Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Wednesday October 21, 2020
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors > Non-Subaru News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-06-2020, 10:36 AM   #1
Angelus911
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 89967
Join Date: Jun 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: MA
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza Sport
DGM

Default Mazda3 Turbo With AWD Revealed With 227 HP And 310 LB-FT

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/07/06/...epower-torque/



Mazda Mexico debuts Mazda3 Turbo before official U.S. reveal



2.5-liter four-cylinder gets 250 hp and 310 lb-ft down south



We should have been keeping an eye on our neighbors to the south, who did us the favor of showing off the turbocharged 2021 Mazda3 last week. The automaker teased the reveal for the U.S. market to happen on July 8. It's reasonable to expect slight changes between our two countries, but the Mexico introduction makes a good base to know what we're getting. The prime specs: 2.5-liter Skyactiv-G turbocharged four-cylinder with 227 horsepower and 310 pound-feet of torque. As suspected, this is the same engine found in the Mazda6, CX-5, and CX-9. As such, we expect those output figures are based on using 87 octane gasoline; in the other three Mazda offerings, 93 octane gas unlocks 250 hp and 320 lb-ft. So at worst, the Mazda3 turbo makes 41 hp and 124 lb-ft more than the naturally-aspirated engine in the current hatch and sedan. At best, the improvement runs to 64 hp and 124 lb-ft.



Comparing the turbo Mazda3 to the segment-standard Volkswagen Golf GTI, the incoming 2021 German will make 241 hp and 273 lb-ft.



Only a test drive will reveal how the battle of sportiness vs luxury turns out for the Mazda. The numbers make a case for the former, but there's enough of the latter to sway us into believing this will primarily be a quicker Mazda3, with nary a hardcore edge. The only transmission mentioned is a six-speed automatic with paddle shifters that sends power to both axles via mandatory all-wheel drive. In Mexico there are only two Mazda3 trims, which start at 329,990 pesos ($17,050 U.S.) and 429,900 pesos ($19,294 U.S.). The turbo will introduce two new trims there that start at 489,900 pesos ($21,987 U.S.) and 529,900 pesos ($23,782 U.S.), MSRP increases of about 29%. For the supplemental dosh, the Mazda3 turbo in Mexico comes with a leather interior, sunroof, 12-speaker Bose audio, Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, LED headlights, blind-spot monitoring and auto-tint side mirrors, reversing sensors, and black 18-inch aluminum wheels.



Other than those black wheels and some badging, though, there's nothing to differentiate the forced-induction model from the naturally aspirated one. When a Jalopnik source tipped that site to some 2021MY Mazdas based on dealer codes, there was a "MAZDA3 HB PP TURBO." That "PP" likely stands for Premium Package, which is the highest trim offered on our Mazda3 right now, already comes with 18-inch black wheels, and starts at $28,445 after destination. U.S.-market models also already come standard with features like LED headlights, blind-spot monitoring, and the two infotainment smartphone connections, so there's no reason to expect such a large price gap here. The big point being: This is looking like a faster version of the fanciest Mazda3.



We have just two days to wait for the U.S. reveal and relevant specs for the 50 states. South of Texas, the Mazda3 turbo opens up for pre-orders on July 20, deliveries of the hatch starting later this year, the sedan getting its boosted four-cylinder some time after that. On July 8, we might also find out about what's happening with the rest of the range, that Jalopnik source passing on info about a 2021 Mazda3 with the 2.0-liter Skyactiv-X engine that's on our anticipated list as well.



* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

Last edited by Angelus911; 07-08-2020 at 07:54 PM.
Angelus911 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 07-06-2020, 10:41 AM   #2
oichan
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 492327
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: A garage in the Midwest
Vehicle:
19 WRX 16 STI
17Golf-R 16FiST 20Supra

Default

That's cool (less AT only part).. however the shape of that thing is hard to get use to even after 3yrs..(?) I rarely see one on the road too.
oichan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 11:46 AM   #3
RODSCALIP5
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 65170
Join Date: Jun 2004
Default

Yeah, too bad about no MT being available. I'm wondering if they will at some point surprise us with a MT to pay tribute to the 323 gtx/r.....I can dream right
RODSCALIP5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 12:12 PM   #4
Kostamojen
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 2272
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Fire Caves
Vehicle:
1999 2002 WRX Donor
93 FWD Base Impreza Autox

Default

Will it still have a torsion beam though?
Kostamojen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 12:24 PM   #5
oichan
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 492327
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: A garage in the Midwest
Vehicle:
19 WRX 16 STI
17Golf-R 16FiST 20Supra

Default

Torsion beam is a very basic system but it is not a horrible suspension on these light weight cheap cars.
oichan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 12:28 PM   #6
RealDealTarheel
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 142447
Join Date: Mar 2007
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Not so Fair...banks
Vehicle:
2019 Audi S3

Default

Hmmm, worth a test drive.
RealDealTarheel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 12:28 PM   #7
left footed whooten
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 44652
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Truckee, CA
Vehicle:
16 Colorado diesel
ATC Bobcat Pop-up

Default

Ive seen a white and red 3 in the wilds, they look Far better than in the photos IMHO. Im a HB fan, so i love it. The grey i saw was very dreary looking.
left footed whooten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 12:30 PM   #8
dwf137
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 161333
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle
Vehicle:
18 Highlander
Yami XSR

Default

the rear half of that car is just plain awful. No way around it.

But, this is a much more compelling option than most other boring and slow hatchbacks on the market.
dwf137 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 12:37 PM   #9
JP Chestnut
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 504432
Join Date: Jul 2019
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

That sounds like a torquey truck motor.
JP Chestnut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 02:34 PM   #10
heavyD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 194216
Join Date: Nov 2008
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Vehicle:
2020 X3M Competition

Default

Mazda definitely heading down their own road here making gasoline engines with diesel engine power/torque curves. This may feel quick due to the torque (which is probably all the intended audience cares about) but I can't imagine it feeling overly sporty and it appears the torsion beam suspension did come at the cost of handling as this generation does not handle as well as last gen. Worst part is that this will probably cost more than a WRX.
heavyD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 03:11 PM   #11
lil'redwagon
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 10854
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Los Angeles, CA.
Vehicle:
'02 WRX; '08 OBXT;
'08 G37 (S/C'd); '09 XF

Default

More competition in the turbo AWD hatch category. That's a good thing. Hopefully it does well so more companies start competing in the category again.
lil'redwagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 03:49 PM   #12
left footed whooten
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 44652
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Truckee, CA
Vehicle:
16 Colorado diesel
ATC Bobcat Pop-up

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dwf137 View Post
the rear half of that car is just plain awful. No way around it.

But, this is a much more compelling option than most other boring and slow hatchbacks on the market.
To each their own, bud. Some of us like it. You dont. Yay.
left footed whooten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 04:00 PM   #13
4S-TURBO
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 67807
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: por\\and
Vehicle:
V^V justrememberall
capswhenuspellyomansname

Default

I'm gonna check it out. Not a fan of the design, but never stopped me from buying Subaru after Subaru...after Subaru.
4S-TURBO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 04:09 PM   #14
Hondaslayer
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 4562
Join Date: Feb 2001
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Auburn, WA
Vehicle:
2014 Electric Datsun
2005 Adventure van

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by left footed whooten View Post
Ive seen a white and red 3 in the wilds, they look Far better than in the photos IMHO. Im a HB fan, so i love it. The grey i saw was very dreary looking.
Agreed.

It honestly looks a bit Italian in my mind.
Hondaslayer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 04:35 PM   #15
left footed whooten
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 44652
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Truckee, CA
Vehicle:
16 Colorado diesel
ATC Bobcat Pop-up

Default

Mazdas reds are great right now, might just be one color but looks different across models if so. But like all reds, i like to admire but not own. The silvers and black seem to emphasize or enlarge the c pillar, which increases the subjective love/hate. Havent seen the dark blue yet. Really wondering if the cx30 will end up with the powertrain. That would squintch my squintchies, the lady is cross shopping cx30, OBXT, and the hot Rav4. Unless she hates the interior, its a likely choice, dead heat between it and the OBXT at this point.
I guess the interior is just as polarizing, but an easily acquired and Touted good taste.
I havent given one a groping or a good rodgering yet, but look forward to it.
left footed whooten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 06:37 PM   #16
wrxsubaru
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 65133
Join Date: Jun 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oichan View Post
Torsion beam is a very basic system but it is not a horrible suspension on these light weight cheap cars.
Is there a torsion beam vehicle that has awd, thought it was just for unpowered axles. I bet strut or multilink.
wrxsubaru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 07:16 PM   #17
neg_matnik
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 132389
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: SF Bay Area
Default

I like it. IMO, the only real compromise here is the 6-speed auto.
I can deal with the rest (torsion beam and all).
neg_matnik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 08:32 PM   #18
SoFlaRRRex
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 407565
Join Date: Dec 2014
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Raleigh, NC
Vehicle:
2015 WRX
Red

Default

I donít mind the AT in it because it isnít trying to be a hot hatch. And it isnít a CVT or dual-clutch, which is a plus in my mind. I think, as long as it comes in below 33-34k, itíll be a great little car. You could pick one up second hand being fairly confident the previous probably didnít beat on it.
SoFlaRRRex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 08:41 PM   #19
wrxsubaru
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 65133
Join Date: Jun 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrxsubaru View Post
Is there a torsion beam vehicle that has awd, thought it was just for unpowered axles. I bet strut or multilink.
Nevermind, looks like the current awd mazda 3 has torsion
wrxsubaru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 10:53 PM   #20
sluflyer06
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 111641
Join Date: Apr 2006
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: St. Louis, MO
Vehicle:
2020 CWP STi
RIP - 06' WRX w/ 6spd

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oichan View Post
Torsion beam is a very basic system but it is not a horrible suspension on these light weight cheap cars.
I'm not sure i'd call closing in on 30 grand for a non stripper trim "cheap". Also 3,255 in AWD format is right there with a Subi. FWIW.
sluflyer06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-2020, 11:33 PM   #21
Keshav
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1654
Join Date: Jun 2000
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Vehicle:
2019 GoCycle GX
MV Agusta Brutale S

Default


Dave Coleman explains why the torsion beam allowed them to get better handling while also improving the ride comfort. No, really. Technical details included.


Savagegeese summary of the 2019 non-turbo was pretty solid. The only major ask was for more power.

Last edited by Keshav; 07-07-2020 at 12:10 AM.
Keshav is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2020, 01:05 AM   #22
Digitalfiend
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 54823
Join Date: Feb 2004
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Whitby, Ontario
Vehicle:
2009 WRX
DGM

Default

We recently bought a CX-5 Signature for my wife and the turbo engine is definitely a different experience. It's got fantastic low-end torque but really runs out of steam around 5k. The shift point is 5000rpm in 1st to 2nd, then about 5300rpm from there on. Don't get me wrong, I love the CX-5 but I wouldn't exactly call this a sporty engine. In a lighter vehicle though, it should feel quick enough.

Two things I'd be worried about are torque-steer - which the CX-5 definitely has a bit of - and the lack of aftermarket tuning options. With Honda, VW, Subaru, etc you've got a lot of aftermarket options for tuning their sportier cars - not so for this Skyactive G turbo. Maybe that will change? I also assume that all out performance isn't the point of the Mazda 3T...but will the extra power be enough to improve its sales figures?

Edit:

If anyone is interested, I saw this screen cap of a Mazda video showing the torque curve of the 2.5T...


Last edited by Digitalfiend; 07-07-2020 at 01:18 AM.
Digitalfiend is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2020, 04:45 AM   #23
left footed whooten
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 44652
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Truckee, CA
Vehicle:
16 Colorado diesel
ATC Bobcat Pop-up

Default

Thats good to hear. Dont care much about tuning or torque steer or becoming anemic after 5000rpm. Those wont thwart the ladys new car choice. Fiddly tech and interior bits will though. Id so much rather see her in a mazda than an OBXT. I just dont think OBXT is worth the cash and its likely to disappoint both her and me with power vs its CVT. Big tablet screen is neato, but could be too much for either of us, esp if starlink is still a PITA as it was on my 2015.
left footed whooten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2020, 08:52 AM   #24
heavyD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 194216
Join Date: Nov 2008
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Vehicle:
2020 X3M Competition

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoFlaRRRex View Post
I donít mind the AT in it because it isnít trying to be a hot hatch. And it isnít a CVT or dual-clutch, which is a plus in my mind. I think, as long as it comes in below 33-34k, itíll be a great little car. You could pick one up second hand being fairly confident the previous probably didnít beat on it.
You can get an A series 4matic at that price point. I just don't see how anyone can think this car is a good value over $30k.
heavyD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2020, 10:42 AM   #25
Digitalfiend
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 54823
Join Date: Feb 2004
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Whitby, Ontario
Vehicle:
2009 WRX
DGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by left footed whooten View Post
Thats good to hear. Dont care much about tuning or torque steer or becoming anemic after 5000rpm. Those wont thwart the ladys new car choice. Fiddly tech and interior bits will though. Id so much rather see her in a mazda than an OBXT. I just dont think OBXT is worth the cash and its likely to disappoint both her and me with power vs its CVT. Big tablet screen is neato, but could be too much for either of us, esp if starlink is still a PITA as it was on my 2015.
My wife and I test drove the OBXT back-to-back with the CX-5 and while we were surprised at how quick the OBXT felt, the CVT drove both of us nuts. I'm not sure if there was something wrong with that particular car but the CVT felt like it was constantly hunting for a RPM to sit at while trying to cruise at 80-100km/h; the Forester we drove didn't exhibit that behaviour (but the OBXT uses a different CVT). The infotainment screen was also a bit large for my taste and the large black plastic rear bumper was a turn-off as well. Otherwise, it was a nice vehicle - very spacious and room interior; it's just that the CX-5, while having less cargo space, felt like more bang for the buck (e.g. better interior quality, driving feel, etc). Honestly, I can never see myself owning a car with a CVT and I wish Subaru would abandon them.

If the Mazda 3 is built anything like the CX-5, it should be a fantastic little car for the price. I'm curious how the Mazda AWD system will behave in the winter compared to Subaru's system, but from all the videos I've seen, it seems to work well enough.
Digitalfiend is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2020 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.