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Old 01-24-2005, 12:26 PM   #76
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I think that if there were to be a 400hp Impreza, there would be no room for a STi Legacy. What would that come with?? 450hp?? Too many people wanting a Legacy STi for Subaru to not take a look at this.
I can see perhaps a 325 - 340hp Impreza STi, with perhaps a 350 - 360hp Legacy STi. There has to be model differentiation.
Even if there will never be a Legacy STi in the US, I think a jump of 33% in power is optomistic. What will it come with in 2010... 532hp??
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Old 01-24-2005, 01:17 PM   #77
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Yeah, look at past history, mabye 1-2HP per year increases, not 100hp. Granted, over there they had the gentlemans agreement (which in recent years has been completely ignored) and that kept HP down, but still, i'm not expecting anything huge.

I'm still voting for a 400hp Forrester STi w/ a H6
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Old 01-24-2005, 03:37 PM   #78
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I heard the 2006 will be a hybrid and run off of rainbows and day dreams.

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Old 01-25-2005, 01:09 AM   #79
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I heard the 2006 will be a hybrid and run off of rainbows and day dreams.

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I just hope it has gravy in the trunk and biscuit wheels
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:18 AM   #80
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I think subaru is having enough trouble finding buyers who like the STi's youthful style, yet still have enough funds or age to afford the insurance.. adding on another 400hp isn't going to help.
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:27 AM   #81
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This is all fine and dandy... but will the Trunkmonkey that comes with it now require something better than a Premium Lager? It's expensive enough as it is right now for him... and more frequent visits to the Packy too...

What would it run on? Rum?
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:30 AM   #82
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This is all fine and dandy... but will the Trunkmonkey that comes with it now require something better than a Premium Lager? It's expensive enough as it is right now for him... and more frequent visits to the Packy too...

What would it run on? Rum?
What? you mean I have to feed my trunkmonkey??!!!! (runs out to car).
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Old 01-25-2005, 09:35 AM   #83
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It really matters what dealer you go to. I remember when i was shopping for a new car, the mitsudealer had three 2003 evos on their lot for some time. After a few conversations with the salesman the guy said within 4 or 5 months they are releasing a MR edition with a 6speed and slightly more HP. When we went to the subaru dealership we asked for a test drive in a STI. I asked the salesman in the back of the car, whats this dccd setting thing and how does it work. "I don't know but just leave it on automatic". The mitsu guy was really nice, he admitted that the stock clutch sucks and gave us info on the upcomming MR.

You guys are lucky. At least your dealers will actually let you test drive an STI. I went to one here and they wouldn't let me drive one. I wanted to see how my modifed wrx would compare to a stock sti and see if it was worth going farther into debt. Needless to say I've driven one of my customers' modifed STI....whoohoo!!!
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:07 AM   #84
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Word on the NOVA streets is the STI will have a twin turbo H6 with leather, a sunroof, AWD with 8 wheels, a cup holder big enough to hold a tall boy Steel Reserve and a tow hick to accomodate the red necks that want to compete in rig towing. That is what my dealer said when I asked for a super fast, pig towing 4 door sedan...

I can have dreams can't I
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:37 AM   #85
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What about the RA spec C? I'm guessing that this is what the dealer was talking about.

I can't believe no one else brought this up...
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:41 AM   #86
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I am speculating like everyone else, but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS, etc. (a well equiped WRX can easily get into the upper 20's which is about what an EVO RS lists for). If the WRX has the 250hp Legacy engine, I think it would require Subaru to push the STI's power up some to justify the price difference between the STI and the WRX. I don't know if this means 400hp but I could definitly see 350hp or so. The above is purely wishfull thinking, but I think required to continue selling the WRX for close to $30k and the STI for almost $35K. Also keep in mind that much has changed since the WRX came out in '01. We now have EVO's, MazdaSpeed 6's, Altima's with 255hp, etc. It seems that all cars are getting much faster and the WRX is not the standout it once was.
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:47 AM   #87
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but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS

The WRX and Evo RS are not competitors.

First off, the RS is being made in very limited quantities (less than 1,000 a year).

Second, it's a complete stripper. It's built to be the basis of a rally car build up. The WRX is a daily driver with creature comforts.

That said, I do think the WRX is going to get the Legacy GT's drivetrain. Though, I'm 50/50 on whether it will recieve the same state of tune. I'm expecting slightly less than the 250/250 numbers from the GT, at least on paper.

My call for the new impreza line.

Impreza RS - further tweaks will give us about 175hp on the NA 2.5L

Impreza WRX - about 235hp/240lb-ft toruqe on paper (in reality, it will basically be the same as the Legacy GT)

Impreza WRX STi - 320hp/310 lb-ft torque.
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Old 01-25-2005, 12:10 PM   #88
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Wrong! For example. The new ESX STi will sport 425hp be 50 state legal and still have the subaru factory warranty.
It doesn't have a Subaru warranty. It has one through ESX, big difference.
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Old 01-25-2005, 12:25 PM   #89
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Is the STI will have 500awhp, 300tq. Just relaying what I heard...



Seriously this rumors stuff is getting ridiculous. People basing opinions on crappy photochops and stupid salesman at the dealerships. Just wait till something is getting leaked, until then let's just drewl, bitch, and compare other brands.
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Old 01-25-2005, 12:32 PM   #90
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Is the STI will have 500awhp, 300tq. Just relaying what I heard...



Seriously this rumors stuff is getting ridiculous. People basing opinions on crappy photochops and stupid salesman at the dealerships. Just wait till something is getting leaked, until then let's just drewl, bitch, and compare other brands.
Now did this comment warrant a new thread?

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Old 01-25-2005, 12:40 PM   #91
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Second that motion.

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Old 01-25-2005, 12:53 PM   #92
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Its the darn rumors forum... chill out. We don't want to quell rumors because some of them are true and can be informational.... not all of them of course, but then if they all were true they wouldn't be called rumors.
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Now did this comment warrant a new thread?

Bob
Again, we go back to this... his comment was not a "rumor" it was a "comment".
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Old 01-25-2005, 01:13 PM   #94
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I could see what bull3964 said actually happening. SoA needs to step up, and give the WRX a little more power than it currently has to stay competitive with the new cars that are out now.
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Old 01-25-2005, 01:34 PM   #95
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I think subaru is having enough trouble finding buyers who like the STi's youthful style, yet still have enough funds or age to afford the insurance.. adding on another 400hp isn't going to help.
If only SOA had ordered up 500+ less STi sedans each year, and made 500+ STi wagons...
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Old 01-25-2005, 02:18 PM   #96
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it's just some of these rumors, well let's be real here, lies are being discussed like they have any real basis to them. We all know salesmen are idiots so bother posting what you heard from them. If I discussed or believed half of what a salesman told me, there wouldn't an STI, the 2004 STI is worth way more than sticker close to 50k, and WRXs get all the babes at the meets. Give me a break
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Old 01-26-2005, 01:07 AM   #97
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It's at least reasonable to assume that Subaru will do something to keep interest in the car this year. The market it's targeted at demands constant evolution, and they are sure to oblige. My guess would just be improved handling and perhaps a steering angle sensor for the awd system. But there will be something, and there will be at least small changes visually to keep the versions differentiated. Look at your history.
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Old 01-26-2005, 08:17 AM   #98
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I don't think anybody was denying that the STi would evolve.. version 9 is just around the corner, I'm sure.. but a 100hp leap is rediculous. We got the 2.5L STi in the US because 120hp/L is a safe enough tune for emissions. The Evo is already pushing the emissions boundry with 140hp/L.. 400hp would be 160hp/L. The NOX emissions from a 160hp/L turbocharged engine would be too much, I'm sure.

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Old 01-26-2005, 07:51 PM   #99
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Old 01-26-2005, 11:37 PM   #100
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This is a Rumor message board, so if some people here don't want to read rumors and can't help but flame other members about what they are hearing from inside sources, do us a favor and don't post here on the news and RUMORS board anymore.
I would also recomend that if you are going to go on record saying that another member's rumor is FOS, then put your own prediction or "rumor" on record here so that we can really find out who is FOS when the new models come out. This statement is not directed at the majority of very kind members we have here, but more to the very few vocal minority jerks that just can't imagine that the 06 STI will have more horsepower and new looks. I really enjoy reading and talking to most of the good members here, but a few of you are just in total denial about any changes in the WRX/STI for 06 and are going to look pretty silly in a few months when the new models come out. My .02
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