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Old 05-13-2021, 03:40 PM   #26
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It does help more than you think as the carbon footprint of the average American is amongst the highest in the world at around 4x the average. The global average of a single human being is a carbon footprint of 4 tons. We are adding 80+ million to the planet annually. Do that math and it's not pretty. I don't pretend to know the answer (not sure how you curb population in poor countries without some sort of enforcement) but something will have to be done as this EV stuff will help a little but it's really window dressing as a 100% EV world won't have a big effect on climate change when we continue to multiply at the rate we are.
The largest driver of the US population is immigration and immigrants having children, not from native born Americans.
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Old 05-14-2021, 07:39 PM   #27
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Modern ICE vehicles actually burn pretty damn clean. This isn't 1960.
Don't try to conflate smog with carbon production. The emission control devices on ICE cars turn poisonous substances into even more CO2 for every unit of petroleum burned than catless cars of the 60s.

The Datsun B-210 I rode home from the hospital in could manage 50mpg with a stiff tailwind. We aren't saving dramatically more gas 4 decades later, we're just bringing more stuff along with us everywhere for the same fuel usage, and way more people have cars and way more cities have 6 hours of heavy traffic 6 days a week.

I know you get the EV thing. I wasn't aiming that rant at you.
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Old 05-15-2021, 07:31 PM   #28
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Don't try to conflate smog with carbon production. The emission control devices on ICE cars turn poisonous substances into even more CO2 for every unit of petroleum burned than catless cars of the 60s.

The Datsun B-210 I rode home from the hospital in could manage 50mpg with a stiff tailwind. We aren't saving dramatically more gas 4 decades later, we're just bringing more stuff along with us everywhere for the same fuel usage, and way more people have cars and way more cities have 6 hours of heavy traffic 6 days a week.

I know you get the EV thing. I wasn't aiming that rant at you.
I’m not worried about it. No offense taken. You’re a smart guy, and you have your convictions, and all of us are allowed that. We just disagree somewhat on severity of this or that.

I, for one, would like to see change in waste management. Quit wasting food, quit trashing the ocean, quit trashing the Earth. And I’m down with EV’s somewhat, obviously I drive one. I’m just not into the marketing propaganda of the whole thing. It helps, but is no holy grail. I have not spent $100 in one month on fuel in 7 years. I made my changes mostly because I don’t like my country buying oil from the Middle East. Just not a fan of the place, the politics, the religion. I cut oil use down myself due to this and cost efficiency. It really has freed up a lot of cash for me over the past 7 years. 5 figures now. Locally I’ve never and will never yell that I’m saving the planet because I’m not. I’m just a little more efficient and a little less wasteful. That’s something all of us can do and you don’t need an EV to do it.
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Old 05-16-2021, 10:56 AM   #29
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I’m not worried about it. No offense taken. You’re a smart guy, and you have your convictions, and all of us are allowed that. We just disagree somewhat on severity of this or that.

I, for one, would like to see change in waste management. Quit wasting food, quit trashing the ocean, quit trashing the Earth. And I’m down with EV’s somewhat, obviously I drive one. I’m just not into the marketing propaganda of the whole thing. It helps, but is no holy grail. I have not spent $100 in one month on fuel in 7 years. I made my changes mostly because I don’t like my country buying oil from the Middle East. Just not a fan of the place, the politics, the religion. I cut oil use down myself due to this and cost efficiency. It really has freed up a lot of cash for me over the past 7 years. 5 figures now. Locally I’ve never and will never yell that I’m saving the planet because I’m not. I’m just a little more efficient and a little less wasteful. That’s something all of us can do and you don’t need an EV to do it.
I echo this. A small but stupid example for me, I don’t use the small plastic bags to put my produce in. I simply place it in the cart and use my reusable bags. Imagine how much waste would be gone if grocery stores removed the plastic bags for produce. Literally makes no sense to put produce into small bags that go into a larger bag at checkout.
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Old 05-16-2021, 12:37 PM   #30
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Bloomberg is heavy propaganda media for the green movement. Did I tell you about the batteries that charge in 30 seconds and last for 5,000 mi ?
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Old 05-16-2021, 12:54 PM   #31
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I’m not worried about it. No offense taken. You’re a smart guy, and you have your convictions, and all of us are allowed that. We just disagree somewhat on severity of this or that.



I, for one, would like to see change in waste management. Quit wasting food, quit trashing the ocean, quit trashing the Earth. And I’m down with EV’s somewhat, obviously I drive one. I’m just not into the marketing propaganda of the whole thing. It helps, but is no holy grail. I have not spent $100 in one month on fuel in 7 years. I made my changes mostly because I don’t like my country buying oil from the Middle East. Just not a fan of the place, the politics, the religion. I cut oil use down myself due to this and cost efficiency. It really has freed up a lot of cash for me over the past 7 years. 5 figures now. Locally I’ve never and will never yell that I’m saving the planet because I’m not. I’m just a little more efficient and a little less wasteful. That’s something all of us can do and you don’t need an EV to do it.

Agreed. Same reason I went to the EV world. Although to be honest I still have two that require fuel but much less than before.
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