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Old 11-02-2006, 11:05 PM   #1
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I just noticed this setup on ebay. I tried searching on here to see if it has been posted but I got 7 pages of not one thread with the word "devil" in it. I don't know what's going on with the search feature. Anyway, how is it possible to get a T304 stainless steel, mandrel bent turboback exhaust AND manifold for $399 plus $59 shipping?? I understand that welds can be bad or whatever but still, that's a steal at that price! Here is the link and here are the pics.








I'd probably swap out the axelback for something other than that melon launcher. We'll see.


Also, you can buy just the turboback for $330 with free shipping.
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:08 PM   #2
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TURBO BACK EXHAUST:

100% Brand New. Never been Tried or Installed.
Comes with all Gaskets and Accessories.
Made of High Quality T304 Stainless Steel with CNC Mandrel-Bent Tubing.
O2 Sensor Insertion & Metal Gasket.
Deep & Strong Tone
Catback Exhaust: 3" Piping with 4.5" Tip
Up-Pipe: 2.25" Piping
Bellmouth Downpipe: 3" Piping with 4" Bellmouth Outlet




TURBO MANIFOLD:

100% Brand New. Never been Tried or Installed.
Made of High Quality T304 Stainless Steel with CNC Mandrel-Bent Tubing.
O2 Sensor Insertion & Metal Gasket.
Light Weight. Add Instant Horsepower (10-15 hp).
Easy Direct bolt-on Installation, Require NO Modification.
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:23 PM   #3
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does the DP use a donut gasket where it connects to the catback and is that a resonater on the DP or a cat?

let us know about any fitment issues
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Old 11-02-2006, 11:47 PM   #4
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i swear to god some day im going to buy a used wrx and buy all ebay parts. those parts look good!
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Old 11-03-2006, 02:02 AM   #5
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Looks like a cat in the DP....it also looks like the parts are non standard shape. All other downpipes I've seen curve a bit towards the end...where the cats are. This one is straight....so is the muffler, which is bent pipe from the midpipe back. That means that likely all other mufflers and downpipes will not fit this exhaust if you wished to change anything on it.
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Old 11-03-2006, 04:47 AM   #6
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^ Why would it need a extreme curve in it like other DP's, it has a flex section in it. As far as the bends in teh catback section, the midpipe looks like it has the standard Impreza curve. The axelback on the other hand is hard to tell. This is most likely because of where the hangers are located. I think you could switch axelbacks though and even if a different axelback doesn't line-up right, you can always take it to an exhaust shop and have the flange cut and welded to fit. As far as the welds on this one, tough to tell how good they are, but they do however look very similar to the Helix style welds, which I believe are a robot welds. I would say take a chance, if it doesn't work there are plenty of people that would buy it.
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Old 11-03-2006, 05:09 AM   #7
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oh yeah also i wouldnt use any of those crappy gaskets on the ex mani and uppipe turbo area

only ones id use is the gaskets after the downpipe
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Old 11-03-2006, 02:27 PM   #8
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Well can anyone tell me what I should be looking for or asking the seller? Any specific questions that could make or break the decision to buy the system?
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Old 11-04-2006, 02:12 PM   #9
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Old 11-04-2006, 04:55 PM   #10
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2.25inches for an uppipe is way too big. Thats 57mm's. An aftermarket uppipe should be around 45mm-47mm unless a huge turbo like the gt35r is being used.

Also are those cats or dual resonators? Ask the seller.

Fitment would be the primary issue along with quality. They claim a 10-15hp gain for the manifold but say its never before been tried or fitted, so how could they possibly know a hp gain from the manifold? Bull**** claims.
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Old 11-04-2006, 10:56 PM   #11
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I'm not sure on the uppipe, but everything else looks like it is of good quality. I would buy it, definitely give a review.

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Old 11-05-2006, 01:43 AM   #12
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wouldn't trust 304 steel on the headers...but at that price they are disposable I guess
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Old 11-05-2006, 05:17 AM   #13
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Answers to most of your questions...

first of all, vendow prolly won't be of much help, they most likely don't know jack schist about their products.

second, I can almost gaurantee that the vendor is only making $30-$50 on the sale after all the fees. They get all their products from China, mass produced, and almost all the items you see for sale are from the same factory in China. If they look the same, they most likely are.

third, you will 99% run into minor fitment issues, like the header bends not quite clearing the STi's front subframe U-brace (get a cheapo harbor freight grinder ready).

fourth, the gaskets are most likely fine, and the bolts shouldbe good grade 8 or higher bolts, you should be fine with that stuff as long as they don't look like [email protected]

fifth, Better be prepared to ONLY use their stuff, as the flanges and routing of the pipes most likely don't match up to ANY stock parts, and therefore wil not match up to any aftermarket parts designed to go on in pieces (ie, catback only, axel back only, dp only, uppipe only, etc)

companies like this wh0re out products from their garage or a small warehouse stacked to the ceiling with parts for a million other cars. They have a program that automatically tracks inventory and lists stuff on ebay following an ad template. All they do is "go to work" a couple days a week, answer non-support related emails, and slap shipping labels onto corresponding boxes. You are almost gauranteed to NOT get ANY aftermarket support, and don't count on the products to stand up too well to UPS/FedEx package handlers.

Other than that... they'll perform just fine, since most of the products are just copies of name brand products with slight changes, and don't expect them to last too long... I'd estimate 2 yrs max w/ stock tune or mild tuning... once EGT's get up there, T304 headers will start to wear... T304 is easily polished, thus more widely used, T321? is more resilient, but much much harder to polish.

Quality headers are made in Taiwan, NOT China... Japan only deals with Taiwan for manufacturing for a reason... QUALITY CONTROL.

oh yeah.... another thing on the cost.

Yes, they're CNC welded, YES it's CNC mandrel-bent... setup time takes longer for the CNC process, but if you need to pump out 100, 200, 500 units... it greatly cuts costs. load a tube, hit GO, goo next CNC machine, load tube, hit GO, repeat all day... automatic conveyer takes bent tubes to another station where someon loads the pipes onto a jig and a hits GO on a CNC welder, etc... you get the point.
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Old 11-05-2006, 06:39 AM   #14
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So did anyone put these babies on yet? I heard Al's car actually had an ebay header and it did perform.. Please do post a review.. a dyno test would rock even more. So is it catted?
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Im not going to talk any ish on these products...I'm just going to say that when it comes to the aftermarket and automotive parts...you tend to get what you pay for. Here are some welds I saw in person from an ebay exhaust...I couldnt help but take pics.






No, its not a subaru, but dude...you know that there is no way in hell those parts are even close to the quality of Helix(which is on the low end of subaru products IMO).

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^^^^ the welds on the ebay exhaust look better than that in the pictures, but who knows?, i plan on eventually buying this exhaust just to test fitment, perf, etc...

prolly the paycheck after xmas these puppies will be at my doorstep
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Old 11-05-2006, 10:14 AM   #17
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aznatama, thanks a whole lot for posting all of that. I think I'm going to pass on this deal for now. Eventhough it's cheap, I don't think it's worth the headaches it will probably create. I'll wait for someone to install/write a review on these.
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Old 11-05-2006, 11:29 AM   #18
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ok, that hole on the header where it meets the turbo is massive!! match that to a ported turbo and get mad spool!!!! i might pick one of these headers up and do a writeup
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The setup from the ebay article resembles my Megan Header and CBE. I didnt buy mine off ebay, just saying it looks exactly like mine.
I had no fitment issues. I have had the header for 1 month but the exhaust for almost three years.
After hard winter months the CBE polishes right back to its new state. The header is to be determined.
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Old 11-05-2006, 12:15 PM   #20
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I havent seen any ebay exhausts that look as bad as these pics. They look like pics of a homemade job.

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Im not going to talk any ish on these products...I'm just going to say that when it comes to the aftermarket and automotive parts...you tend to get what you pay for. Here are some welds I saw in person from an ebay exhaust...I couldnt help but take pics.






No, its not a subaru, but dude...you know that there is no way in hell those parts are even close to the quality of Helix(which is on the low end of subaru products IMO).

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ok, that hole on the header where it meets the turbo is massive!! match that to a ported turbo and get mad spool!!!! i might pick one of these headers up and do a writeup
You understand that having an uppipe that big slows down the velocity and hurts spoolup correct?

Bigger doesn't constitute better in this scenario.
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Old 11-05-2006, 06:23 PM   #22
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If anything, couldn't I just not install the uppipe?
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If anything, couldn't I just not install the uppipe?
Uppipe its built into the headers.

You have a brand new car, don't put a cheap exhaust on it thats going to rust.

To me that highly polished steel looks like its chinsy and is going to rust.
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I've seen blind monkeys weld better than that! Holy cow!
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I've seen blind monkeys weld better than that! Holy cow!
i might be interested in buying some of these monkeys, if i throw them out my window when i get cut off will they assault the other driver??
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