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Old 10-29-2019, 07:21 AM   #1
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2021 Kia Optima Teased Inside And Out

Kia is actually teasing the K5 for South Korea, but the international Optima should be virtually identical.

Say what you will about Kia designs of the 90s and 00s, but there’s no denying the company has upped its game in recent years with cars like the sporty Stinger, the funky Soul, and the Telluride family hauler. There’s more to come as the company has kicked off the teaser campaign for the new Optima by releasing hugely promising images of the K5 destined for domestic market South Korea.

As you can see in the adjacent shadowy pics, it looks nothing like the Optima on sale today and you’d be tempted to say it’s an entirely different car positioned above the midsize sedan. Have no doubt – it is the K5. We spotted the car several months ago, but the heavy camouflage did a good job of masking the revamped design.

From the gently sloped roofline to the wide “tiger nose” grille, the new Optima aims to be a far more stylish car than the current model, which isn’t even that old considering the fourth generation has only been around for approximately four years. The headlights have an interesting shape as they practically merge with the grille and feature LED daytime running lights shaped like a “Z” in the same vein as on the bigger Cadenza (K7 in South Korea).

The side profile shows a prominent curved character line right in the middle of the doors and has a clean look thanks to the absence of handles. However, keep in mind this is a rendering part of the teaser campaign to make the car look nicer than it actually is, but the real deal has been spotted with conventional door handles.

Other noticeable changes are the door mirror caps positioned lower on the front doors and a front quarter glass you won’t find on the current Optima. To give the sensation of a coupe silhouette, Kia’s designers have applied a thick chrome / metallic bar at the base of the A-pillar that continues above the greenhouse before gradually coming down at the rear pillar. The current car also has it, but its replacement will extend the piece of trim on the trunk lid at the base of the rear window.

The full-width taillights have an interrupted LED pattern, while the slightly arched trunk lid appears to feature a chrome bar that goes from one corner to the other to further accentuate the Optima’s generous width. You can’t see them here, but the dual exhaust tips were completely visible on the aforementioned prototypes.

Kia has also dropped a teaser image of the interior, revealing the fully digital instrument cluster joined on the right side by an extra-wide infotainment screen. There seem to be fewer buttons on the center console, while the large gear lever of today’s car has been replaced by a tiny rotary shifter. Overall, the dashboard has a much cleaner look we’re eager to see in real life.

The adjacent official renderings were actually published by Hyundai South Korea, and although the Facebook post doesn’t say when the reveal is scheduled to take place, it’s likely not that far away. All things considered, it appears the next Optima / K5 will be just as visually appealing as the mechanically related Sonata.




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Wait. Is that, is that a normal sized grill?
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Wait. Is that, is that a normal sized grill?
don't worry, crazy concept grills like this never make production; expect the entire front end to be a mesh affair.
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That rear could be really good.
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IIRC, all Optimas are FWD? What if they put their AWD on it, like from the Stinger? That middle tunnel twixt the seats looks a bit more beefy than normal.

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The concept design looks promising. I hope they can translate it well into production.
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IIRC, all Optimas are FWD? What if they put their AWD on it, like from the Stinger? That middle tunnel twixt the seats looks a bit more beefy than normal.

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Can has Stinger wagon?
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That looks like an expensive car. Cars are getting so nice these days.
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Old 10-29-2019, 09:12 PM   #9
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The front grille from the render kind of looks like a V6 Camaro and the rear kind of like a Challenger.
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Old 10-30-2019, 02:13 AM   #10
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I never understood why they bothered making a stinger instead of just a hot optima. It seems it was just to be able to attach a higher price tag, which (around here at least) has only caused all the ones our local dealership to languish. No one is dropping 50k for a "sporty" kia.
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I never understood why they bothered making a stinger instead of just a hot optima. It seems it was just to be able to attach a higher price tag, which (around here at least) has only caused all the ones our local dealership to languish. No one is dropping 50k for a "sporty" kia.
I was talking to the sales manager at one of my local Kia dealers just this past weekend. They have two Stinger GT2s on the lot that have been there a year. One's AWD and one RWD.

That dealer is part of a half-dozen owned by the same group, and he said Stinger sales tend to be regional. Some dealers sell a lot of them. Some sell very few.

Then he tried to sell me one. I did drive the AWD one - great drive, but I don't need all that power, especially not for $780/month.

I've been hoping they'll bring the Stinger drivetrain to the Cadenza line, but it would make a good addition to the Optima line as well (maybe detuned slightly).
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I never understood why they bothered making a stinger instead of just a hot optima. It seems it was just to be able to attach a higher price tag, which (around here at least) has only caused all the ones our local dealership to languish. No one is dropping 50k for a "sporty" kia.
Because of the G70. This car would not have existed without it. But the price is definitely the issue. I think it is part of an image/design exercise to continue to evolve the brand. But being a sedan with that price tag without the premium badge is a hard sell. See their K900 and even the Cadenza.

A think a hot Optima is more in line with their brand, especially when a N-Line Sonata is in the works.
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Stinger needs the Genesis badge at that price point. People don't want to spend that much on a Kia, but they will on a Kia subsidiary.
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Stinger needs the Genesis badge at that price point. People don't want to spend that much on a Kia, but they will on a Kia subsidiary.
Problem is the Stinger is the same platform as a G70. Which prevents it going to the Genesis brand. I think it was a nice attempt, but I don't think they should have made 2 cars on two brands but just one (G70).

And in the US, they've sold almost 2k more Stingers this year (10416 through Sept) than G70s (8507). So... may not be THAT big of a failure.

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The Stinger with the 4 cylinder is a good deal and the GT with big discounts is as well, the problem was the GT2, AWD at $52,000. If it was a 450hp coupe with amazing styling and handling then maybe. A nicely styled large GT hatch not so much.

I would have really liked a Stinger wagon, it wouldn't have sold to many but I'd have picked one up.
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That's why they offer the "K" badges:
http://www.k5optimastore.com/products/kemblems
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Problem is the Stinger is the same platform as a G70. Which prevents it going to the Genesis brand. I think it was a nice attempt, but I don't think they should have made 2 cars on two brands but just one (G70).

And in the US, they've sold almost 2k more Stingers this year (10416 through Sept) than G70s (8507). So... may not be THAT big of a failure.

--kC
The G70 came out a year after the Stinger - staggered release - so G70 is still ramping up. Also, you can get a 6-spd manual on the G70 but not on the Stinger.

I had heard earlier this year that they had a much higher take rate for the GT than Kia expected. They figured more would opt for the 4-cyl models, but the GT sales took off (relatively speaking).

They're now having the same thing with the Telluride - more people are getting the top-most trim level, so much so that they actually shut down ordering the top-tier for a couple months to catch up with demand.
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Was Kia's Plan to Kill the Optima Name Accidentally Revealed by the EPA?
The Optima is dead. Long live the K5.

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As of this writing, Kia's registered only one K5 powertrain with the EPA: An all-wheel-drive variant that powers its four wheels by way of a turbocharged 1.6-liter four-cylinder engine that mates to an eight-speed automatic transmission. Rated at 26 miles per gallon in the city, 34 mpg on the highway, and 29 mpg combined, the K5 all-wheel-drive sees its fuel economy figures fall by one, three, and two mpg, respectively, to its front-wheel-drive 2020 Kia Optima counterpart and its available turbocharged 1.6-liter inline-four and seven-speed self-shifting gearbox.

In South Korea, the K5's 1.6-liter engine produces 178 horses—equal to that of the current Optima's. We doubt the—likely heavier—all-wheel-drive K5's powertrain will allow it to better the 7.5-second trot to 60 miles per hour we recorded from a 2016 Kia Optima, however, we are confident the new Kia sedan will offer reasonably peppy performance. In fact, we called the K5's 1.6-liter four and eight-speed automatic "a powerful little combo" in our initial review of the new model. That said, we still expect Kia to satiate those in search of more power by offering the U.S.-spec K5 with a turbocharged 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine that makes around 290 hp, as well.

Whether the 2021 Kia K5 is the new name of the brand's mid-size sedan or a new model entirely, the car's combination of all-wheel drive, reasonable fuel efficiency, and a turbocharged four-cylinder engine certainly piques our interest. Hopefully, we'll learn more about the model—and its official name—in the near future.

Next Article is from Car and Driver

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2021 Kia Optima Renamed K5 for U.S., AWD Confirmed
According to the EPA, Kia is abandoning the Optima name and will call its next mid-size sedan K5.

The next-generation of Kia's mid-size sedan may be called K5 instead of Optima.
It will offer all-wheel drive and a turbocharged 1.6-liter inline-four, according to an EPA filing. The 2021 Kia K5 should go on sale later this year.

It looks like Kia is abandoning the Optima name for its next-generation mid-size sedan, according to an EPA filing for the new 2021 model. The redesigned version slated to arrive later this year will instead be called the Kia K5 to match the name it uses in Korea. When we drove the Korea-spec K5 late last year, Kia had hinted that this name change could happen, citing global marketing reasons. In the U.S., Kia has offered a mid-size sedan named Optima for four generations over two decades.

New 2021 Kia Optima is Oozing with Style

2021 Kia Optima Looks Sharp, Gets AWD

2021 Kia Optima Raises the Style Bar
The official EPA fuel-economy ratings, first spotted by Motor Trend, also confirm that the 2021 Kia K5 will offer an all-wheel-drive option in the U.S. The single model listed has a turbocharged 1.6-liter inline-four, an eight-speed automatic transmission, and all-wheel drive. This same engine makes 180 horsepower and 191 lb-ft of torque in the related Hyundai Sonata sedan, which does not offer AWD (yet).
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Kia has not yet confirmed the name change for the U.S. market, and also isn't saying if other U.S. models will be renamed to match the K5. In Korea, Kia's other sedan offerings use K names, too: what we know as the Forte is called the K3, the Cadenza is the K7, and the K900 is the K9.

We expect to hear more about the new K5 within the next few months, as Kia should release more U.S. information ahead of its launch here by the end of the year.
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Not a fan of going with letters/numbers as IMO it only works for established vehicles that have a lot of recognition behind them. Proper names provide more identity in an industry where it's become confusing to attach names to vehicles. Nobody cares about the TLX, RLX but everyone fondly remembers the Legend and Integra. Names provide an identity as if someone says "Kia Optima" a lot of casual car people will be able to attach a face to the name but if you say "Kia K5" it's going to draw blank stares. Would the pony cars have the decades of staying power they have if they were initially called Ford XTR or Chevy CR8? I don't think so as IMO these alphanumeric monikers make for disposable vehicles.
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Hopefully Kia doesn't go the Infiniti route and start numbering everything...Don't want Kia Stinger to be called Kia K6 or something...so bleh.
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So.. Wonderful names Optima becomes a boring Letter Schemes. I'd prefer they change there emblem first. Its the most boring thing on the planet.
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Hopefully Kia doesn't go the Infiniti route and start numbering everything...Don't want Kia Stinger to be called Kia K6 or something...so bleh.

Stinger is already K8 in Korea:

K900 = K9
Stinger = K8
Cadenza = K7
Optima = K5
Cachet = K4
Forte = K3
Rio = K2
Stonic = K1

Edit: I think I would have preferred the Stinger to be K6, as in the Genesis lineup its G70, below the Cadenza-like G80 & K900-like G90, though I suppose it does provide room for something else between the Optima & Cadenza (not sure what they'd put there).

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Not a fan of going with letters/numbers as IMO it only works for established vehicles that have a lot of recognition behind them. Proper names provide more identity in an industry where it's become confusing to attach names to vehicles. Nobody cares about the TLX, RLX but everyone fondly remembers the Legend and Integra. Names provide an identity as if someone says "Kia Optima" a lot of casual car people will be able to attach a face to the name but if you say "Kia K5" it's going to draw blank stares. Would the pony cars have the decades of staying power they have if they were initially called Ford XTR or Chevy CR8? I don't think so as IMO these alphanumeric monikers make for disposable vehicles.


I agree; but, "established" could be 20 years from now if they made the switch right now.

Subaru was trying this for a looong time. R1, R2, B9 Scramble, B9 Tribeca, B11S, B5-TPH, XV Crosstrek. SOOOOOOO glad none of that stuck.
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