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View Poll Results: Which pads would you upgrade to from stock for DD?
Hawk 5.0 1 7.69%
Carbotech 1521 2 15.38%
Hawk HP+ 2 15.38%
Hawk ceramics 2 15.38%
None of these. Youíre missing out on other good pads. 6 46.15%
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Old 06-16-2021, 08:56 AM   #1
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So I am looking to replace the OEM brakes on my 18' wrx. I have read some recommendations for DD use with no track days whatsoever. I feel the wrx weakness has always been the oem brakes including my 05'wrx. What I am looking for is better stopping than oem even if it's a little, no squeals and low dust. I don't really want Hawk pads unless it is the ceramics. But wanted some suggestions in regards to the Hawk 5.0, Hawk ceramics, and carbotech 1521 pads as that is where most of the forums and posts filter the brake pads as an upgrade to the stock ones. I am also leaning toward SS brake lines from either stoptech or Goodridge. For rotors, would OEM rotors or centric rotors work? I really just do not want to go back to OEM pads as they always felt spongy to me and really have to press the pedal for it to brake. I will be flushing out the brake fluid as well.

If there is a surprise pad I missed that I should look into, please let me know.
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Old 06-16-2021, 09:22 AM   #2
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I'd go with either Carbotech 1521/Bobcat or G-loc GS-1 pads (pretty much the same formulation, same guys were involved). OEM lines and rotors will be fine for street duty.


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ive been pretty happy with EBC red i put in last summer. much better stopping than factory, and not much dust.
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Old 06-16-2021, 11:22 PM   #4
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StopTech Sport+ for me - great bite, minimal fade.
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Old 06-17-2021, 02:51 AM   #5
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I like the Hawk pads, have been through several sets and they always work great in DD applications.
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Old 06-17-2021, 06:42 AM   #6
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If you want better stopping distance, tires need to be addressed. If you're looking for better brake pedal feel then fixed calipers with a master cyl brace, braided lines and quality pads like the 1521, GS-1 or DBA 650 though they will all produce more dust. Heard good things about EBC Red Stuff but haven't used them myself. Used Yellow Stuff in the past and brake feel was great but they chewed through rotors quickly. Red Stuff should be easier on rotors since it's a ceramic formula.
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Old 06-17-2021, 10:54 AM   #7
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I've used EBC Yellow Stuff in a DD as well, initial bite was a little soft when they were cold, but they warmed up quickly and were great from then. Usually if they were cold they would warm up within that first stop, and be fine for the rest of a commute. They dust considerably.

I've also heard great things about the Red Stuff from friends who have used them.

Hawk Ceramics blow, the dust is unbelievable, and the pedal feel and bite is poor. I use HP+ on my autox car, but I would stay very far away from them for street only use (very aggressive wear, and dump truck noise levels).
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If you want better stopping distance, tires need to be addressed. If you're looking for better brake pedal feel then fixed calipers with a master cyl brace, braided lines and quality pads like the 1521, GS-1 or DBA 650 though they will all produce more dust. Heard good things about EBC Red Stuff but haven't used them myself. Used Yellow Stuff in the past and brake feel was great but they chewed through rotors quickly. Red Stuff should be easier on rotors since it's a ceramic formula.
Thanks! I have Michelin pilot sport 4s for the summer.
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I've used EBC Yellow Stuff in a DD as well, initial bite was a little soft when they were cold, but they warmed up quickly and were great from then. Usually if they were cold they would warm up within that first stop, and be fine for the rest of a commute. They dust considerably.

I've also heard great things about the Red Stuff from friends who have used them.

Hawk Ceramics blow, the dust is unbelievable, and the pedal feel and bite is poor. I use HP+ on my autox car, but I would stay very far away from them for street only use (very aggressive wear, and dump truck noise levels).
I am surprised to hear that the ceramics have that much dust since ceramics do not usually dust much.
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I recently decided to upgrade my brakes so went with Akebono Performance pads. Was leaning towards Redstuff but everyone complained of the dust, long bed-in, and short lifespan.

EDIT: Only Performance pads available for STi with Brembos. Only ProAct for WRX.

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I am surprised to hear that the ceramics have that much dust since ceramics do not usually dust much.
I was very surprised too
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I recently decided to upgrade my brakes so went with Akebono Performance pads. Was leaning towards Redstuff but everyone complained of the dust, long bed-in, and short lifespan.
I heard about akebono pads as well. Thank you for providing this option as well. I do want little dust, absolutely zero squeal, and better stopping power compared to stock.
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Old 06-17-2021, 04:32 PM   #13
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I heard about akebono pads as well. Thank you for providing this option as well. I do want little dust, absolutely zero squeal, and better stopping power compared to stock.
My pleasure. This is basically what I was going for so decided on the Performance line.

Akebono also makes a ProAct line, also ceramic, but not as performance oriented and meant more as an OE replacement. These have good reviews with people saying they last very long but the initial bite isnít that great although stopping power is linear. I didnít like this too much so opted for the Performance line which Iíve read have amazing cold bite, fade resistance, low dust and good longevity.

EDIT: Only Performance pads available for STi with Brembos. Only ProAct for WRX.

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I'd go with either Carbotech 1521/Bobcat or G-loc GS-1 pads (pretty much the same formulation, same guys were involved). OEM lines and rotors will be fine for street duty.


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I researched more and am leaning toward this. Seems like the 1521 are pricier over the g-loc. Would there be any reason to go 1521 over g-loc?

You think I should stick with OEM lines and OEM rotors? Was contemplating stoptech slotted...
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For street use, OEM lines and rotors will be fine. Though I suppose a mild appearance case might be made for slotted rotors being somewhat less likely to develop scoring from little pieces of grit getting trapped under the pads.

Performance-wise, I don't know of any reason to favor either Carbotech or G-loc over the other.


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For street use, OEM lines and rotors will be fine. Though I suppose a mild appearance case might be made for slotted rotors being somewhat less likely to develop scoring from little pieces of grit getting trapped under the pads.

Performance-wise, I don't know of any reason to favor either Carbotech or G-loc over the other.


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Would slotted rotors last? I am leaning toward the stopping power and if slotted rotors help then I may invest. If not, Iíll get subaru OEM rotors as you have stated.
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Slotted rotors do last - wear is negligibly increased.

Aftermarket rotors with an anti-corrosion coating will last longer and work better than OEM. Corrosion on internal surfaces of ventilated rotors limits heat transfer, so it takes longer for them to cool and results in higher temperatures when the brakes are use hard.

Centric rotors are equivalent to OEM and are much less expensive at Rock Auto. Coated rotors such as those from R1Concepts will have longer life and better performance, and still cost less than OEM.
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Would slotted rotors last? I am leaning toward the stopping power and if slotted rotors help then I may invest. If not, I'll get subaru OEM rotors as you have stated.
I've never had a problem with slotted (or grooved) rotors lasting, and I've used them on at least three cars. All were street-driven, and the Mustang has been tracked on slotted rotors as well.


I did go back to plain rotors on the Mustang, but only because rotors become "wear items" when you're out on a road course at near race-pace with track-rated pads. Some track pads are extremely abrasive on your rotors, and track-level use/abuse will eventually cause what's known as "heat checking" - fine spider-webby surface cracking that you shouldn't ever see in street-only driving. There's a "fingernail test" to help guide replacement time.


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Old 06-24-2021, 11:47 AM   #19
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As embarrassing as this and although I donít think youíre going with Akebono I thought Iíd post here and clarify that the Akebono Performance pads are only for the STi with the Brembos. For WRX they only have their ProAct line.

Wouldíve saved me a lot of trouble if I had read the fine print. Surprised I missed that as Iím usually very fastidiousÖ
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My preferred set up is Hawk HPS or 5.0's with DBA 4000's slotted. (14 yrs) using these, 2 vehicles. Multiple sets, very happy.

If someone really wants to stick with ceramic pads, I'd do better tires, steel lines and a MC brace.
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I can't speak for HPS 5.0 pads, but my experience with HPS wasn't as good in recent years as it was before. Mainly with regard to 'bite' - not noticeably stronger than OEM. Perf Ceramics (per Hawk) have somewhat less stopping power than either HPS or HPS 5.0.

As for HP+ in street duty . . . only if you want to watch your rotors get worn away, those things are harsh.


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