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09-17-2019, 11:02 PM | #26 | |
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09-17-2019, 11:42 PM | #27 |
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I don't feel so bad owning a 2016 and 2019 STI concurrently.
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09-18-2019, 06:49 AM | #28 |
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Are you 100% certain that every time the cut happens you're all the way to WOT at the pedal and not lifting even a little? I've noticed the same thing, this sometimes-it-cuts-power-sometimes-it-doesn't, and I still can't say that none of it is on me. I do know that I'm unwilling to drive engines into their rev limiters especially in the lower gears - cars didn't used to have rev limiters, so it was all on the driver to avoid floating the valves into the pistons. Quote:
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09-18-2019, 10:54 AM | #30 | |
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09-18-2019, 11:22 AM | #31 |
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I am in the same situation as you as my lease in my current car is up in March of 2020 and I too am considering a CTR or STI. No dealers in NJ will let me drive a CTR as well but I am leaning towards the STI mainly because of the ridiculous (in my opinion) looks of the CTR. The 2020 CTR is supposedly going to come in a model with a lower trunk wing and possibly more reserved looks so lets see how they look in the next month or two. Good luck!
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09-18-2019, 12:34 PM | #32 |
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There's been a few Civics spotted with the low profile spoiler.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/29609/...tyle-rear-wing |
09-18-2019, 12:57 PM | #33 |
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WRX gearing is too tall for my taste but it's acceptable for daily driving for the most part.
The factory short shifter is a joke on the WRX however. Needs shifter stop regardless. |
09-18-2019, 12:59 PM | #34 |
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It's your money. Buy a CTR now. Maybe in a month, you'll like the 20 STi better. Just trade for that.
Not a fan of the CTR. Especially the back. To me it looks like someone went nuts with a J.C. Whitney catalog and then bolted on Back to the Future Delorean time machine exhausts to the bumper. I'm sure it drives great. Do they have the same gas diluted oil problems that the Earth Dreams engine in the CR-V has? |
09-18-2019, 09:25 PM | #35 | |
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It's probably something that OP (and anybody else, for that matter) needs to evaluate with respect to their particular circumstances. As one example, for somebody like me, being retired, bad weather capability beyond what good tires and a basic AWD can provide doesn't weigh as heavily as it might for somebody with a gotta-get-there-on-time daily commute. If the weather is that bad, I can stay home without burning vacation time or a sick day). I'll have to read up some more on DCCD . . . but for now let's just say I'm uneasy about handing most any vehicle dynamics control decision over to a computer and somebody else's programming. Norm |
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09-18-2019, 09:53 PM | #36 |
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WRX over Type R
My best friend has a type R compared to my WRX, we've always competed from day one. When it came to power gains he had a lot more reliability issues to his car than I did mine. Within 12,000 miles he over heated his car going down PCH. A week later it just continued with it's downgrade. Not saying my Subaru is perfect, probably my biggest issue has just been carbon build up. I've put 112,000 miles on my car in the last 3 years. Yes I just drive that much, but the reliability and the quickness has stayed. He appreciated his type R for the first 19,000 miles before he switched to a 2019 STI recently. He said switching from AWD to FWD was back to AWD made him realize the difference and how much more it stuck to the ground and was a great car for the canyons as well as daily.
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09-19-2019, 12:48 PM | #37 |
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Throttle House posted a video today comparing the Supra vs Mustang GT PP1. The Mustang won the drag race. The Supra edged out the Mustang by a tenth of a second on their road course.
Why is this relevant? Because their leader board shows just how impressive the CTR is against its competitors if lap times is why you're buying the car. Of course this is a tight road course that appeals to the CTR's handling. Add some longer straights and the CTR wouldn't fare as well. The cars they've tested on their road course: Camaro SS 1LE 1:11.58 Mustang GT PP2 1:12.77 BMW M2 Competition 1:13.53 Tesla Model 3 Performance 1:13.95 Honda Civic Type R 1:14.81 Audi RS3 1:14.89 Toyota Supra 1:15.06 Mustang GT PP1 1:15.18 Hyundai Veloster N 1:18.62 VW Golf R 1:20.0 The STI still gets my vote for the driving experience category. My guess is that it would fall around the 1:18-1:20 period on this list. It just depends on what's most important to you. |
09-19-2019, 01:49 PM | #38 |
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For me, the all weather capability is non-negotiable. Both in terms of performance and safety.
Track times and drag races are not very important in my view, but they are relevant to single out overall performance, which IS important even if not vital. Thing is... it's pretty easy to improve those on most of the cars in that list. The way I see it, the Civic Type R is a cheap toy. The Supra an expensive toy. I need neither; but both are cool cars. Last edited by F1EA; 09-20-2019 at 02:12 PM. |
09-20-2019, 01:22 AM | #39 | |
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Intake, Downpipe, Exhaust, e-Tune and call it a day if you want to be conservative. TBH I have 210K on my WRX, because I commute in it 2.5 hours everyday, and it's been e-Tuned for the last eight years. The mountain of mods I have on the thing just make it more enjoyable to drive. |
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09-20-2019, 02:04 PM | #40 | |
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09-23-2019, 09:57 AM | #41 |
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iirc theres a youtube video of specifically the sti vs ctr, the end result of the individual doing the tests described the ctr as the better track car but the sti being the better daily. personally I love my sti, the gas mileage is horrible but I feel it makes the drive worth it and I enjoy going to and from work...not necessarily the work itself lol but the commute is worth it...have done several 240sx's, FC, CRX, MR2 1st and 2nd gen, Civic, Corollas, Firebird just to name a few, all left me wanting for something, the sti satisfies imo all but one or two things I would like to do, basically drive a hypercar for a while lol
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09-24-2019, 10:39 PM | #42 |
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I’m sorry, but the Civic Type-R is one ugly car. I don’t care how good it performs....I wouldn’t be caught dead in that thing. All Type-R’s in the past were fantastic looking cars....but this new one is ugly asf! It’s as if Pontiac Aztek f**ked a new Honda Accord, the offspring is the Civic Type-R. Just my opinion.
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09-27-2019, 01:31 PM | #43 |
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09-27-2019, 02:06 PM | #44 |
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If you're fixated on track times, Type R. Otherwise, I'd go for STI. G'luck
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09-27-2019, 02:21 PM | #45 | |
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We won't be seeing the OP here anymore... he went with the CTR and got a pretty good deal.
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Some of the R owners are former STI owners and preferred the sound, steering feel, and transmission in the STI. Last edited by WRXnick16; 09-27-2019 at 02:33 PM. |
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09-27-2019, 10:00 PM | #46 |
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This thread has been a fun read and so has the one over on civicx. It will probably help a lot of people trying to make the same decision. If I were in the OP shoes, I'd have hung onto the WRX until the next gen comes out, but I can understand his excitement about a new car. I too may be looking at a CTR if the next gen disappoints, but I have to admit it would be hard to leave the subi family after driving them for the past 14 years, some I'm crossing my fingers it will be a home run!
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