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Old 05-21-2018, 11:27 AM   #351
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better handling than an M3....I will believe it when I see it. So typical of Elon to spout off headline click bait.
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$78k? Good god that seems insanely expensive. At that price point Id rather pick up a used P series car. Im just not seeing the value in a $78k model 3 regardless of the acceleration numbers. But to each their own and Im sure the list will increase for the awd version.
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Old 05-21-2018, 12:29 PM   #353
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So $10K more than an M3? Guess we will have to wait and see how it performs all the way around.
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Old 05-21-2018, 12:33 PM   #354
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bigger battery means even more weight. Say goodbye to those stock brake pads.

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Old 05-21-2018, 12:41 PM   #355
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bigger battery means even more weight. Say goodbye to those stock brake pads.

Track any stock car and see how well the factory pads last.

100% agree the model 3 will need at least pads before seeing track duty; much like any other car that isn't built with track duty in mind (or some that are... something something cooling issues Ford and GM something something GT350 & corvette something something)
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Old 05-21-2018, 12:46 PM   #356
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fair point sir.
My biggest hiccup is claiming a heavy model 3 will have better handling than an M3 is bold. I cannot wait how bends the truth in this one. WHat metric will he use to claim victory on that comparison.
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Old 05-21-2018, 12:50 PM   #357
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So now that Elon has made the claim that this will handle / perform better than the M3, we can now start asking for real life track times / performance metrics, correct? I know before we had a discussion / debate on whether it was pointless to get those metrics for a standard model 3.
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Old 05-21-2018, 01:10 PM   #358
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So $10K more than an M3? Guess we will have to wait and see how it performs all the way around.
yeah I was surprised that it was that expensive but they are adding 20" wheels and tires and who knows what suspension and brake stuff. I wish it had started at 65K I am somewhat disappointed; although a few people should be able to get it for $70,500 with the federal rebate.

When you add packages to the BMW M3 you can get into the $110k+


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So now that Elon has made the claim that this will handle / perform better than the M3, we can now start asking for real life track times / performance metrics, correct? I know before we had a discussion / debate on whether it was pointless to get those metrics for a standard model 3.
Yeah will have to wait because beating the M3 in a straight line should be easy for a Tesla but at the track is a different animal.
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Old 05-21-2018, 01:15 PM   #359
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fair point sir.
My biggest hiccup is claiming a heavy model 3 will have better handling than an M3 is bold. I cannot wait how bends the truth in this one. WHat metric will he use to claim victory on that comparison.
The model 3 18" wheels curb right now is 3897 lbs and they have to add the front motor, invertor and relate hardware.

The BMW M3 with the competition package is 3633 lbs.

no bueno
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Old 05-21-2018, 01:53 PM   #360
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No metric comparison will have squat to do with the fate of the Model 3. It wins because it's in mega demand. The M3 has competition and loyalists. The Model 3 has ZERO competition and infinitely more loyalists the longer Tesla stays in business.
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Old 05-21-2018, 02:27 PM   #361
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yeah I was surprised that it was that expensive but they are adding 20" wheels and tires and who knows what suspension and brake stuff. I wish it had started at 65K I am somewhat disappointed; although a few people should be able to get it for $70,500 with the federal rebate.

When you add packages to the BMW M3 you can get into the $110k+




Yeah will have to wait because beating the M3 in a straight line should be easy for a Tesla but at the track is a different animal.
That's a good point. Just a quick good says the M3 with the competition package is $87,000.

If the Tesla can match it's performance on track (not just a straight line), then good on Tesla.
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Tesla Model 3 review falls short of Consumer Reports recommendation

CN: Fast, great range, and good handling, but inconsistent braking, fussy touchscreen-only controls, wind noise (hadn't heard that one before), and rear seat comfort kicked it down in the ratings.
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On the Cabin/wind noise I keep hearing I'd like to see scientific numbers of cabin noise. I wonder how much is actual additional wind noise, and how much is due to no engine noise to drown it out.
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Old 05-21-2018, 03:12 PM   #364
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On the Cabin/wind noise I keep hearing I'd like to see scientific numbers of cabin noise. I wonder how much is actual additional wind noise, and how much is due to no engine noise to drown it out.
They didn't complain of such noise with the Model S or X, fwiw.
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Old 05-21-2018, 03:16 PM   #365
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Tesla Model 3 review falls short of Consumer Reports recommendation

CN: Fast, great range, and good handling, but inconsistent braking, fussy touchscreen-only controls, wind noise (hadn't heard that one before), and rear seat comfort kicked it down in the ratings.
And they just updated the rear seats and coils for comfort lol. Oh well.

The braking thing is weird other maganize reviewers got good numbers and imagine they brake test it more than once. Motor trend got 119 feet.

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Old 05-21-2018, 03:31 PM   #366
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They didn't complain of such noise with the Model S or X, fwiw.
Id still like to actual numbers
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No metric comparison will have squat to do with the fate of the Model 3. It wins because it's in mega demand. The M3 has competition and loyalists. The Model 3 has ZERO competition and infinitely more loyalists the longer Tesla stays in business.
I think this falls under the category of "DUH." No one is expecting it to sway sales, also its doing is validating or invalidating Elons claims and credibility. Trying to draw anything more or less than that doesn't matter.
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Old 05-21-2018, 03:57 PM   #368
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Id still like to actual numbers
I didn't see any numbers in their review:

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The Model 3 has a whisper-quiet electric power plant. But because there is an absence of engine sounds, ambient noise from passing cars and road noise on coarse pavement is more noticeable than it is on other cars. With the large glass roof, there's a pronounced level of wind rustle at highway speeds.
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I do want to see another independent review of the emergency 60-0 breaking distance test. CR put together an average of 152 feet while Tesla has it at 133 feet. If that break distance is true, that’s pretty god damn awful and an f150 stops significantly quicker than a Model 3 60-0. Again, I want another source or two to perform the test for validation before reserving final judgement.
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I do want to see another independent review of the emergency 60-0 breaking distance test. CR put together an average of 152 feet while Tesla has it at 133 feet. If that break distance is true, thats pretty god damn awful and an f150 stops significantly quicker than a Model 3 60-0. Again, I want another source or two to perform the test for validation before reserving final judgement.
I am thinking they experienced a mechanical failure of some sort. The first stop was 130 feet, then 152 on the ones after. If I had to guess, I think they lost a rear caliper.
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I do want to see another independent review of the emergency 60-0 breaking distance test. CR put together an average of 152 feet while Tesla has it at 133 feet. If that break distance is true, thats pretty god damn awful and an f150 stops significantly quicker than a Model 3 60-0. Again, I want another source or two to perform the test for validation before reserving final judgement.

Consumer Reports tested another Model 3 and had the same results: short first stop, longer afterwards, even after cooling down overnight.
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Consumer Reports tested another Model 3 and had the same results: short first stop, longer afterwards, even after cooling down overnight.
mechanically that doesn't make since. Sure, for consecutive stops it does, but not with significant time between.
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For those that have received the invite to configure their model 3, are they able to order just a bare bones base model or has that been removed for now? If so, what’s the minimum starting price point available for order?
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Old 05-21-2018, 05:51 PM   #374
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For those that have received the invite to configure their model 3, are they able to order just a bare bones base model or has that been removed for now? If so, whats the minimum starting price point available for order?
49K = 35k base + 9k long range battery + 5k premium interior is what can be ordered right now.

AWD and performance are only available to some people depending on where they are on the list.

On my configurator it says base 35K Standard battery "Late '18"
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Edmunds has a Model 3 as a long term tester. They seem pretty upset about the problems they've experienced, but most of their complaints were really related to one faulty touch screen.

https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-...pril-2018.html
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We did local commuting and a few freeway journeys, sure, but everywhere we went the car was fraught with problems. Sixteen weeks into ownership, we've had so many issues with our Model 3 that we started a shared Google Doc to catalog various warning messages, necessary screen resets and general failures.
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  • Performance, handling, and range are very good.
  • Poor rear seat comfort
  • Door handles too gimicky making it more work than it should be to get into the car
  • Inside door release buttons not easy to find - even for people that have used them previously
  • Car continuously complained about rear seatbelt not being belted when the rear seat was folded down and loaded with cargo.

Here is a list of their logbook complaints on their 4 month old / 5000mi Model 3:
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Would not recognize keycard in or on the console and hence would not go into gear. It did, however, unlock the car. Workaround was to force quit the app and restart the app. Then it would allow the choice of Drive or Reverse.

The backup camera screen did not appear when reversing.

Nav screen going haywire: zooming, scrolling, pinching, pixelating all at once.

Audio system turning on by itself at full volume.

Audio display randomly moving up and down the screen without any command from a human.

Audio system came on and went to full volume all by itself while the car was off, locked and unoccupied. I heard it from 100 yards away. "Who is that joker playing his stereo so loud I can hear it from here?" Oh, it's Elon. I turned it down, but it kept wavering up and down as I started driving, working against my repeated attempts to dial it down. Then it blasted all the way to maximum. My ears are still ringing two hours later. Fixed after reboot. Not sure about hearing damage.

Audio page leaping up and down rapidly like the up-caret button to expand the source menu was being played with by a kid who ate too much candy. Concurrent with the volume problem above. Same reboot.

Icons on the map screen flickering.

The passenger vanity mirror fell off completely. Installed and held on only by double-sided tape. Reinstalled by pressing really hard on the mirror.

The screen went completely dark on startup, no music or operation. Restarted the car. The screen worked; the backup camera did not.
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