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Old 12-03-2019, 01:28 PM   #1876
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how long will you wait in line ? Holidays or power outages rethink single source fueling
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Old 12-03-2019, 01:31 PM   #1877
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But there is the bigger problem. The cost of vehicles continue to rise at a rapid rate, hence the massively long loan terms now. There's no sign of any of this changing.

There is a difference in how EV's are price structured. The lower prices models/trims yield lower range. There's a premium for longer range. This is different from ICE (non hybrid) cars as lower prices models usually yields higher mpg. Then you pay the premium for more power ( and lower mpg).

So while EV's are gaining range over time. Price is not getting cheaper or you pay that premium for that range.
Correct. But if EV follows the trend of typical technology, price drops significantly over time when volume increases and technology cost less to manufacture. Sure, youíll always pay extra for more range but cost should theoretically come down across the board for the technology.

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As technology costs less, autos keep their prices relatively the same and recognize massive margin increases which blow out wall street expectations.
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Old 12-03-2019, 01:51 PM   #1878
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Correct. But if EV follows the trend of typical technology, price drops significantly over time when volume increases and technology cost less to manufacture. Sure, youíll always pay extra for more range but cost should theoretically come down across the board for the technology.

Or

As technology costs less, autos keep their prices relatively the same and recognize massive margin increases which blow out wall street expectations.
True, but automotive industry does not follow that (generally). In the beginning it did (i.e. Henry Ford era) but since the price of a car has steadily increased because of new technologies, features, and safety. So battery prices may continue to drop but money is invested in the next thing (i.e. solid state batteries, faster charging times, more safety features, convenience features, autonomous driving, etc.).

Smartphones are a great example, they are still expensive. While capabilities are ever increasing, prices remain high because people want more features, integration, etc.
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Old 12-03-2019, 02:15 PM   #1879
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But why are they all sitting there with their lights on? They're probably also playing video games on their in-dash tablet too. And re-charging their cell phone so they can keep tweeting about the long line.

gasoline shortages happen too.
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Old 12-03-2019, 02:22 PM   #1880
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But why are they all sitting there with their lights on? They're probably also playing video games on their in-dash tablet too. And re-charging their cell phone so they can keep tweeting about the long line.

gasoline shortages happen too.
Get a diesel as they make sure always diesel fuel for trucks are necessary. Most highways stops have generators too to keep pumping in outages . The 5-600 mile ranges nice too
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Old 12-03-2019, 03:01 PM   #1881
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But why are they all sitting there with their lights on? They're probably also playing video games on their in-dash tablet too. And re-charging their cell phone so they can keep tweeting about the long line.

gasoline shortages happen too.
this is true, we had that one in the 70's. But since then the US i the largest producer of gas in the entire world. Soooo, not likely. Now we have third world states like California who do not know how to provide electrical power for their own people. That is embarrassing.
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Old 12-03-2019, 03:35 PM   #1882
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True, but automotive industry does not follow that (generally). In the beginning it did (i.e. Henry Ford era) but since the price of a car has steadily increased because of new technologies, features, and safety. So battery prices may continue to drop but money is invested in the next thing (i.e. solid state batteries, faster charging times, more safety features, convenience features, autonomous driving, etc.).

Smartphones are a great example, they are still expensive. While capabilities are ever increasing, prices remain high because people want more features, integration, etc.
A recession can help with a lot of this. Also, a lot of prices rise, especially in tech to increase margin percentage while actual cost stays relatively similar. EVís are still rather expensive but definitely need to come down somehow.

Or they start offering 10 year auto loans (likely to happen) and trapping poor fools in a vicious life of debt because they gotta have it!

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Get a diesel as they make sure always diesel fuel for trucks are necessary. Most highways stops have generators too to keep pumping in outages . The 5-600 mile ranges nice too
Uh, yeah. Totally not a logical argument there. Diesel offerings are few compared to gas and fuel is typically more expensive than your low and mid grade fuel thus costing more to fill than the gas counterpart.
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Old 12-03-2019, 04:20 PM   #1883
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this is true, we had that one in the 70's. But since then the US i the largest producer of gas in the entire world. Soooo, not likely. Now we have third world states like California who do not know how to provide electrical power for their own people. That is embarrassing.
Maybe it's like a store closing: they flick the lights on/off a few times to get people moving out the door.

People better leave California before they shut the doors.
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Old 12-03-2019, 05:14 PM   #1884
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this is true, we had that one in the 70's. But since then the US i the largest producer of gas in the entire world. Soooo, not likely. Now we have third world states like California who do not know how to provide electrical power for their own people. That is embarrassing.
Local gas shortages happen all the time, due to local refinery issues, pipeline issues, storms, etc. I have personally sat in line, and know multiple relatives who were unable to get gas to get themselves out of harms way of a hurricane in Florida.

Not going to touch the unrelated ignorance in the second part of your post.
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Tesla Model X is named Ďstand-out performerí in new safety crash tests

ďThe stand-out performer of this round is undoubtedly Teslaís Model X, scoring 94 percent for Safety Assist, the same as the Model 3 scored early this year. This makes the two Teslas the best performers in this part of the assessment against Euro NCAPís most recent protocols. The recently-updated Model X also achieved an impressive 98 percent for adult occupant protection, making it strong contender for Best in Class this year.Ē
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None really know but if Apple goes after Tesla could be great investment now. Elon is known to want to concentrate on rockets anyway.
https://www.valuewalk.com/2018/12/sa...dictions-2019/
10 wild predictions

EU announces a debt jubilee
Prime Minister Corbyn sends GBPUSD to parity
Trump tells Powell “you’re fired”
Germany enters recession
Apple “secures funding” for Tesla at $520/share
Corporate credit crunch pushes Netflix into GE’s vortex
IMF and World Bank announce intent to stop measuring GDP, focus instead on productivity
Global Transportation Tax (GTT) enacted as climate panic spreads
X-Class solar flare creates chaos and inflicts $2 trillion of damage
Australia launches “TARP Down Under” after nationalising the big four banks

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