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Old 07-04-2007, 11:27 AM   #1
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Mercedes-Benz has announced the latest edition of its M3 challenger – the new C63 AMG. The new uber-C has an AMG hand-built 6.3L V-8 with 451 hp and 443 lb-ft of twisting force. As with other Germans from Audi and BMW, the C63 has it's terminal velocity electronically capped at 155 mph, although the acceleration is capped only by physics with 60mph available in 4.5 seconds.

All that twisting force is transferred from the crankshaft to the drive-shaft via AMG's Speedshift Plus 7G-TRONIC transmission, which can be manually manipulated by paddles on the back side of the steering wheel. The programming on this application adds the ability for the engine to automatically open up the throttle during downshifts to match revs and smooth things out. The electronic stability control also now provides the driver the ability to select the activation thresholds for the system to activate. More details from Stuttgart after the jump.

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THE NEW MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG
A C-Class As Never Before

Note: Release includes European specifications

Affalterbach – In the German Touring Car Championships (DTM) the new AMG C-Class ensures exciting motor racing at the highest level, and now its road-going sister model is celebrating its debut: the new C63 AMG. Its AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine develops a peak output of 451-hp and a maximum torque of 443 lb-ft. – unrivalled figures in this segment. Accordingly the C63 AMG accelerates from zero to 62 mph in 4.5 seconds, while its top speed is electronically limited to 155 mph. In conjunction with an all-new front axle, speed-sensitive AMG sports steering and the new, 3-stage ESPÒ, the AMG sports suspension ensures both outstanding driving enjoyment and exemplary handling dynamics. A combination of expressive design, a decidedly sporty interior and a high level of everyday practicality makes the C63 AMG a unique high-performance car. The C63 AMG will make its U.S. retail debut in spring 2008.

With the new C63 AMG, Mercedes-AMG GmbH is making a confident statement to mark the 40th birthday of the company. The new V8 flagship model is now the fifth generation of the AMG C-Class, whose family tree goes back to the C36 AMG of 1993 – the very first vehicle developed as a cooperative venture between Daimler-Benz and AMG.

Merely the appearance of the C63 AMG is impressive enough, with its wide, road-hugging stance. The new hood with its prominent power domes conceals the independently developed AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine, which develops an impressive 451-hp at 6800 rpm from a displacement of 6208 cubic centimeters. In this respect the C63 AMG comes very close to the 464 or so-horsepower delivered by the AMG C-Class racing touring car in the DTM series. This high output also benefits the power-to-weight ratio, which is a very favorable 3.6 kg/hp.

The maximum torque rating of 443 lb-ft. at 5000 rpm is unrivalled in this class, and the torque curve is equally impressive: from 2000 to 6250 rpm the driver always has more than 369 lb-ft. on tap – ideal for powerful acceleration in any engine speed range.

V8 with thoroughbred racing technology and a designer exhaust note

Introduced in 2005, the V8 engine is installed in numerous AMG high-performance cars and excels with its thoroughbred motor sports technology.

Perfect cylinder charging is guaranteed by the vertical arrangement of the intake and exhaust ducts, as well as the magnesium variable intake manifold with two integral throttle flaps. Other high-tech features include variable camshaft adjustment, four-valve technology with bucket-type tappets, a particularly rigid aluminum crankcase of closed-deck design and the low-friction TWAS coating on the cylinder contact surfaces.

Among the particular strengths of the AMG V8 engine are outstanding responsiveness and enormous pulling power – by virtue of its large displacement, it develops over 30 percent more torque than comparable engines in this performance class. Electronically controlled fuel delivery is another reason for the outstanding agility and responsiveness to movements of the accelerator. With its sporty AMG sound, which was designed-in during a series of sophisticated trials, this eight-cylinder powerpack from Affalterbach offers the unique excitement of a fast-revving, naturally aspirated engine – an audible and immediate experience whether at low, medium or high engine speeds.

Key figures for the C63 AMG at a glance:


C63 AMG

Cylinder arrangement/
valves per cylinder: V8/4

Displacement cc: 6208

Bore/stroke mm: 102.2/94.6

Compression ratio: 11.3 : 1

Output hp at rpm: 451 @ 6800

Max. torque Nm at rpm: 443 @ 5000

Acceleration 0-62 mph: 4.5

Top speed mph: 155*
*Electronically governed

In the interests of optimal reliability, the C63 AMG has a particularly efficient water cooling system and large engine and transmission oil coolers. Located behind the large apertures in the AMG front apron, these coolers ensure non-critical operating temperatures at all times – even under the extreme stress of the racetrack.

Like all AMG high-performance engines, the AMG 6.3-litre V8 is built in the AMG engine shop on the traditional "one man, one engine" principle. This means that one technician is responsible for hand-assembling a complete V8 engine to the highest quality standards – which is attested to by his signature on the AMG engine plate.

AMG SPEEDSHIFT PLUS 7G-TRONIC with blipping function

This high-performance eight-cylinder engine has the perfect partner in the form of the AMG SPEEDSHIFT PLUS 7G-TRONIC transmission. Equipped with AMG steering wheel shift paddles and three driving modes, the seven-speed automatic transmission allows a decidedly sporty or more comfort-oriented style of driving according to the driver's preference. The different modes - "S" (Sport), " C" (Comfort) and "M" (Manual) differ in their shift characteristics and speed: gearshifts in "S" mode are around 30 percent faster than in "C", and no less than around 50 percent faster in "M" mode. Pressing a button is sufficient to activate the desired driving program.

The new C63 AMG is the very first AMG car to feature an automatic throttle-blipping function during downshifts. This not only enhances the driver's emotional experience – the almost completely jolt-free downshifting process also reduces the load-change responses and has a particularly positive effect when braking before bends on the racetrack.

Redesigned Front Axle with 35-millimeter Wider Track

The C63 AMG owes its outstanding handling dynamics to the AMG sports suspension and an all-new three-link front axle design. The stiff configuration of the springs and gas-pressure shock absorbers ensures optimal road contact and low body movements when negotiating serpentine bends at speed. The new front axle has a 35-millimeter wider track – visible by the more widely flared wheel arches – and therefore ensures lower dynamic wheel loads when cornering. A number of features make for substantially more stability and precision in all driving situations: the redesigned wheel location at the front axle is 100 percent more rigid, leading to a considerable improvement in steering precision. Another benefit makes itself felt when braking, as the new wheel location ensures an immediate response even under high dynamic stresses.

In combination with completely newly configured elasto-kinematics, the new wheel location provides greatly improved lateral dynamics and allows the driver of the C63 AMG to benefit from significantly higher cornering speeds. A larger torsion bar stabilizer, new head bearings and dampers with rebound buffer springs further enhance this stability and precision. Steering feedback is also improved by the new kinematics. The speed-sensitive AMG sports steering has a ratio of 13.5:1, but feels more direct as a result of moving what is termed the instant center of motion at the front axle.

The multi-link independent rear suspension has also been thoroughly re-engineered, with a twelve-millimeter wider track and more camber leading to improved cornering performance. Reinforced drive shafts and drive joints increase fatigue strength and round off the improvements to the rear suspension of the C63 AMG.

The completely newly developed AMG sports suspension combines outstanding handling dynamics with the long-distance comfort to be expected of a Mercedes – which also means that the C63 AMG has the characteristic virtues of a genuine AMG.

18-inch AMG light-alloy wheels, 19-inch wheel/tire combination on request

The C63 AMG is appropriately fitted with new, 18-inch AMG light-alloy wheels in a five-spoke design. Painted in titanium grey, these high-sheen wheels in size 8.0 x 18 and 8.5 x 18 are shod with wide-base tires in size 235/40 R 18 (front) and 255/35 R 18 (rear). Even more dynamic handling is made possible by the optionally available 19-inch AMG light-alloy wheels in a multi-spoke design. The front wheels are in size 8.0 x 19 with 235/35 tires, with 9.0 x 19 wheels and 255/30 R 19 tires at the rear.

Generously dimensioned AMG high-performance braking system

Internally ventilated and perforated disc brakes all-round reside behind the spokes of the AMG wheels. The front brakes have size 360 x 36-millimeter discs with six-piston fixed calipers, while deceleration at the rear is by 330 x 26-millimeter discs with four-piston fixed calipers. The AMG high-performance braking system is characterized by great sensitivity and high fade-resistance.

3-stage ESPÒ with Sport function as a new feature in the C63 AMG

The Electronic Stability Program ESPÒ is specifically configured for the dynamic performance of the C63 AMG, which is the first AMG model to feature the 3-stage ESPÒ with a Sport function. This system offers three different control settings, and is a logical further development of the AMG ESPÒ philosophy. The ESP key in the center console enables the driver to choose between three modes - "ESP ON",

"ESP SPORT" and "ESP OFF" – the currently active mode is shown in the central display of the AMG instrument cluster.

In "ESP ON" mode, the onset of handling instability leads to braking intervention at one or more of the wheels, accompanied by a reduction in engine torque. Briefly pressing the ESP key activates "ESP SPORT". In this mode the braking intervention to counter oversteer or understeer, as well as the accompanying reduction in engine torque, allows a higher dynamic threshold and, for instance, corresponding drift angles – which means that the driver of the C63 AMG benefits from considerably more active driving pleasure. ESPÒ is restored to its normal function as soon as the brake pedal is operated.

Prolonged pressure on the ESP key activates "ESP OFF". There is no intervention to control the handling dynamics, and no reduction in engine torque – thus increasing driving enjoyment even further. "ESP OFF" should only be used by experienced drivers on dedicated racetracks. In this mode too, operating the brake pedal restores all the normal functions of ESPÒ.

The system's traction logic is active in all three ESPÒ modes. If one of the drive wheels threatens to spin, specific brake pressure is applied to create the effect of a mechanical differential lock. This means that the engine power is optimally transferred to the road.

More distinctive exterior design than ever before

It is not only in technological but also in visual terms that the new C63 AMG is more distinctively different from the standard C-Class than ever before. The front end is dominated by the new bonnet with its two pronounced power domes, as well as the trademark AMG radiator grille with a central star and two louvers with chrome inserts. The honeycomb pattern of the grille is also reflected in the large air dams of the new, athletically contoured front apron which forms part of the AMG-specific bodystyling. The fog lamps with chrome surrounds are spaced well apart, acting together with the flared front wheel arches to accentuate the width of the car – with the striking transition from the front apron to the wings leaving a particularly strong impression. The side air vents in the front apron serve to expel the hot air from the oil coolers. If the C63 AMG is specified with the optional bi-xenon headlamps or the Intelligent Light System, the headlamps are also dark-tinted.

Eye-catching features when viewed from the side include the 18-inch AMG light-alloy wheels, the harmoniously integrated "6.3 AMG" lettering on the front wing and the AMG side skirts. At the rear the standard LED rear lights, the AMG rear apron with its black diffuser insert and three pronounced diffuser fins, as well as the AMG sports exhaust system with two chrome twin tailpipes, provide further visual highlights that are hallmarks of the brand. The AMG spoiler lip on the boot lid reduces lift and ensures greater handling stability at high speeds.

AMG interior with new sports seats and performance steering wheel

This decidedly sporty theme is continued in the interior of the C63 AMG, which now has special AMG sports seats with integral head restraints for the first time. The seats not only feature a new design with cross-piping and AMG lettering, but also an adaptive backrest with adjustments for the side bolsters and lumbar support. Perfect handling control is assured with the new AMG performance steering wheel in a three-spoke design, which has a rim diameter of 365 millimeters and a flattened lower section. The upper section is covered in perforated leather, and two silver AMG shift paddles enable the gears to be shifted manually.

AMG main menu with a wide variety of displays

The trademark AMG instrument cluster in a tubular design features newly styled dials, AMG-specific lettering and a new night-time design. Eye-catching details include the 320 km/h speedometer scale, AMG lettering, red needles and the "6.3 V8" logo in the rev counter. The AMG main menu in the central display allows numerous settings, with "Warm Up", "Set Up" and "RACE" modes activated via buttons on the AMG performance steering wheel. "Warm Up" displays the engine oil and coolant temperature, "Set Up" the current ESPÒ mode and the transmission mode "S", "C" or "M". "RACE" mode makes the RACETIMER available, with which the driver is able to measure lap times on a racetrack.
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Development and design of the C63 AMG

Creating a new car is a complex undertaking, and this certainly applies to the new Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG whose conceptual phase commenced in 2004. This began with the fundamental feasibility study known as packaging. The new C63 AMG was first constructed as a digital model, the engine, cooling system, fuel system, drive train and axles being "married" with the bodyshell to examine buildability. In spring 2005 the first 1:4-scale design models were produced on the basis of drawings and computer images, and in addition the first testing & development vehicles were already built on the basis of the preceding C 55 AMG. This made it possible to test major assemblies such as the drive train, brakes and axles.

The latest onboard measuring technology provided valuable data such as engine oil, coolant and brake disc temperatures - but other aspects of interest were lap times e.g. on the north loop of the N***252;rburgring, as well as measurable, precisely defined handling maneuvers to provide comparisons between different axle configurations. These tests were accompanied by extensive aerodynamic tests on the bodyshell of the C63 AMG, and it was only then that the final design was approved.

Following approval of the concept in the autumn of 2005, the first fully-fledged prototypes of the C63 AMG were built. At the same time the high-performance saloon was also produced as a digital prototype. Computer simulations made it possible for the "real" development prototypes to exhibit a very high level of maturity during the first rollout. These simulations included the most important vehicle functions, such as handling dynamics, the engine and drive train, bodyshell durability, suspension performance, passive safety, the engine's thermal characteristics and performance/fuel consumption.

From Affalterbach to every climatic zone on earth

The standardized and highly sophisticated AMG development and test program for the C63 AMG began in summer 2005. Over the next couple of years around 20 vehicles were dispatched all over the world from Mercedes-AMG GmbH in Affalterbach, to be subjected to strenuous tests in every climatic zone.

Test, analyze and optimize - that is the creed of the specialists at AMG to achieve the objectives laid down in the book of specifications. Another decisive aspect was an ongoing dialogue between Design and Development, so that any necessary technical modifications were also implemented in design terms.

The major test stages at a glance:

Development testing of the engine, transmission and drive train

***183; Altitude tests in Denver, Colorado (USA), Lesotho (South Africa), Mont Ventoux (France) and Granada (Spain)

***183; High temperature tests in Death Valley, California (USA), Upington (South Africa), Idiada proving ground (Spain) and Phoenix, Arizona (USA)

***183; Driving trials in Los Angeles, California (USA)

***183; Cold temperature tests in Arctic Falls (Sweden)

Development testing of the cooling and fuel systems

***183; Various driving trials on the high-speed tracks in Nardo (Italy) and Papenburg

***183; Trials in Upington (South Africa) and Death Valley, California (USA)

***183; Tests in the DaimlerChrysler wind tunnel

Development testing of the braking and control systems

***183; Brake testing on the high-speed track in Nardo (Italy) and the Grossglockner Alpine pass (Austria)

***183; Testing of dynamic control systems on the Idiada proving ground (Spain), in Arjeplog (Sweden) and on the Boxberg proving ground

In addition various endurance trials are run, with the aim of simulating the vehicle's entire lifecycle under the most severe conditions:

***183; North loop of the N***252;rburgring: The car's drive train, suspension, wheel location system, dynamic control systems, tires and brakes are tested on the world's most demanding racetrack.

***183; Long-term testing on different roads: All the components and systems are tested together in everyday operation. Loaded up to their permitted gross vehicle weight, the test cars are put through a precisely defined test program on country roads, motorways and in city traffic.

***183; Endurance testing on the DaimlerChrysler proving ground in Papenburg: Extreme acceleration and braking manoeuvres with a high proportion of full load operation, making extreme demands on the cooling and fuel delivery systems.

***183; Endurance testing in the Swabian Alb region: The vehicles are loaded up to their permitted gross vehicle weight and driven on country roads with numerous uphill and downhill gradients, placing extreme loads on the transmission and drive train.

***183; "Heide" endurance testing: (named after the poor post-war roads across the "L***252;neburger Heide"): 2000 kilometers of extreme trials on the test track or on state-of-the-art test rigs. In this case the focus of the developers is on the durability of the drive train components, the entire bodyshell and the integral subframe on which the front axle, steering and engine are mounted. The test cars are loaded up to their permitted gross vehicle weight.

These tests are supplemented with extensive crash simulations and real crash tests, to provide the necessary evidence for country-specific certifications without which no registration would be possible. The end result is final vehicle approval - the green light for the launch of the C63 AMG.


Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

Engine

No. of cylinders/arrangement: 8/V, 4 valves per cylinder

Displacement cc: 6208

Bore x stroke mm: 102.2 x 94.6

Rated output hp: 451 at 6800 rpm

Rated torque Nm: 443 at 5000 rpm

Compression ratio: 11.3 : 1


AMG SPEEDSHIFT PLUS 7G-TRONIC
7-speed automatic

Ratios

Final drive: 2.85

1st gear: 4.38

2nd gear: 2.86

3rd gear: 1.92

4th gear: 1.37

5th gear: 1.00

6th gear: 0.82

7th gear: 0.73

Reverse: -3.42/-2.23

Running gear
Front axle: Three-link suspension, anti-dive, coil springs, gas-pressure shock absorbers, stabilizer
Rear axle: Multi-link independent suspension, anti-squat and anti-lift, coil springs, gas-pressure shock absorbers, stabilizer

Braking system
Disc brakes all round, internally ventilated and blind-drilled, foot-operated parking brake at rear, ABS, Brake Assist, 3-stage ESP***174;

Steering
Speed-sensitive rack-and-pinion steering, steering damper

Wheels
Front: 8.0 J x 18; rear: 9.0 J x 18

Tires
Front: 235/40 ZR 18; rear: 255/35 ZR 18

Dimensions and weights

Wheelbase mm: 2765

Track width front/rear mm: 1568/1525

Overall length mm: 4725

Overall width mm: 1795

Overall height mm: 1438

Turning circle m: 10.8

Boot capacity*: 475

Kerb weight acc. to EC kg: 1730

Payload kg: 505

Perm. gross vehicle weight kg: 2200

Tank capacity/reserve l: 66/8

All figures are provisional; * Acc. to VDA measuring method; ** Electronically governed
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Now they just need to release the "F1 Safety Car" package, with all the unimportant stuff removed for weight savings. Then again, it might be best that they NOT release it. As long as they aren't available, I'm not tempted to re-mortgage the house.

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Was it necessary for AMG to detune the engine that much? It's bad enough that the CLK63 got "only" 481 horses, but I figured they would at least give that same firepower to the C63 rather than peeling off another 30 horses.
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Was it necessary for AMG to detune the engine that much? It's bad enough that the CLK63 got "only" 481 horses, but I figured they would at least give that same firepower to the C63 rather than peeling off another 30 horses.
don't worry, its a simple ecu tune away from getting back the power... they have to castrate it of some power or else it'll destroy the rest of the cars.
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^ That's true... but it's something that I'll never have to worry about since I'll probably never be able to buy one for a while.
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damn the new AMGs r looking pretty sick!
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Wow, another Mercedes that weighs nine tons, has six million horespower, and an automatic transmission.

If you're going to be silly, do it right and get an Arnage.
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Wow, another Mercedes that weighs nine tons, has six million horespower, and an automatic transmission.

If you're going to be silly, do it right and get an Arnage.
well that goes for the M5 too. so r u saying buying a M5 is silly?
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A curb weight of 1,730kg = 3,806lbs for us Yanks. Damn, that's a hefty sports sedan.
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The new C63 AMG is the very first AMG car to feature an automatic throttle-blipping function during downshifts. This not only enhances the driver's emotional experience
WOW! This might be the 1st time I've read a MB press release touting a technology they are actually behind on, kinda sad, they would have been better off playing that function down.

And while it's a very nice car they need at the minimum a DSG type trany if not a true manual option. It's not even so much the shifting/clutch issue, it's more the power transfer thru the torque converter, even with these new high tech auto's W/throttle blipping the TC still makes it feel "funny".

If you truly want to "enhances the driver's emotional experience" design a lightweight 7 speed DSG
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At least AMG cars depreciate normally unlike M cars. So you could actually afford one of these after 2-3 years. Anyone know the estimated price? 50-60k I’d guess.

Overall looks pretty nice and I’m not much of a fan of MB. Although if I had to get a minivan a used R63 would be the only one I’d want.
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i want that black edition amg... or is this that car?
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thats the clk63 black edition, that thing is sweet!
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At least AMG cars depreciate normally unlike M cars. So you could actually afford one of these after 2-3 years. Anyone know the estimated price? 50-60k I’d guess.

Overall looks pretty nice and I’m not much of a fan of MB. Although if I had to get a minivan a used R63 would be the only one I’d want.
Dumb question, how do M's depreciate?
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A curb weight of 1,730kg = 3,806lbs for us Yanks. Damn, that's a hefty sports sedan.
The new M3 is expected to be around 3,500lbs. 3,600lbs for the sedan. The RS4 isn't that far lighter but this Merc has more torque and power than both of those two.


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WOW! This might be the 1st time I've read a MB press release touting a technology they are actually behind on, kinda sad, they would have been better off playing that function down.

And while it's a very nice car they need at the minimum a DSG type trany if not a true manual option. It's not even so much the shifting/clutch issue, it's more the power transfer thru the torque converter, even with these new high tech auto's W/throttle blipping the TC still makes it feel "funny".

If you truly want to "enhances the driver's emotional experience" design a lightweight 7 speed DSG
They don't need a manual option because no one would buy it. People who buy these cars don't want to play with a manual transmission. AMG offered to convert their cars to manual before and got very few responses. These cars aren't aimed at the young age group where you want to thrash about in a manual with stiff suspension.

They probably skipped on DSG because their autos are still amazingly fast and very smooth which is what the majority of Merc buyers want. Despite being auto, they still achieve a 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds. That's quick enough for the competition and that's with the detuned motor.

These autos aren't your slow shifting slush boxes.
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Old 07-05-2007, 02:40 PM   #22
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WOW! This might be the 1st time I've read a MB press release touting a technology they are actually behind on, kinda sad, they would have been better off playing that function down.

And while it's a very nice car they need at the minimum a DSG type trany if not a true manual option. It's not even so much the shifting/clutch issue, it's more the power transfer thru the torque converter, even with these new high tech auto's W/throttle blipping the TC still makes it feel "funny".

If you truly want to "enhances the driver's emotional experience" design a lightweight 7 speed DSG

Am I impressed that MB is doing rev matching on a AMG car, no, my GTI has it.... Am I impressed that they are doing it on a car that has this much power, hell yes, that's allot of car and allot of load on the motor / transmission for the downshifts, and supposedly the reason we're not going to see the R36 here in the states cause they can't offer it with the DSG because it can't handle it.
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WOW! This might be the 1st time I've read a MB press release touting a technology they are actually behind on, kinda sad, they would have been better off playing that function down.

And while it's a very nice car they need at the minimum a DSG type trany if not a true manual option. It's not even so much the shifting/clutch issue, it's more the power transfer thru the torque converter, even with these new high tech auto's W/throttle blipping the TC still makes it feel "funny".

If you truly want to "enhances the driver's emotional experience" design a lightweight 7 speed DSG
There aren't exactly a lot of cars WITH a torque converter that blip the throttle on downshifts <---its not like their touting something thats "old news".


Sure its not an automated manual....but have you ever driven one? The cars don't exactly leave you with the impression that power is being sapped.

Again, if they offered a DSG type box, it wouldn't increase the demand for the car...at all. You need to consider that MB isn't designing cars for the purist. THey don't WANT a hard edge like the M3's, etc. They are more geared toward luxury/sport/touring.

99***37; of their buyers don't know the difference, nor care, between an automated manual and a manually operated auto!!! It shifts damn quick and smooth...again, I can only assume you've never driven one...or you wouldn't be knocking it.

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Agreed. What a bad piece of hardware!

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