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03-26-2012, 08:38 PM | #126 |
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On that note, I'm wondering how soon it will be until we see a review of an automatic FR-S/BRZ. I don't doubt its higher-end acceleration won't be as inspiring (as it sounds like the auto's fourth gear is about as tall as the stick's fifth, which is likely a big part of why the auto gets much better mpg), but I'd still like to know, just for kicks.
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03-26-2012, 08:43 PM | #127 |
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Well, Jesus, have you figured out the seat thing? I'm feeling impulsive.
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03-27-2012, 12:12 AM | #129 |
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Nuespeed Intake KW V2 Coils Hotchkis F&R Sways 17x8 Flik FTD's (about 17lbs) 245/40/17 Hankook V3s (or whatever UHP tire is on sale!) Pretty much as far as you can mod any car for autoX and 400 miles a week of driving for work. This is why I'm so interested in the BR-Z/FR-S. I can only have ONE car and drive a poop load, and I want to do MORE autoX/HPDE stuff. |
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You're right I haven't, but I also won't need more than 15 minutes to know whether I'll want it or not. That's about the time of a standard test drive. I also don't think they need to throw a bunch of stuff in it when they can accomplish very good results without it. Then it gives the aftermarket and the individual a chance to modify what they want and not worry about the things they don't want to change.
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03-27-2012, 10:50 AM | #133 | |
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If I get a BR-Z/FR-S I won't run stock class either, I like to mod the car too much so I'll end up in whatever street tire class they put it in, just like I ran with the GTI. |
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03-27-2012, 10:53 AM | #134 | |
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The problem is, they aren't reliable enough to trust the life of a child to. The one in my MINI goes off occasionally (ie: the seatbelt chime starts up because it thinks there's an unbelted passenger) if my wife leaves her 20lb backpack in the passenger seat. This is why the manual has the warnings about placing a child seat up front. It's too bad they don't have Latch anchors on the passenger seat with some sort of deactivation switch mounted to the anchors.. that way the car would know if a child seat was mounted. It's no wonder so many parents feel like they need an SUV or minivan for a single child.. the modern child seat laws make it very difficult for 6' adults to cart their children around in anything else. I don't know that we'll be able to do anything about installing an airbag on/off switch (legally) unless we can prove there isn't enough room for a rear facing child seat in the rear. |
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03-27-2012, 01:22 PM | #136 |
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03-27-2012, 01:49 PM | #137 |
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I actaully really like competing is street tire classes. I know I have less grip but I think the driving is more fun and the classes are more competitive. I love when I have battles with RX-8s and WRXs. If we were all on R-Comp or A-comp my FWD pitfalls would be exacerbated.
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One of the reasons that I've avoided Stock Class is that I always felt my cars would be more balanced with a few choice mods... ie: they usually understeer way too much from the factory.
The BRZ/FR-S seems like it will make for a good stock class autocross car regardless of what class it's placed into. I've never driven a truly competitive car, though and I'm not talking as someone who plans to trophy at national events... just as someone who occasionally likes to trophy at regional events. |
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I would like to see a TRD supercharger kit an option for this car. It would benefit from it. A turbo IMO is the wrong idea.
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03-27-2012, 02:50 PM | #140 |
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Seeing how Subaru has been turbocharging their flat fours for years and is already working on a turbocharged variant of this motor for the next WRX (switching back to 2.0 liters and 270-280 hp), I'm not sure of the likelihood of a TRD supercharger popping up.
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Superchargers are not good for small 4cyl engines. They work for bigger v6 and v8s cause they have all the torque in the world to pull it off. Can and do people super charge 4cyl? Ofcourse but the cost is significant for what you get. Turbos (especially with direct injection) are great for smaller engines cause it's very easy without much parasitic lose while not costing as much as super chargers and gaining much better performance.
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Supercharger would have even power gains throughout all RPM. Would be much better for a twisties and autox car which is the intended purpose of this. You could make power to redline..... the turbo they will put on it will most certainly not and will have lag. There is a reason this is NA. They want even power and precision that a supercharger would be able to give. Turbo would IMO ruin this car. Quote:
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03-27-2012, 03:28 PM | #143 | |
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Besides, there isn't much of a purpose to developing a supercharger when there is already a turbo on the way, especially when it's been a successfull power adder used with that engine layout for a long time. |
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03-27-2012, 04:30 PM | #144 |
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Either way (sc or turbo) I hope people who purchased the first na version can add the factory turbo if they want.
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03-27-2012, 04:45 PM | #145 | |
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An EJ25 atmospheric engine is not just an EJ257 STI engine minus the turbo and plumbing. |
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03-27-2012, 05:27 PM | #146 |
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On a less serious note...
From a price vs power stand point I think the BRZ has problems. I would expect 200hp from the Scion brand and I don't have a problem with the Scion brand at all but I would expect the Subaru to be packing a better punch and have better overall performance than the Scion. Granted from the pictures I've seen they both look beautiful but if the FR-S and BRZ are not sold in sufficient quantities they will be discontinued. Everyone went crazy when the push button start S2000 came out and that didn't pan out to well. There are so many Miata's on the road it is ridiculous. Only time will tell if people will be willing to fork out the cash for the new BRZ. I think initially the demand will be there but Subaru has already stated that the number of BRZ's will be limited. If the car is going to cost almost $30k or more it needs to have more power and continuing sales to match. I just don't see the BRZ as it has been spec'ed out by Subaru in it's current configuration to out pace Toyota sales if Subaru doesn't have something better to offer financially vs performance wise. You can talk about the two cars being light and nimble all you want but if they have the same set-up and the FR-S is cheaper? What are people going to buy? I'm just saying the BRZ might have a slight problem. |
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be careful.
some folks don't like all that logic and common sense around here, if it means sacrificing, or even looking sideways Subaru's new sacred cow. Some of us have been bringing up the performance level since the engine specs came out, regardless of price... now the price is higher than most thought it would be, also. |
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Agreed, and would remind yout that this forum was started by folks wanting to increase the performance of the 2.5RS. A part of that was bolting on low pressure turbo chargers to an atmospheric engine that was never designed for boost. There are definitely differences, but I think an analogy to full circle could be made. Let's just hope the anemic Subayota will sell well enough and long enough for somebody to sell a factory turbo version.
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The price has always been where we thought it would be according to the specs. The sub-$20k price was before anything was really known about the car. You guys were latching on to an unrealistic dream.
Also, the BRZ is not supposed to "out-pace" Toyota sales, which is why Subaru is limiting the numbers of the BRZ. The BRZ is the same as if FR-S came with Premium and Limited trims (which they don't). If someone's looking at an FR-S and thinking, "Man, it would be sweet if they had Navigation, leather seats, etc.," then all they'd have to do is look at Subaru's offering to get all that. |
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Plenty of us have been following the development of this car since it was little more than a press release and a strange development mule.. There's been a thread concerning what was considered, by most, to be the upper limit of the potential price.. http://i.imgur.com/K1YRf.jpg Notice (from the italics) I votes Yes... for a $25,000 MSRP on a BRZ, but 47% of the poll takers voted that they wouldn't pay that much. The BRZ isn't going to be listed at $25,000. Edit: I forgot to mention that that poll was also for specs of a car that was 200lbs lighter. Quote:
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