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Old 04-24-2008, 11:10 AM   #101
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cant see the pics at work, but glad your ok. treat yourself to a nice cookout this weekend.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:12 AM   #102
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It is impossible to correctly guess someone else's speed from impact. You do realize that he hit the front of my car and my car started to spin, right? So it was a glancing hit off the front of the car. It wasn't like he T-boned me at 50. I'm guessing he was going 50 because after he hit me, he went over a concrete median and continued to roll another 100 yards before the vehicle stopped on the curb. What would you guess his speed at impact to be then?
Did he brake at all? If it was a glancing hit off the front then he could have been going 50mph.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:14 AM   #103
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Did he brake at all? If it was a glancing hit off the front then he could have been going 50mph.
No, I really don't think he hit the brakes at all. He certainly didn't hit them after the impact either. This is why I think he was either drunk or asleep.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:15 AM   #104
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50mph is a really fast speed to take a hit at though. If he had broadsided you dead on at 50mph you would likely be dead.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:20 AM   #105
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If it was a direct enough blow to spin you, there would be more damage at that speed and you would have spun more. If it has been glancing, there should be less crumple damage. I'm not questioning you - but others will. If they think your capable of exaggeration, it's going to make the entire process more difficult. Just don't mention your perception of his speed because whether you're right or wrong, it looks as though you're wrong - the damage is what it is.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:22 AM   #106
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50mph is a really fast speed to take a hit at though. If he had broadsided you dead on at 50mph you would likely be dead.
Yeah, I'm really glad that I wasn't going any faster and that I was able to see him and brake when I did. Seeing him, braking, and then impact had to all happen in a fraction of a second.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:24 AM   #107
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nothing like bitching like a little girl about a fender bender - grow some balls kid.



























































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Old 04-24-2008, 11:25 AM   #108
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If it was a direct enough blow to spin you, there would be more damage at that speed and you would have spun more. If it has been glancing, there should be less crumple damage. I'm not questioning you - but others will. If they think your capable of exaggeration, it's going to make the entire process more difficult. Just don't mention your perception of his speed because whether you're right or wrong, it looks as though you're wrong - the damage is what it is.
Fair enough. What is your estimation of speed based on when a vehicle strikes another one, then still has enough momentum to coast over a concrete median and then still coast about another 70 yards beyond that until it finally came to rest on a curb?
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:26 AM   #109
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Damm - well at least you werent hurt AOD.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:34 AM   #110
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just saw this. glad you ok, even though you can be a meanyface
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:49 AM   #111
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It is impossible to correctly guess someone else's speed from impact. You do realize that he hit the front of my car and my car started to spin, right? So it was a glancing hit off the front of the car. It wasn't like he T-boned me at 50. I'm guessing he was going 50 because after he hit me, he went over a concrete median and continued to roll another 100 yards before the vehicle stopped on the curb. What would you guess his speed at impact to be then?
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Fair enough. What is your estimation of speed based on when a vehicle strikes another one, then still has enough momentum to coast over a concrete median and then still coast about another 70 yards beyond that until it finally came to rest on a curb?
Is it 100 or 70?

If he was out of it - passed out or whatever, he could have hit you at 25 and kept on rolling for 500 yards. The distance, whatever it is, is only important if he was braking, which you say he wasn't. Look, I'm not arguing with you. But to be taken seriously by LEOs and insurance personal, you need to be consistent and believable.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:52 AM   #112
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Is it 100 or 70?

If he was out of it - passed out or whatever, he could have hit you at 25 and kept on rolling for 500 yards. The distance, whatever it is, is only important if he was braking, which you say he wasn't. Look, I'm not arguing with you. But to be taken seriously by LEOs and insurance personal, you need to be consistent and believable.
About 100 from the point of impact, about 70 from after going over the concrete median. So you honestly believe that he could have been going 25 MPH, hit my car, then coasted OVER a concrete median, then still rolled 70 yards after that before coming to a stop? Yeah, okay, "don't listen to St3fan about vehicle speed estimations." Gotcha.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:04 PM   #113
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Dude, if a Trailblazer had hit you at 50, your car would be in considerably worse shape. I'm not picking holes in your story, but an insurance company might and an LEO might. This could lead to having troubles in court if it comes to that or a rough ride getting paid.

Just a heads up that the pics don't show a Trailblazer hitting your car at 'at least' 50.

Glad you're okay, good luck!
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If it was a direct enough blow to spin you, there would be more damage at that speed and you would have spun more. If it has been glancing, there should be less crumple damage. I'm not questioning you - but others will. If they think your capable of exaggeration, it's going to make the entire process more difficult. Just don't mention your perception of his speed because whether you're right or wrong, it looks as though you're wrong - the damage is what it is.
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Is it 100 or 70?

If he was out of it - passed out or whatever, he could have hit you at 25 and kept on rolling for 500 yards. The distance, whatever it is, is only important if he was braking, which you say he wasn't. Look, I'm not arguing with you. But to be taken seriously by LEOs and insurance personal, you need to be consistent and believable.
That kinda seems like exactly what you're doing.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:06 PM   #114
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About 100 from the point of impact, about 70 from after going over the concrete median. So you honestly believe that he could have been going 25 MPH, hit my car, then coasted OVER a concrete median, then still rolled 70 yards after that before coming to a stop? Yeah, okay, "don't listen to St3fan about vehicle speed estimations." Gotcha.
You said:

"...he went over a concrete median and continued to roll another 100 yards before the vehicle stopped on the curb."


And then you said:

"...[He went] over a concrete median and then still coast about another 70 yards beyond that until it finally came to rest on a curb."

And then you said:

"About 100 from the point of impact, about 70 from after going over the concrete median."

Your story is inconsistent.

The damage is inconsistent with the claimed speed.

I was hoping you wouldn't direct your ire at me. You've made three statements of distance traveled that vary considerably. If you'd had made these statements so differently - say to LEOs and an insurance agent, you leave yourself vulnerable to be pulled apart in court and/or during any claims process.

My advice was to not mention your perception of the speed as it does not appear consistent with the damage. The damage is what it is. And don't mention the distance traveled. The distance you are clearly unsure of and again, it is what it is. Pull your head in and keep quiet when dealing with any legal matters on this or any claim. After a RTA, people are always looking for a payout. (I'm not saying you are.) As such, the legal system and the insurance companies are always looking for people looking for a payout. Any inconsistencies will be seen as disingenuous - it's just the way of things.

So it's best avoided.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:11 PM   #115
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I didn't word my first post well. I was still reeling from the accident. I meant he rolled 100 yards from the point of impact, which is about 70 yards from the concrete median he rolled over.

But, still, I'm wondering how a car could hit another car at 25 MPH and still coast over a concrete median and then coast any distance beyond that, much less 70 yards more.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:27 PM   #116
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Just ignore St3fan, he's going to be sending this **** to your insurance company soon telling them you're committing insurance fraud.

Seriously, lay off St3fan, this isn't Subbie****tard here.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:29 PM   #117
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Sonofa! glad you are ok!!
more importantly.. hows the battery tie down? do i need to send you YET another one ?
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:31 PM   #118
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Glad yore ok, at least it was only a subaru and not something important like a conquest.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:35 PM   #119
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Just ignore St3fan, he's going to be sending this **** to your insurance company soon telling them you're committing insurance fraud.

Seriously, lay off St3fan, this isn't Subbie****tard here.
What a stupid, callous thing to say.

I was just offering devil's advocate advice for entering into a hostile system that's going to try and screw him at every stage. Simple things, like not offering estimates on what happened and sticking to the raw facts - remaining consistent - can help massively if the collision becomes overly litigious or there is dispute from other parties. It's just good advice.

I'm out.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:13 PM   #120
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Sonofa! glad you are ok!!
more importantly.. hows the battery tie down? do i need to send you YET another one ?
Actually, I hadn't put it on yet, so at least that is something good that came out of it. It can go on my next vehicle. BTW: In case anyone didn't know, Tom kicks ass.

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What a stupid, callous thing to say.

I was just offering devil's advocate advice for entering into a hostile system that's going to try and screw him at every stage. Simple things, like not offering estimates on what happened and sticking to the raw facts - remaining consistent - can help massively if the collision becomes overly litigious or there is dispute from other parties. It's just good advice.

I'm out.
I know man, and I do appreciate the advice from a different angle. I was just busting your balls a little because you didn't finish your business card thread.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:40 PM   #121
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FWIW...Stefan's advice is sound.
What's important is consistency, and lack of consistency will break your credibility.
If anything, use this as a forum (pun?...nah.) to make sure you know what you know.
And lock it into your noggin.

What you're saying about being "shook up at the time...sorry I miscommunicated"...that will make a judge/litigation case doubt on the rest of what'cha say.

Take it for what it is...I see it as good, friendly, impartial advice.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:41 PM   #122
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That really sucks....After all the time I have put into my car, I would go ape**** if someone hit me, or if I hit a deer.

so what's the plan with the car now? I'm guessing insurance will consider it totalled.

/too lazy to read/remember previous posts.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:43 PM   #123
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Sorry to hear about the car.


But glad to hear you are OK

WWOTD without teh aod? So many computer threads would be left unanswered. OT needs you sir.
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Old 04-24-2008, 02:05 PM   #124
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That really sucks....After all the time I have put into my car, I would go ape**** if someone hit me, or if I hit a deer.

so what's the plan with the car now? I'm guessing insurance will consider it totalled.

/too lazy to read/remember previous posts.
If I hit a deer, and the deer doesn't die, I'm going to kill it to death and eat it. I hate the way they try and jump out in front of cars here. I'm sure they do it on purpose. The ones in my town are like pets, always in everyone's yard eating plants, no fear of people. They stink, are all diseased from living in a sheltered environment - so they escape Darwin - but no one ponies up to give them veterinarian care - so loads that should have died just wander around with open wounds, leaving ticks everywhere.

If one kamikazes my car I'm going to go caveman on it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 02:11 PM   #125
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wow... sorry about the car and glad you're ok!

can I has the wheels? think they will look nice on 08 5 door?
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