??
Here are the Real Specs:

Super GT GT300 Subaru Legacy B4 Specifications


Length/width/height
4730mm (186.2-in.) / 1920mm (75.6-in.) / 1210mm (47.6-in.)

Wheelbase
2750mm (108.3-in.)

Unladen weight
1275kg (2811 lbs)

Engine
16-valve DOHC EJ20 type Boxer w/restrictor-equipped turbocharger

Displacement
1994cc

Maximum output/torque
Over 300ps/over 40kgfm (289.3 lb/ft+)

Transmission
Six-speed sequential

Tires
Yokohama 280-710 R18 (racing slicks)

Steering
Rack and pinion (power assisted)

Brakes
AP Racing (front: six-piston, rear: four-piston)

Brake pads
Project Mu

Chassis
Production chassis w/carbon upgrades

Drive system
Front-engine, all-wheel drive (Subaru Symmetrical AWD)

Suspension
Front/Rear: double wishbone

Oil
Motul

Chemicals
ThreeBond

Windshield wipers
Aeroblades

Seat
Recaro

Safety harnesses
Takata

Rearview monitor
Viewtec

Battery
Deka

Super GT GT300 Subaru Legacy B4 Specifications


Length/width/height
4730mm (186.2-in.) / 1920mm (75.6-in.) / 1210mm (47.6-in.)

Wheelbase
2750mm (108.3-in.)

Unladen weight
1275kg (2811 lbs)

Engine
16-valve DOHC EJ20 type Boxer w/restrictor-equipped turbocharger

Displacement
1994cc

Maximum output/torque
Over 300ps/over 40kgfm (289.3 lb/ft+)

Transmission
Six-speed sequential

Tires
Yokohama 280-710 R18 (racing slicks)

Steering
Rack and pinion (power assisted)

Brakes
AP Racing (front: six-piston, rear: four-piston)

Brake pads
Project Mu

Chassis
Production chassis w/carbon upgrades

Drive system
Front-engine, all-wheel drive (Subaru Symmetrical AWD)

Suspension
Front/Rear: double wishbone

Oil
Motul

Chemicals
ThreeBond

Windshield wipers
Aeroblades

Seat
Recaro

Safety harnesses
Takata

Rearview monitor
Viewtec

Battery
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Old 09-12-2009, 01:18 AM   #10
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NASCAR is a spec series with tubular space frame construction, and 1970ies vintage motor technology (cast Iron block, push rods and carburetor). There are no electronic sensors, or Electronic Control Modules. While in order to be competitive in the series, the teams spend millions of dollars and man-hours developing and fine tuning the setups for each track that the cars run on, the truth is that the production cars that the NASCAR "clunkers" are supose to based on are actually more sophisticated as they have alluminium-alloy engine blocks, fuel injection and utilize more moderen Electronically Controlled fuel/air mixtures, ignition timing, and even in many cases electronically controlled (AKA "drive-by-wire") throtles.

While these NASCAR clunkers are exceptionally fast (even if they do resort to using "restrictor plates" on the super-speedways) and for the most part extremely safe vehicles, much of the technology in them hasn't changed a whole lot over the past 35+ years.

Clearly this "Legacy" race car uses far more advanced technology than your average NASCAR clunker.
The fact that you continue to refer to the cars as "clunkers" and think that the technology hasn't changed a whole lot in the past 35 years indicates you don't really understand what top level motorsports involves. And no, I'm not even a fan of NASCAR.

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Old 09-12-2009, 11:04 AM   #11
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NASCAR is a spec series with tubular space frame construction, and 1970ies vintage motor technology (cast Iron block, push rods and carburetor). There are no electronic sensors, or Electronic Control Modules. While in order to be competitive in the series, the teams spend millions of dollars and man-hours developing and fine tuning the setups for each track that the cars run on, the truth is that the production cars that the NASCAR "clunkers" are supose to based on are actually more sophisticated as they have alluminium-alloy engine blocks, fuel injection and utilize more moderen Electronically Controlled fuel/air mixtures, ignition timing, and even in many cases electronically controlled (AKA "drive-by-wire") throtles.

While these NASCAR clunkers are exceptionally fast (even if they do resort to using "restrictor plates" on the super-speedways) and for the most part extremely safe vehicles, much of the technology in them hasn't changed a whole lot over the past 35+ years.


Clearly this "Legacy" race car uses far more advanced technology than your average NASCAR clunker.
hahaha oh wow.
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Old 09-12-2009, 11:15 AM   #12
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Wow, they have a 2.0 engine stuffed in there? Anyone else pause the vid when they took the hood off - how LOW is that engine in there - it's almost like the transmission stubs are lower than the center holes for the wheels.
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Old 09-12-2009, 07:15 PM   #13
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The fact that you continue to refer to the cars as "clunkers" and think that the technology hasn't changed a whole lot in the past 35 years indicates you don't really understand what top level motorsports involves. And no, I'm not even a fan of NASCAR.
Well it happens to be true.

Tyre technology certainly has changed a great deal.

The technology in terms of car set up and in motor preperation certainly has changed a great deal. Today teams of thirty plus people armed with laptop computers spent hundereds of man hours every week fine tuning setups for next weekends race.

Thirty plus year ago most teams concisted of 8-10 people, motors and transmissions were run until they broke and maybe 3-4 people worked on these motors when they did eventually die. Back then they actually did use production engine blocks, and their motors typically didn't rev higher than 6,500 RPM for any length of time.

Today, motors are changed for every race, and they typically run around ~8,500 RPM. The engine blocks while they are suppose to be based on a production block, are specially cast and machined. Toyota doesn't even manufacture a production cast iron V8.

The top teams have engine shops of 30+ people who work night and day, dyno testing new engines experimenting with dyno simulations just how much stress one of their motors can take with out breaking. The second tier teams typically purchase motors from the top tier teams.

Yes, teams are larger and they work much harder dialing in proper setup.

However in NASCAR the basic technology has not changed in 30+ years.

I happen to have an excellent understanding of what top level motor sports involves. Or at least I *think* I do.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:39 PM   #14
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So what happened to Bridgestone? Seems they need a clue on this technology!

i would like to see the B4 GT run in Sepang, or Okyama .. w/ those twisty turns. :roOL::
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That car would look awesome in my driveway!!
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Old 09-15-2009, 02:39 AM   #18
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Old 09-15-2009, 02:57 AM   #19
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:25 AM   #21
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it's a pretty common area, shorter the pipes the better. But only if there aren't noise restrictions at the track theyre running.
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You guys aren't missing too much by not having subtitles. Both drivers are saying the typical things you'll hear from them about a new race car.
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Holy crap! That thing is mean lookin.
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