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Old 12-11-2018, 05:15 PM   #1
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Default 2012 STI Factory HID's looking for Upgrade suggestions

I don't think I have ever done this before, that is posting a straight question like this.

I have a 2012 STi that is going in for some other work (FPR kit, new Topmount and re-tune on the dyno for new FPR - hoping to get rid of that 2800rpm stutter) and I wanted to upgrade my HID's while I was at it.

I don't know much about the electrical side of things and I was hoping you guys could school me real quick. I really like the 6000k look over the 4000k look and was thinking about getting some replacement HID bulbs. If thats the path you guys recommend I'd love some suggestions.

I have heard about LED conversions and that sounds cool, but the searching I have done looks like most people convert from halogen to LED instead of from HID making me think HID's are probably better than LED's to start with?

I dunno. Anyway I'd like something in the white / blue range - best lighting I can get as it gets dark around here.

Eventually I want to place some large lights behind my grill rally style for when it really gets dark and stormy.

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Old 12-11-2018, 07:42 PM   #2
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As far as lighting performance is concerned, going from the OEM 4000K (actually 4300K) to 6000K is a downgrade not an upgrade. Light in the 4000K range maximizes visibility, as you go higher up the Kelvin scale usable light decreases and blue content and glare increase.
So you already have the best lighting setup for visibility and changing to different bulbs because of the *look" would be ill-advised.
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Old 12-11-2018, 08:11 PM   #3
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Looks like the high beams are 9005 bulbs, trim the tabs and install some 9011/HIR1 bulbs. 1700 lumen to 3000 lumen upgrade!
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Old 12-11-2018, 08:17 PM   #4
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I don't think I have ever done this before, that is posting a straight question like this.

I have a 2012 STi that is going in for some other work (FPR kit, new Topmount and re-tune on the dyno for new FPR - hoping to get rid of that 2800rpm stutter) and I wanted to upgrade my HID's while I was at it.

I don't know much about the electrical side of things and I was hoping you guys could school me real quick. I really like the 6000k look over the 4000k look and was thinking about getting some replacement HID bulbs. If thats the path you guys recommend I'd love some suggestions.

I have heard about LED conversions and that sounds cool, but the searching I have done looks like most people convert from halogen to LED instead of from HID making me think HID's are probably better than LED's to start with?

I dunno. Anyway I'd like something in the white / blue range - best lighting I can get as it gets dark around here.

Eventually I want to place some large lights behind my grill rally style for when it really gets dark and stormy.

Thanks guys,

- faylix

Philips 85155XV Xtreme Vision are a great upgrade if you want a cooler temperature and increase in light. They are 4800-5000k range with a lumen increase.
If you want even cooler and still an increase in light (but not as much as the XV) you can source Xtreme Ultinons which are 6200k. You can go to a 50w ballast with either but can burn your oem bowls faster and they lower the kelvin rating by about 500.

If you don't mind cracking open your lights, swapping to a tsx-r clear lens will also be a nice upgrade with a small increase in light as well.

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As far as lighting performance is concerned, going from the OEM 4000K (actually 4300K) to 6000K is a downgrade not an upgrade. Light in the 4000K range maximizes visibility, as you go higher up the Kelvin scale usable light decreases and blue content and glare increase.
So you already have the best lighting setup for visibility and changing to different bulbs because of the *look" would be ill-advised.
Not quite, as I have listed above there are a number of upgrade bulbs from the oem manufacturers that are a higher kelvin rating and also substantial increase in lumens as well as lux once installed.
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Old 12-11-2018, 11:36 PM   #5
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Philips 85155XV Xtreme Vision are a great upgrade if you want a cooler temperature and increase in light. They are 4800-5000k range with a lumen increase.
Sounds worth pursuing. I put a quick search though and it doesn't seem that product number is being sold anywhere.. plenty of xtreme vision philllips bulbs though? what type of fitting / bulb number is low beams vs high beams?

Are these the bulbs youre talking about? Xtreme vision Phillips D2s xenon HID's 4800K ?


Appreciate everyone's responses. Mulder - I know you're right, but ..

I really want the performance and the look. This is where i come to find both.

Also, I remember you from the barn days I think.

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Old 12-12-2018, 01:45 AM   #6
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Sounds worth pursuing. I put a quick search though and it doesn't seem that product number is being sold anywhere.. plenty of xtreme vision philllips bulbs though? what type of fitting / bulb number is low beams vs high beams?



Are these the bulbs youre talking about? Xtreme vision Phillips D2s xenon HID's 4800K ?





Appreciate everyone's responses. Mulder - I know you're right, but ..



I really want the performance and the look. This is where i come to find both.



Also, I remember you from the barn days I think.
Yes , typo 85122xv. The Ultinon are jdm imports you can check my build thread for photos and part numbers

Only low beams, high beams just use your stock/hir/or some leds for more light with instant on
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Philips 85155XV Xtreme Vision are a great upgrade if you want a cooler temperature and increase in light. They are 4800-5000k range with a lumen increase.
If you want even cooler and still an increase in light (but not as much as the XV) you can source Xtreme Ultinons which are 6200k. You can go to a 50w ballast with either but can burn your oem bowls faster and they lower the kelvin rating by about 500.

If you don't mind cracking open your lights, swapping to a tsx-r clear lens will also be a nice upgrade with a small increase in light as well.



Not quite, as I have listed above there are a number of upgrade bulbs from the oem manufacturers that are a higher kelvin rating and also substantial increase in lumens as well as lux once installed.
1 lumen per square meter = 1 lux

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux
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Old 12-12-2018, 10:44 AM   #8
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1 lumen per square meter = 1 lux



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux
Yes, lumens are used to measure the overall output of the bulb in an integrating sphere and lux is used to measure the output of the of the bulb when installed, normally at specific distances and points across the beam.

So yes, a 3300lumen bulb creates anywhere from 800-1800lux at 18ft in the centre hotspot beneath the elbow on various projectors and through various lenses.
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Old 12-12-2018, 11:13 PM   #9
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I ended up going with Blurred recommendation for the Phillips Xtreme D2S bulbs - Best price I could find for two was $120 off amazon. Most places wanted 150 - 170 for them.

For anyone that cares, Here are the Phillips HID Lowbeam Bulbs

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Looks like the high beams are 9005 bulbs, trim the tabs and install some 9011/HIR1 bulbs. 1700 lumen to 3000 lumen upgrade!
Now I'd like to do this at the same time. Might as well make my high beams HIGH

so These are 9005 LED Bulbs

This is a 9011 HIR1 Replacement bulb

However These claim 7,200 LM (3,600 per bulb) and have built in Fans (LED)

Which ones should I be really looking at? Glad these are on the cheaper end, couldn't believe I was spending over $100 on just lowbeam bulbs.

I guess at this point I should start upgrading my interior lights to....

Maybe dome light and map lights. Anyone have a good setup for a light bar under the seats to light up the foot wells?

This is a Dome Light LED replacement, better suggestions? but for $8 seems like a steal

What about the two map light bulbs in the front?

Also, they don't make a set where I could bluetooth and change the color from my phone do they? It would be cool to have LED red interior dome light and map lights sometimes.

My girl keeps saying that 288 awhp is enough (I have a different idea but i digress) and she feels sick when I corner too hard, So instead of power and handiling I have to satisfy my mod bug by doing some light work....

get it, light work?
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Old 12-13-2018, 02:07 AM   #10
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I ended up going with Blurred recommendation for the Phillips Xtreme D2S bulbs - Best price I could find for two was $120 off amazon. Most places wanted 150 - 170 for them.

For anyone that cares, Here are the Phillips HID Lowbeam Bulbs



Now I'd like to do this at the same time. Might as well make my high beams HIGH

so These are 9005 LED Bulbs

This is a 9011 HIR1 Replacement bulb

However These claim 7,200 LM (3,600 per bulb) and have built in Fans (LED)

Which ones should I be really looking at? Glad these are on the cheaper end, couldn't believe I was spending over $100 on just lowbeam bulbs.

I guess at this point I should start upgrading my interior lights to....

Maybe dome light and map lights. Anyone have a good setup for a light bar under the seats to light up the foot wells?

This is a Dome Light LED replacement, better suggestions? but for $8 seems like a steal

What about the two map light bulbs in the front?

Also, they don't make a set where I could bluetooth and change the color from my phone do they? It would be cool to have LED red interior dome light and map lights sometimes.

My girl keeps saying that 288 awhp is enough (I have a different idea but i digress) and she feels sick when I corner too hard, So instead of power and handiling I have to satisfy my mod bug by doing some light work....

get it, light work?
Get an led bulb with xhp50 chips. They do not focus well for a low beam but the bulk light for high beam is crazy. Then again pretty much anything will be fine for high beam

I have these ones on my 06

TZ Autoparts HB3 LED Headlight Bulbs Conversion Kit -HB3 9005 72W CREE XHP50 12000lm 6K Cool White,2 Yr Warranty https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B06ZZ2TC3C/..._uAFeCb844HNCD
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How will they work at 6 volts as DRLs?
I use the 9011 HIR1s which work as DRLs.
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Old 12-13-2018, 03:29 PM   #12
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How will they work at 6 volts as DRLs?
I use the 9011 HIR1s which work as DRLs.
Oh, I don't have drl, ive disconnected. No idea how they would work.
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Old 12-14-2018, 02:34 AM   #13
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Get an led bulb with xhp50 chips. They do not focus well for a low beam but the bulk light for high beam is crazy. Then again pretty much anything will be fine for high beam

I have these ones on my 06

TZ Autoparts HB3 LED Headlight Bulbs Conversion Kit -HB3 9005 72W CREE XHP50 12000lm 6K Cool White,2 Yr Warranty https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B06ZZ2TC3C/..._uAFeCb844HNCD
Sounds amazing! alright I ordered these.

Looks like I have a legit "light" upgrade going on for my car now!

upgraded low beams (Phillips Xtreme D2s HIDs)

upgraded high beams (LED)

upgraded map lights (LED)

upgraded dome light (LED)

footwell lights (LED strip)

and just for fun i got a FPR kit to handle that 2800 rpm stumble.

Looks like I'm going to have to schedule with AVI Boston to install most of this. I suppose I could do some of the easier lights myself but why bother when Safi owes me a favor.
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Old 12-16-2018, 06:52 PM   #14
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Sounds amazing! alright I ordered these.



Looks like I have a legit "light" upgrade going on for my car now!



upgraded low beams (Phillips Xtreme D2s HIDs)



upgraded high beams (LED)



upgraded map lights (LED)



upgraded dome light (LED)



footwell lights (LED strip)



and just for fun i got a FPR kit to handle that 2800 rpm stumble.



Looks like I'm going to have to schedule with AVI Boston to install most of this. I suppose I could do some of the easier lights myself but why bother when Safi owes me a favor.
Heres Xtreme Ultinon in Morimoto 4tl-r projectors at 50w and then led high beams (also bi xenon projector)



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TZ auto parts LOST my parts when they were coming from china somehow>!>!
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That sucks, iirc mine took ages to arrive, maybe it's still en-route but there's no tracking so it will just show up in the next few weeks.
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