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12-05-2008, 05:29 PM | #1 |
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2009 Nissan GT-R acceleration times without launch control
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12-05-2008, 05:41 PM | #2 |
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Still traps as fast, so it really isn't needed at those power levels.
Wonder what an STi does when not launched at it's peak performance? Oh yeah, mid 14's.... Nick |
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They should put a regular manual in it and see what it can do. I would def perfer an old school manual transmission.
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12-05-2008, 08:29 PM | #6 |
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Without the launch control it is still fast, but not Godzilla fast as hyped.
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12-05-2008, 08:34 PM | #7 |
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12-05-2008, 08:50 PM | #8 |
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The .2 or .3 you gain on the launch would be lost at the 1/2 shift, and you'd lose another 2/10ths at the 2/3 shift and another at the 3/4 (if necessary).
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12-05-2008, 09:26 PM | #9 |
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This was a smart move on nissan's part. They never should have included the launch control feature in the first place as the gearbox obviously couldn't handle repeatedly being abused like that. It's still an amazing car. Besides, straight line numbers are boring imo.
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12-05-2008, 11:45 PM | #13 | |
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Really? It was my understanding even the 500+hp drag STI's still ran on the stock tranny. I'm sure you could break it if you were really trying to, but it's pretty damn stout. I think I've seen one, if that, in the entire time I've been here. |
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12-05-2008, 11:47 PM | #14 |
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I agree with most people here. Although its impressive to have the LC times... it was so unneccessary. The car hauls like a mo fo without any help.
What you prefer doesn't mean it would be faster. That's why most manufacturers are opting for the dual clutch gear box. |
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To turn on launch control (which btw the procedure was never officially mentioned by Nissan until after it was public knowledge) you have to turn off the traction control and the owners manual explicitly states that damage caused by turning off traction control is not a matter for warranty. Launch control on a GTR is not a simple push a button and hey there it is! On the GTR you have to set the suspension and transmission into R for race mode (hmmmmm), the traction control gets turned off then you engage manual shifting mode. After that hold the brake pedal down and depress the accelerator, the revs climb then drop down and then you re-engage whichever mode has shut off (IIRC it was manual shifting, probably a safety to prevent accidental engagement) depress the accelerator and release the brake pedal and away you go! With the amount of buttons that you turn on that are clearly labeled RACE you would be an idiot to expect Nissan to cover the resulting carnage. |
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12-06-2008, 10:39 AM | #17 |
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12-06-2008, 02:59 PM | #18 |
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What makes him a douchebag?
Pointing out not many GT-R's have broken a transmission? There have only been 2 that I know of. Both from repeated back to back LC uses. There may be more that didn't get reported online but seeing as how most people like to get on a forum and rant if they have a problem.... I don't think there are many. 2 out of over 2 thousand cars in the U.S. alone doesn't mean the car is weak. Doing repeated launches in any car is going to raise the temps in the transmission way above what they should be. There is also a significant amount of wheel hop in the GT-R when you do it that probably doesn't help. There are plenty of people out there using launch control with no problems a couple of numbs nuts abusing their car then crying about how it broke are the douchebags IMHO. And the removal of LC in the 2010 GT-R is not certain yet.... just rumored based on what one person has said and if you read where that statement was originally posted. They note that Nissan contacted them and told them nothing has been finalized. FWIW, The STi may not brake a transmission with stock power levels but it certainly can snap an axle. Does that make it a Piece of @#$%? No, it just means there is some risk to launching it over and over. And the guy you called a douchebag may have been referring to the WRX which has broken gears in stock form. Not apples to apples but still.... |
12-06-2008, 04:26 PM | #20 |
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I've said it before and I'll say it again..
NO AWD transmission will take such a beating day in, day out without breaking something.. Something has to give.. and when it's not the tires doing it, guess what? that transmission has to! EVERYONE (well.. most anyhow) who owns an AWD car from Subaru, Mitsubishi, Porsche, Lamborghini. Audi (who knows about Bugatti owners, but Bugatti have tossed it out there that new transmissions will go for 130K ), and [insert other maker of high power AWD car here] seems to know this.... apart from a few GTR owners it seems This is not a case of a car's transmission not being strong enough to take a beating.. NOBODY makes one that can take such abuse. I knew when I bought my car new that the way in which they were getting the 5.4 0-60 times would lead to something breaking, and that was my first AWD car... It just baffles me as to how some just don't get it, then complain and throw around the usual threats of class action lawsuits when something breaks.. Some people say that they should put in a 6MT.. Yes, they could do that, but what happens when they start to break also (and they will break)? I mentioned in another thread that perhaps Nissan's mistake was not including launch control, but making the car so accessible to the masses... To those who mention that "It's Nissan's fault for putting a feature on the car that will break it"... Every maker of a manual transmission equipped car builds in the "feature" for you to launch it at high rpm also..... yet they won't warrant your stupidity when the transmission strips first gear from a high rpm launch.. Just because a nuclear powered submarine is rated to a maximum depth of 5000 feet does not mean that you want to run around constantly operating at a depth of 5000 feet... |
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12-06-2008, 08:50 PM | #22 | |
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The LC isn't a "feature" since it wasn't mentioned in the manual. What people are doing is the equivalent to finding a cheat code in their favorite computer game and using it. Only problem here is that after using the cheat multiple times, the computer game has become corrupt and will no longer function properly. The cheat wasn't publicized (officially), and the knowledge of such code doesn't in and of itself encourage you to use it either. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that launching the car in such a manner is no good for the transmission.. |
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Sure, there are those of us who know better and realize that repeatedly pounding on an awd car in such a way would probable cause some unintended consequences, however not everyone understands the increased drivetrain stress that occurs when treating an AWD car in such a way that wouldn't happen if that car were RWD/FWD. And that "common sense" will be further suppressed when there is a feature that encourages people to beat on their cars more than they should. I just don't believe for one fraction of a second that anyone here could honestly say that they wouldn't be far more tempted to perform a hard launch in a GT-R due to the launch control than they would in a WRX or STI (or some other car with a driver operated clutch). Last edited by chanke4252; 12-06-2008 at 10:24 PM. |
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12-06-2008, 11:17 PM | #25 |
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evo x mr. anyone go boom yet? supposedly launch control is not in the manual either.
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