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Old 09-05-2019, 03:58 PM   #1376
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:21 PM   #1377
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Our resident Teslan is fine spewing platitudes and liquid defecation of the male bovine, but no response to anything real. Whether I use the company as a proxy, or directly, like I did today - nuthin' but fluid stool. I taunt you a second time!

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Old 09-05-2019, 04:28 PM   #1378
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lol c'mon. I responded to how you worded it. Not what the article said.
You know what I meant.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:52 PM   #1380
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Let's examine what you meant for a second. Safety suites are here. Insurance industry will capitalize on it. Now it's willing. Tomorrow it's mandatory. Tomorrow the cars without the safety suites will be ungodly expensive to insure. This isn't limited to Tesla nor Tesla's idea.
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Old 09-06-2019, 12:59 AM   #1381
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Let's examine what you meant for a second. Safety suites are here. Insurance industry will capitalize on it. Now it's willing. Tomorrow it's mandatory. Tomorrow the cars without the safety suites will be ungodly expensive to insure. This isn't limited to Tesla nor Tesla's idea.
I donít think so. More gadgets more bs more insurance costs. The cars without ADAS will go down in annual premiums just like most older cars do. Now the mandatory or standard on every model stuff, yeah thatís coming.
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Old 09-06-2019, 01:58 AM   #1382
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I donít think so. More gadgets more bs more insurance costs. The cars without ADAS will go down in annual premiums just like most older cars do. Now the mandatory or standard on every model stuff, yeah thatís coming.
ABS and airbags same thing with premiums. They were expensive to replace but the premiums went down if your car had them. Not up.
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Old 09-06-2019, 11:08 AM   #1383
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ABS and airbags same thing with premiums. They were expensive to replace but the premiums went down if your car had them. Not up.
You said non-ADAS vehicles will be "Ungodly" expensive to insure. They will not, that is false.
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Old 09-06-2019, 02:13 PM   #1384
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Ruh-roh, the sheep are starting to turn their heads... perhaps some distractions to keep the autopilot stories / calls for recall to a minimum. I know, let's pretend to be competitors with Porsche - spin up some ringers and call our marketing arms, oops, I mean the journalists...

It's beyond a farce. Comical and sickening at the same time, but mainstream continuing to trickle...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/04/tesl...rash-ntsb.html
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Old 09-06-2019, 02:47 PM   #1385
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Ruh-roh, the sheep are starting to turn their heads... perhaps some distractions to keep the autopilot stories / calls for recall to a minimum. I know, let's pretend to be competitors with Porsche - spin up some ringers and call our marketing arms, oops, I mean the journalists...

It's beyond a farce. Comical and sickening at the same time, but mainstream continuing to trickle...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/04/tesl...rash-ntsb.html
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Old 09-06-2019, 03:27 PM   #1386
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Jesus Christ. So that guy's death is now irrelevant because the "old stuff"? Your callousness goes beyond pushing your BS narrative - regardless of your reasoning for doing so. Really ****ty.
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Old 09-06-2019, 04:13 PM   #1387
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Jesus Christ. So that guy's death is now irrelevant because the "old stuff"? Your callousness goes beyond pushing your BS narrative - regardless of your reasoning for doing so. Really ****ty.
death? you mad
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Old 09-06-2019, 04:23 PM   #1388
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Jesus Christ. So that guy's death is now irrelevant because the "old stuff"? Your callousness goes beyond pushing your BS narrative - regardless of your reasoning for doing so. Really ****ty.
Huh? It was a low speed non-injury crash.
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Old 09-06-2019, 04:41 PM   #1389
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^Referring to Mountain View wrongful death lawsuit - sorry, thought I pasted link for it as well. New court docs that I hadn't seen yet - link was from plainsite I believe. Saw Juan's response and yes, got mad, because thought he was responding about the guy who died. Apologies.
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:14 AM   #1390
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which is similar to what a lot of manufacturers have on their cars today.
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How else should they price insurance? Your cholesterol levels?
The future is tax by miles and then will creep in the type car, engine and weight with more taxes and then a CO2 tax included. The C02 tax will arise again and effect every part of your lifes energy use or waste you make.
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https://insideevs.com/news/369722/te...million-miles/

Tesla's Jeff Dahn Unveils Million-Mile Battery Cell
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Old 09-09-2019, 02:51 PM   #1393
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And yet a (car) guy on a different forum thinks batteries haven't improved at all since the first EVs in the early 1900's, and therefore they're going to fail once .gov subsidies are removed

This article has some more details, and an interesting observation that due to all of the 20 year warranties, this announcement is just making public what the companies already knew.

https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2019/09/...m-ion-battery/
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Old 09-09-2019, 03:07 PM   #1394
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And if you leave your fab and or card at home and rely solely on the app, then what?
Then you're an idiot for relying on convenience?


Do you rely on the vending machine for lunch, or is it nice for a snack?
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Then you're an idiot for relying on convenience?


Do you rely on the vending machine for lunch, or is it nice for a snack?
This has to be a pretty stupid comparison. Maybe try again?

Edit: I’ll actually give you a correct example. Leaving your garage door opener at home or in a 2nd car because you’re rear view mirror / in car app / etc is programmed to open it.

I’d be willing to bet that most people who have the ability to not carry a garage door opener in their car because they have technology to do so within the car, usually leave a garage door opener at home or 2nd vehicle.

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Old 09-09-2019, 03:17 PM   #1396
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And yet a (car) guy on a different forum thinks batteries haven't improved at all since the first EVs in the early 1900's, and therefore they're going to fail once .gov subsidies are removed

This article has some more details, and an interesting observation that due to all of the 20 year warranties, this announcement is just making public what the companies already knew.

https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2019/09/...m-ion-battery/
This battery could pair nicely with Tesla's million mile motor scheduled to go in the Semi.
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Old 09-09-2019, 03:41 PM   #1397
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This has to be a pretty stupid comparison. Maybe try again?

Edit: I’ll actually give you a correct example. Leaving your garage door opener at home or in a 2nd car because you’re rear view mirror / in car app / etc is programmed to open it.

I’d be willing to bet that most people who have the ability to not carry a garage door opener in their car because they have technology to do so within the car, usually leave a garage door opener at home or 2nd vehicle.
Except if I can't park in the garage, it's a very minor inconvenience. Also, I can still walk into my house and push the button, or use my key or just park in the street.


Many options.




Unlike working 10 hours without eating.
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I donít think so. More gadgets more bs more insurance costs. The cars without ADAS will go down in annual premiums just like most older cars do. Now the mandatory or standard on every model stuff, yeah thatís coming.
My 2017 Pacifica with the advanced safety system (lane change warning, adaptive cruise, etc) that retailed at $50k costs less to insure than my 8 year old mini cooper S (retailed at $26k) with no safety features, my 9 year old A3 (retailed at $35k)with no safety features, and less than my 1998 box truck that gets driven a few hundred miles a year. Older (and originally cheaper) doesn't always mean lower insurance.
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My 2017 Pacifica with the advanced safety system (lane change warning, adaptive cruise, etc) that retailed at $50k costs less to insure than my 8 year old mini cooper S (retailed at $26k) with no safety features, my 9 year old A3 (retailed at $35k)with no safety features, and less than my 1998 box truck that gets driven a few hundred miles a year. Older (and originally cheaper) doesn't always mean lower insurance.
That's not an apples-to-apples comparison; you need to compare an older version of "Car A" without safety tech to a newer version of "Car A" with safety tech; once you cross manufacturer and size class lines all bets are off.

Without getting into all of the specifics, a few factors in insurance are risk of injury to occupants, replacement part costs, likelihood of accident/at risk behavior of driver, likelihood of total loss.

here's an example; try to insure a basic V8 Mustang (eg. not a vintage show car, not a cobra/GT-XXX etc.) from each decade from the 60's on up and see what the rates are; I'm willing to bet that insurance rates from the fourth gen (up to MY2004) all the way back to the first gen are fairly similar for a similar car, fifth gens will be more (MY2005-MY2014) and sixth gens the most (obviously). Granted the mustang isn't on the forefront of safety tech, but it's a good example of how insurance rates go down as a vehicle ages and how it's not related to safety technology.
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The insurance quote showed specifically that having the ADAS dropped the cost of coverage significantly.
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