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Old 02-08-2020, 10:13 AM   #101
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That blue looks great!!!
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Old 02-08-2020, 06:09 PM   #102
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I think it looks awful. I’m not usually into looks on cars (function over form) but I’d be embarrassed even riding in that thing. They really need to tone it down and put their SH-AWD in it. As it is, front wheel drive, and those looks, it just looks the ugliest fakest thing ever made.
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Old 02-08-2020, 08:12 PM   #103
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Dayam that thing is ugly.
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Old 02-08-2020, 09:10 PM   #104
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If it was awd I would get it.
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Old 02-09-2020, 01:50 AM   #105
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Love the color, cannot stand the hyper-whacky style. Some things very wrong going on with the rear wheel arches/flares and rear bumper. Like they just did a bunch of meth right before designing the thing from the front doors-back.
It honestly reminds me of one of their ugliest cars ever made, the CrossTour. Look it up. Horrid, fat rear half that eventuates the rear doors and roofline. There’s not much right about the body design.
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:14 AM   #106
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Love the color, cannot stand the hyper-whacky style. Some things very wrong going on with the rear wheel arches/flares and rear bumper. Like they just did a bunch of meth right before designing the thing from the front doors-back.
It honestly reminds me of one of their ugliest cars ever made, the CrossTour. Look it up. Horrid, fat rear half that eventuates the rear doors and roofline. There’s not much right about the body design.
Dodge could have given us so much more. If only the meth was offered upstairs rather than confined to the production floor and break rooms.



Because just look at that. More bumps grills flares and wings needed.
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Old 02-09-2020, 02:14 AM   #107
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Like they just did a bunch of meth right before designing the thing from the front doors-back.
I'm sure they were on crack when they did the front doors forward. Stylistically, there's everything wrong with it, even with the base hatch itself.

The teenager in me loves it in the most obnoxious way.
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Old 02-09-2020, 12:07 PM   #108
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And once tuned, wheelspin out the A.
Yep.. add SH-AWD and that 0-60 5.7sec could be more a respectable 4sec range where a 'sport car' of today should be.

Until they add AWD I would never buy one. FWD just sucks on street in real world driving. If off the line does not matter, I'd much rather own a BRZ or MX5.
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Old 02-09-2020, 04:46 PM   #109
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Looking at it in that beautiful blue makes me want to buy one.
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:05 PM   #110
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Yep.. add SH-AWD and that 0-60 5.7sec could be more a respectable 4sec range where a 'sport car' of today should be.

Until they add AWD I would never buy one. FWD just sucks on street in real world driving. If off the line does not matter, I'd much rather own a BRZ or MX5.
please don't ruin it with AWD - it already beats the STI in the rain on track, doesn't need AWD.

What they do need is an AWD Acura version - with toned down styling and nicer build quality - my Civic rattles and buzzes like the cheap car is - even I might want an Acura version.
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Old 02-09-2020, 07:43 PM   #111
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You probably won't be able to afford it if they put an Acura badge with AWD. That's the other thing.. they want to sell under the STI/Golf-R price range.

Just put the damn SH-AWD on the car and sell it at $42K. People like me will buy it. Sell at $37K with no AWD, pass. FWD sucks in real world driving with that much torque. I don't drive track every day.
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Old 02-10-2020, 05:30 AM   #112
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I think it looks awful. I’m not usually into looks on cars (function over form) but I’d be embarrassed even riding in that thing. They really need to tone it down and put their SH-AWD in it. As it is, front wheel drive, and those looks, it just looks the ugliest fakest thing ever made.
No they don't. Honda clearly knows the audience and formula for this thing as they sell every one of them they make and most at or above MSRP...and it's been out awhile now.
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Old 02-10-2020, 05:42 AM   #113
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I get different strokes for different folks, but this car despite its horrid looks clearly has the chops. It just doesn't need AWD.
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Old 02-10-2020, 06:37 AM   #114
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I get different strokes for different folks, but this car despite its horrid looks clearly has the chops. It just doesn't need AWD.
A n/a impreza doesn't "need" awd but it certainly helps it's appeal. The problem with this car is driving it on the street - sand, broken pavement, snow, slush, ice any of that garbage and you're only getting wheel spin. I'm not one of those people that buys a fwd car for summer only duty, and I live in a climate where we get rain/snow/ice so at the CTRs power level, I'm looking for AWD. VW does it with the Golf, GTI & Golf-R, I don't see why Honda can't.
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Old 02-10-2020, 06:39 AM   #115
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Don't know about the snow and ice where you're at, but up in Fairbanks no one is immune to spinning at the light. Only reason I'm driving an S3 and not a CTR is availability, proper tires and you're set. Granted, it's flat in Fairbanks, hills might play a roll if you have them.
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:31 AM   #116
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You probably won't be able to afford it if they put an Acura badge with AWD. That's the other thing.. they want to sell under the STI/Golf-R price range.

Just put the damn SH-AWD on the car and sell it at $42K. People like me will buy it. Sell at $37K with no AWD, pass. FWD sucks in real world driving with that much torque. I don't drive track every day.
Yeah, that's why I said I'd want one, not I'd buy one.

I do like Acuras but they seem way overpriced these days, I don't them enough to pay BMW prices.

You're probably exactly right in why they don't offer an Acura, cause it'd be $50k and nobody would buy it. At the same time it seems they don't want to piss off Acura by selling a $42k Honda version.
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Old 02-10-2020, 09:33 AM   #117
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No they don't. Honda clearly knows the audience and formula for this thing as they sell every one of them they make and most at or above MSRP...and it's been out awhile now.
While they could offer both FWD and AWD, they might lose FWD buyers to the AWD version, and end up without making more money.

Acura version makes sense - tone if down a bit, add AWD, and don't go crazy with the Acura premium (i.e. $5k more, not $10k more for fancier crappy leather and special paint).

Nothing will happen while the Type R is made in England - this will happen next gen if at all.
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You probably won't be able to afford it if they put an Acura badge with AWD. That's the other thing.. they want to sell under the STI/Golf-R price range.

Just put the damn SH-AWD on the car and sell it at $42K. People like me will buy it. Sell at $37K with no AWD, pass. FWD sucks in real world driving with that much torque. I don't drive track every day.
That's the thing, the CTR price crept up over the last couple years. At ~$33k, it made some sense. At $37k it gets harder. Now they made updates and upgrades for the 2020 model, some price bump is coming.
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:41 AM   #119
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please don't ruin it with AWD - it already beats the STI in the rain on track, doesn't need AWD.
Beats the STi in the rain? Sorry dude, no. If you are referring to that one comparison test that some magazine did (I read it also), it stop raining and the track was drying out as the cars were on the track. So at the start damp, but it was drying out so it was not raining.

One of the European rags also did a test with the Focus RS, Golf R, and the CTR. It was actively raining, heavy. And they S-canned the CTR during that test as to not make it look bad or Honda look bad because it could not compete with the AWD vehicles in the test whatsoever so they omitted it. The times were massively different.
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Old 02-20-2020, 04:43 AM   #120
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The 2020 Honda Civic Type R family continues to grow in Europe with the introduction of the new Type R Sport Line and the Type R Limited Edition, also available in the United States.

Whereas the new Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition has been billed as the “ultimate track-focus Type R,” the Civic Type R Sport Line adopts a more restrained design that could be perfect for those who think the standard model is a little over-the-top.

The most notable styling difference between the Civic Type R Sport Line and all others is the removal of the hot hatch’s towering rear wing. Sitting in its place is a much smaller spoiler and one that appears even more subtle than the wing of the Civic Si. Some other changes have been made to the car also.

For example, the Civic Type R Sport Line includes exclusive dark grey 19-inch wheels with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires with a softer sidewall to improve comfort and improve the noise, vibration, and harshness characteristics. Inside, there are black bucket seats with red stitching and a new tear-drop style gear knob. Also found within is an Alcantara steering wheel and a host of red stitching.

Complementing the arrival of the Civic Type R Sport Line in Europe is a new performance datalogger for the U.S. and European markets. Dubbed Honda LogR, the datalogger combines the car’s onboard computers and sensors with a smartphone app that helps to record a number of performance parameters. Key information will be displayed on the car’s 7-inch infotainment screen when the car is moving while additional information will be available through the app when the phone is unplugged.

Included among the measurements taken by the datalogger are a G-meter and a graph that displays the Type R’s pitch, roll, and yaw. There is also a Log Mode that aims to improve driver’s lap times by displaying a color-coded trace of each lap with green, yellow, and red colors indicating various stages of progression. Log Mode aims to encourage “smooth use of the clutch, shifter, steering, brakes, and accelerator.”


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Old 02-20-2020, 04:49 AM   #121
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Honda debuts Civic Type R Sport Line in Europe -- here's why we won't get it in the US - Roadshow
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In addition to the 2021 Limited Edition, Honda debuted a low-wing Sport Line version of the Civic Type R on Wednesday, with a number of tweaks all geared toward refinement and less of an in-your-face demeanor. It sounds like a pretty good package. But we won't be getting it in the US.

"The reality is, in the US, Civic in general as a brand is very youth-focused," Sage Marie, assistant vice president of Honda's North American automotive operations, told us at the Type R Limited Edition's unveiling on Wednesday. "Type R is the ultimate expression of that."

The Sport Line takes a more refined approach to Type R life, with a subdued shade of gray paint and a small decklid spoiler, as well as downsized, 19-inch wheels, less-aggressive tires, more sound-deadening material inside and black seat fabric instead of red.

Marie says the new Limited Edition version of the Type R makes far more sense for US customers. "Given the choice between the highest-performing version and having a more subtle version, we choose the highest-performing version," he said.

Furthermore, production constraints would make it difficult to import two versions of the Type R to the US. "We sell every one of these we can get in its current form. We don't have any ability to move up in terms of volume," Marie said. "Creating the mechanism to add an additional variant when demand is already outstripping supply would be complex and not necessarily needed."

Still, if there's suddenly crazy demand from US customers for the Sport Line version, Honda can try to be flexible. It's certainly not likely to happen, but Marie still says, "Never say never."
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Old 02-20-2020, 08:16 AM   #122
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So they think Euro drivers are more mature than USA drivers.. sure Honda.
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Old 02-20-2020, 09:38 AM   #123
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Just bring the grown up version here already.
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Old 02-20-2020, 10:04 AM   #124
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The sport line is MUCH more reasonable. That is actually something I would drive to work without worry of being humiliated. The black interior is leaps and bounds better. No gaudy red accents on the lower components. All the right moves. If they were planning to sell that here it would be moving very close to the top of my list for next vehicle.
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Old 02-20-2020, 10:28 AM   #125
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I would buy the sport line. My gosh thinking how much fun my mazdaspeed 3 was, this would be even better.
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