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12-18-2012, 10:57 AM | #26 | ||
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12-18-2012, 11:14 AM | #27 |
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The problem with the NSX was that the engine was merely adequate for a supercar when it debuted and the field moved on very quickly. If it only lasted 3-4 years it would have been fine.
The Lexus will hold value purely on low volume and high price. As far as desirability, the Lexus was born from a poor F1 program after such program had moved on, while the NSX came from a legendary F1 driver while Honda was still affiliated with McLaren. |
12-18-2012, 12:10 PM | #28 | |
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Anyways, the LFA is leagues beyond the NSX, although did not have as much impact. It's still an awesome car and very exclusive. |
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12-18-2012, 12:49 PM | #29 | |
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If you're going to compare apples to apples.. you may want to compare apples. The LT5 vettes (Remember the ZR1?) had 375-400 hp with matching torque, and was available at the same time. Oh, and the ZR1 was $60k. The NSX was... $60k. --kC |
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12-18-2012, 12:50 PM | #30 |
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But that model wasn't the standard Corvette though. No sense in comparing the absolute best model that was fairly limited in its production numbers anyway.
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12-18-2012, 02:38 PM | #31 | |
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---1991 --- NSX 3163 ZR1 2044 ---1992--- NSX 1270 ZR1 502 ---1993--- NSX 608 ZR1 448 I don't know... 5041 NSXs imported to the US seems like a limited number to me. Sure, they did make 2994 ZR1s... yes, even more limited. However I would say they were both limited editions and call it a wash. --kC |
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12-18-2012, 03:43 PM | #32 |
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Don't all the LFA's have to go back to Toyota anyway? They were lease only, right?
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12-18-2012, 03:46 PM | #33 |
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Sort of, but they don't "have to" go back to Toyota. They were sold as two-year, paid-in-full leases to prevent customers from re-selling them at a profit or getting rid of them early. You figure most buyers will probably buy them after the lease is up, then do whatever with them (keep it or sell it) rather than to just give it back.
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12-18-2012, 04:17 PM | #34 |
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Oh, i don't hate NSX's, I've just never been impressed enuf to buy one. Nice, low, wide car, but the body lines aren't really my cup of tea. That and the very limited/overpriced aftermarket. Not like its bad, just not my cup of tea. I'm sure if i found an amazing deal on one, perhaps... Otherwise if I want mid-engine and reliable, i'll stick to Toyota. (Or a Toyota-powered Lotus...)
But there sure are some butt-hurt nsx-fanboy's around here... |
12-18-2012, 04:44 PM | #35 | |
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12-18-2012, 07:50 PM | #36 | |
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The NSX was inspiration for Gordon Murray... |
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12-18-2012, 08:36 PM | #37 |
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NSX was fast from '91-'93; then it fell off the face of the earth as other performance cars started to move forward. Yeah it was faster than a 348, so was a certain GMC SUV.
As everyone evolved, the NSX became drawn out. The NSX has always been a 'looker', but it needed a 200-300hp bump by 2002, which Honda refused to do. By the end of its life cycle, Viper had jumped 100hp; standard Corvette jumped 150hp; Ferrari jumped 183hp; 911T jumped 135hp. I wanted an NSX for a DD, but couldn't justify the price of many of them considering their mileage. Great car, just needed a turbo from the factory. . . As far as the LFA, I'm glad to see it gone. There is not one aspect of the car that I find impressive. |
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If you don't find (at least) the engineering of a vehicle impressive, there's not much reason to like many of the ultracars out there (Zondas, Enzos, Carrera GTs, etc) but that's your perogative. Last edited by manticus; 12-18-2012 at 09:37 PM. |
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I respect the exclusivity and technology in the car but IMO it's kind of a failure performance per dollar. For this type of money I expect better than GTR performance. Not saying I wouldn't love to own one but it's one of those cars that the whole is less than the sum of its parts.
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I would have paid that much just for that exhaust note...
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I doubt anyone has met "most" of those owners, but a cursory glance of some of the biggest car collections in history (Leno, etc), the ultra-rich don't buy cars solely because they're the fastest in a magazine test - they buy them for various reasons and performance/$ isn't the only one.
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Personally I expect an extremely expensive exotic car to be a better drivers car than a Boss 302: http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...r/viewall.html Like I said before the whole is less than the sum of the parts. |
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Then, somehow this becomes personal with you and now it's about the STI vs the EVO. Then you quote a magazine article to provide further proof that somehow the LFA sucks, when even the author mentions: "Most folks would happily give up a limb just to sit in and sniff the interior of any one of these monsters". Not to mention, while Randy had difficulties driving it, Justin carved with it. Comparing a car to Vai arpeggios - very high praise. Or did you just make a conclusion from what some other pro driver said and decide that you must share his opinion? Check out a Rolling Stone Top 100 list sometime and see if everyone agrees with that ordering as well - "Top 10" lists sell magazines because no one ever agrees 100% with it and disagreement is good for getting people to click through. The only people that care about some magazine time are people that worry about their bruised egos. Are you really so amped about a magazine that touts some "Top 10" that you go around spouting it off like some God-given truth about what supercars are really like? Gotta love the Internet... Yesterday I ran into an Evo X owner at the gas station and no sooner than I had complimented him on his car he just *had* to extoll the virtues of how the Evo X beat the STI in the CnD Lightning Lap at VIR. I have no time for egos. |
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Compared to other V10 cars: Slower than Viper. Sound isn't up to the par of CGT. Double price of LP550/560/570 without the brand royalty. On a plus, when brought in for service, it gets parked next to this: Quote:
People that buy $400k+ cars (LFA price tag) also want some exclusivity, which as hard as Lexus tried, cannot be associated with this logo: Lexus tried to create a niche market to the likes of One-77, GT3RS4.0, Reventon, Ferrari XX line; but they don't have any heritage that creates brand loyalists, who are willing to drop any amount at the drop of a hat. Instead Lexus created a decent performing car that is grossly over-priced which can be mistaken for an FRS, and there is not service at the level of other cars in this price bracket offered at Lexus dealers; but Lexus continued to market the car at a level it never reached. Not impressed. |
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