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Old 08-07-2020, 05:38 PM   #101
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At least in USA you have both WRX and STI. In Europe the WRX was dropped many years ago and the STI is no longer available in most countries already.
We don't even get manual versions of any model, everything CVT .

I'm sure there will be a WRX in 2022 and an STI version might come a year later. But I don't expect it to be a revolution or a MB A-class AMG fighter.
Subaru has become a boring 00's Toyota.

Subaru already discussed all of this several years ago. They announced back in 2015 during the launch event for the STI's that the U.S was going to become the primary market for the STI. They also detailed that the 2015 redesign was focused less on ralley and more on road course performance and that further development in future models is going to expand on that and less on ralley. So its not news that they dropped it in certain markets over seas. The U.S is the focus now and its why we are getting special editions like the RA and S209 back to back. More will be coming.
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Old 08-07-2020, 10:02 PM   #102
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If that means a coupe, then I like you man, you can come over and F my sister
I was just there this morning

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Old 08-08-2020, 10:29 PM   #103
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another flagship going electric....BMW M5 getting 1,000 horsepower all electric power and electric hybrid power for 2023.

The STI is subaru's flagship performance car.....its very possible all the secrecy behind the 2022 model is because they are going to incorporate electric motor/s to make the car competetive for the next generation, I mean does anyone seriously think 400 horsepower is going to cut it in 2024 2025 2027 etc...as the next genertion ages? Eh the more I think about it and read all the uncertainty in these threads about whats comming, all the secrecy behind the next gen, it feels like the timing is just right for them to bring out a hybrid electric flagship with 500 horsepower.

400 horsepower will be ok for a year or 2 maybe into the cycle of this next STI, but at this point I think its more likely the EJ gets retired as the last all gas powered STI and the next one has electric. Just look at the direction of the auto industry, everyting trending toward automation and electric and autonomous. The FA engine design will be old in 2022 crazy as that sounds. Its true. GM ford BMW Audi etc are all planning on having 25+ electric models each by 2023-2025. Lets be real here, EVEREYONES flagship performance car is going to be electric or electric hybrid power by 2025. The STI will be as well so again, I think its at LEAST FEASABLE that it could be integrated in the new 2022 STI reveal!

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Old 08-09-2020, 04:06 PM   #104
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Old Yesterday, 01:10 AM   #105
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Lets be real here, EVEREYONES flagship performance car is going to be electric or electric hybrid power by 2025.
Mine wonít
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Old Yesterday, 10:56 AM   #106
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Mine either. If thatís all they make, then Iím going to hunt down a B7 RS4 and pull the motor and do a full resto with Bilsteins, new clutch, etc.
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Old Yesterday, 03:09 PM   #107
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I mean, let's be real. Even if the next generation of flagships do have electric/electric-hybrid power, how many people realistically are going to buy one right away? How long until it becomes more mainstream?

BMW expects to have a 1,000 HP electrified M5 by 2023. That's cool, but what is it going to cost? A base model M5 today already costs over $100K. I can't imagine an electric version costing anything less than $120K at the bare minimum. This is certainly not the STi's competition

The STi was never made to be a flagship killer. It was made to be fun, decently quick, practical for daily use, with AWD and a reasonable price tag. There's not much else that competes with it in that regard aside from probably the Golf R. Sure, you can buy a Mustang GT or Camaro SS for around the same price and it'll destroy the STi. But then you're giving up AWD, and the practicality. I can easily go on a week-long trip with tons of luggage in my car, or go on Ikea runs and shove a ton of furniture back there. Not as doable in a Camaro.

At some point in the future everything will be electric or electrically assisted, including the STi. I don't think it'll happen this soon, though. Subaru is content milking the crossover/SUV market and they're smart to do so because up until COVID they have been smashing previous year sales figures month after month. Us WRX/STi fans are small fries to them.

And yes, 400HP is fine, even in 2024. What makes you think it won't be? Does anyone realistically NEED 400HP on the street? If you track your car then there'll be a huge aftermarket for you to push more power. We need to stop being obsessed with spec sheets and dyno numbers. You know what I think when I hear that one flagship performance car has a 3.2 0-6 time and another one has a 3.0 0-60 time? "Cool, they're both fast." The only people who care about this **** are the magazines and media, and the rich yuppies who aren't actually enthusiasts but memorized the car brochure so that they recite this stuff and impress random strangers at the golf course.
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Old Yesterday, 04:55 PM   #108
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Mine wont be either, my 06 feels like the last car I'll ever need most of the time LOL! Too much fun, too much potential, too reliable, too easy to work on, holding its value, unlimited engine power options, turns heads everywhere, classic styling that still looks amazing, the list goes on and on.

The flagship performance cars coming are going to be unbelievable performance options. At the end of the day there will still be millions of traditional gas engine manual transmission performance cars to buy for many decades to come even after everything has transitioned to electric power. But I am not delusioned to the point where I deny that any gas powered cars being made now are going to be able to perform and accelerate like whats coming on the horizon with electric.
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Old Yesterday, 08:34 PM   #109
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Newer cars are numbing us to speed as well. The better the platform becomes the more power is needed to have the same visceral feel. Iím not complaining but thatís why we are where we are ultimately. The question is when is enough enough?
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An E-turbo or some form or mild electric assist using regenerative braking might be cool in the abstract, but in reality Subaru can't tune the S209 so that it doesn't randomly explode on CA gas. Any sort of dramatic increase in complexity or sophistication has so much scope for disaster.
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Alternate theory - Subaru is buying time while they decide if there actually will be a next generation Impreza WRX STI. The WRX soldiers on as-is for a while and the USDM WRX STI gets a dirt nap. Assuming the next gen BRZ sees the light of day, we could get a STI badged BRZ with 105% more down force, chassis tweaks, special paint and no extra power above and beyond the base model.

Subaru as Nissan or Mitsubishi basically. God I hope you're wrong.
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Old Yesterday, 11:06 PM   #112
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at the end of the day, nothing has really changed, with the time frame, so there is no need to get panties all in a bunch here. Regardeless of the arrival of the pandemic, some of you have VERY limited memory, "We", were "debating"(some were mocking), over a year ago that the next Gen STI with all new drivetrain would be 2021 or 2022 at the earliest. So if the new drivetrain/platform STI comes in 2022 nothing has changed from those discussions over a year ago LOL!!!

A common denominator group of EJ haters didnt want to accept that a year ago because they cant stand the EJ, even though it has been a PHENOMENAL success for subaru in the STI, the car has NEVER had a problem selling, with the exception of the hatch version that only sold 1/3 of the units of the sedan version during the years they were both available at the same time.

2021 will continue the success of the EJ257 with trickle down parts from the S209 and 340-350 horsepower as the curtain call for that drivetrain. And most likely a special edition of 400 horsepower. 2022 will bring the new sedan with design cues from the Viziv concept sedan, drivetrain more likely than not the FA2.4 with 420 ish horsepower stock(again forbes stated that subaru benchmarked the AMG 2.0) to be able to claim the highest horsepower 4 cylinder turbo in production, so that at least in specifications, it will be on top again in its price range and as a marketing pedestal to attract buyers.

Now here is where it will get interesting. The FA design will already be getting close to a decade oldin the U.S and by 2025 there is going to be a massive switch to electric power supplementation. The reality is, that the longevity of the EJ is never going to be repeated in the subaru lineup, let alone in the STI with a new engine, as at this point the new engine will be overlapping the expolding electric power implementation across the industry WORLDWIDE! I'd expect the the new drivetrain to only last 2-3 years before its changed to accomodate electric power. But 2-3 years of a 420+ horsepower boxer turbo 4 in a new STI will be fun while it lasts. I think electric power added to a package like that in 2024/2025 will EASILY push it close to if not over 500 horsepower. Its exciting to look forward to it! Or should I say....ELECTRIFYING!!! LOL

Yeah electric still has a way to go to be economical in a sports car application. Got to remember we're talking Subaru, not Porsche/Ferrari.
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