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Old 01-23-2015, 08:17 AM   #2401
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This is directly from the Inspection Manual:

(xxii) A tire is smaller than the manufacturer’s
recommended minimum size or below
the manufacturer’s recommended load
rating.

Which means, if you are running a smaller tire size they can fail you. To be honest most people end up going up in size, not smaller. This is not a new law, it has been in the inspection manual for a very long time. The reason they are starting to enforce it more now is do to the "stanced" cars that are out running around with stretched tires.

FYI: I work for PennDOT and the Inspection Manual is one of the publications that I help quite a bit with here at work.
I get that they are trying to generally protect people... but running a narrower tire in the winter is safer.
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Old 01-23-2015, 08:23 AM   #2402
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I get that they are trying to generally protect people... but running a narrower tire in the winter is safer.
I bolded the part that pretty much explains the whole inspection process. Most people are morons, so you have to write rules that blanket the whole populous and unfortunately that often caters to the lowest common denominator.

Not too mention that most drivers would not notice the difference in running a narrower tire vs a slightly wider tire in the snow. It's such a minimal difference that I honestly would not give it a second thought when choosing a winter tire setup.

I still don't under stand why the OP does not just put on their other wheels to get it inspected, then go back home and switch them right back to their winter wheels.
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Old 01-23-2015, 08:37 AM   #2403
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This is directly from the Inspection Manual:



(xxii) A tire is smaller than the manufacturer’s

recommended minimum size or below

the manufacturer’s recommended load

rating.



Which means, if you are running a smaller tire size they can fail you. To be honest most people end up going up in size, not smaller. This is not a new law, it has been in the inspection manual for a very long time. The reason they are starting to enforce it more now is do to the "stanced" cars that are out running around with stretched tires.



FYI: I work for PennDOT and the Inspection Manual is one of the publications that I help quite a bit with here at work.

Thanks for the info. The mechanic told me the same thing about the stretched tires. Mine are by no means stretched and are the recommended size for the wheels i have. They just dont match my door sticker. They are snow tires. Theyre supposed to be smaller... Oh well. Now i know for next year!


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Old 01-23-2015, 08:45 AM   #2404
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I bolded the part that pretty much explains the whole inspection process. Most people are morons, so you have to write rules that blanket the whole populous and unfortunately that often caters to the lowest common denominator.

Not too mention that most drivers would not notice the difference in running a narrower tire vs a slightly wider tire in the snow. It's such a minimal difference that I honestly would not give it a second thought when choosing a winter tire setup.

I still don't under stand why the OP does not just put on their other wheels to get it inspected, then go back home and switch them right back to their winter wheels.
Honestly, having driven winter tires from 205-225 width, I can notice more float on a wider winter tire. But it also comes down to a considerable decrease in price.

The other factor here is that if you can, it's nice to be able to run a taller sidewall in the winter, so then once the wheel size changes it's all different.

As far as why not putting on the originals, I actually don't have any original size tires for my car. I run a wider tire in the summer and narrower in the winter. Sounds like in his case, he could, though.

My thoughts on inspections are this - given that they are apparently watching this more, will every lifted truck fail now? Also, I've always wondered why you can't fail for running a summer tire in the winter (or maybe you can?).
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Old 01-23-2015, 09:09 AM   #2405
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Honestly, having driven winter tires from 205-225 width, I can notice more float on a wider winter tire. But it also comes down to a considerable decrease in price.

The other factor here is that if you can, it's nice to be able to run a taller sidewall in the winter, so then once the wheel size changes it's all different.

As far as why not putting on the originals, I actually don't have any original size tires for my car. I run a wider tire in the summer and narrower in the winter. Sounds like in his case, he could, though.

My thoughts on inspections are this - given that they are apparently watching this more, will every lifted truck fail now? Also, I've always wondered why you can't fail for running a summer tire in the winter (or maybe you can?).
Going to a larger size, in most cases is not the issue. It's going with a smaller than the OEM size when it becomes a problem inspection wise. The reason the shops are failing the OP car is because he is running smaller then OEM size.

The shop is also wrong by telling him that the size must match the sticker inside the door. Because if his tires were either wider or larger in size (18" instead of 17") that would not be a cause for the inspection to fail. It's the going down in size that's the issue.

The reason this is being monitored more closely is because of all the cars running stretched tires i.e. Stanced. It really is that simple.

Wide v.s narrow in winter tires is not nearly as critical as the all-season vs. winter tire difference. On a street car a couple of millimeters in width is not going to be the difference between you ending up in a ditch or making it home safely. It's really a minimal difference performance wise, but more to do with the price of the tires (like you stated above).

I myself am running a narrower and smaller wheel size than stock as a winter setup on my 2015 STI for the simple reason that it was cheaper.

Lifted trucks, by the letter of the law are restricted by bumper height and tire protrusion past the wheel arches. But that's a whole other issue. Lol


I am not running OEM tires on my WRX or my STI and I have never had an issue with inspections. It's all about finding the right person to do it.

Like I said earlier. The OP is better off switching to his stock wheels, get the inspection then switch them back. It's a much better option then driving around and wasting time getting different shops to inspecting it.
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Old 01-23-2015, 09:13 AM   #2406
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Thanks for the info. The mechanic told me the same thing about the stretched tires. Mine are by no means stretched and are the recommended size for the wheels i have. They just dont match my door sticker. They are snow tires. Theyre supposed to be smaller... Oh well. Now i know for next year!


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My advice….. find a new mechanic. They are the recommended size for the wheels per say, but not for the car. They are not a safety issue and the mechanic should have known that. He should have made you aware of the issue and then passed your car. For lack of a better way to put it, he was being kind of a "dick" about it.
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Old 01-23-2015, 09:25 AM   #2407
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My advice….. find a new mechanic. They are the recommended size for the wheels per say, but not for the car. They are not a safety issue and the mechanic should have known that. He should have made you aware of the issue and then passed your car. For lack of a better way to put it, he was being kind of a "dick" about it.

They were as nice as they could be about it. They even called their inspector rep or whoever they deal with for inspection questions for clarification to try and get the ok. But its whatever. Ill just get it inspected in November next year before i put my winter set on.


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Old 01-23-2015, 09:38 AM   #2408
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They were as nice as they could be about it. They even called their inspector rep or whoever they deal with for inspection questions for clarification to try and get the ok. But its whatever. Ill just get it inspected in November next year before i put my winter set on.


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They probably called a quality assurance officer, which basically just regurgitates Pub 45, the inspection manual. They really cannot give an "ok" on something. It's all up to the inspectors discretion and in your case he was technically following the rules.

I honestly think you may have found two of the most honest inspection shops in the state. Because I can guarantee you that every car in the state has something that could fail it for inspection. The rules really are that asinine about some things.

Funny story regarding one of my inspections…… I dropped my car off to have a yearly inspection done and after an hour and a half with it in the bay I could not understand what was taking so long. I asked the service advisor if there was a problem and they said, nope no problem it should be done soon, we just want to make sure everything is in good working order.

I then realized that I still had my PennDOT ID on from work and they must have assumed I was reviewing them

Need less to say I now know to take off my ID if I go to a shop that I do not know anyone at.
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Old 01-23-2015, 12:01 PM   #2409
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Man you guys are really dragging this out lol. I tried telling you that it ends up down to the effectiveness and or the discretion of the inspection mechanic. I'm an inspection mechanic, and waiver technician for emissions. I have missed, and passed or failed things the next guy wouldnt. We are still human.
With that being said....If you really have an issue with this tire problem, then pm me. I will direct you from there on how to proceed to get your car inspected. Hope this helps.
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Old 01-23-2015, 12:47 PM   #2410
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Ryan, you coming to the Cove on Sunday night?
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Old 01-23-2015, 03:20 PM   #2411
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spent most of the day today working on the signals along route 30 in york. about a dozen or so subies out. anyone see me in my awesome yellow vest and hard hat? i also exchanged a wave with a white sti near mission bbq.
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Old 01-23-2015, 05:44 PM   #2412
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spent most of the day today working on the signals along route 30 in york. about a dozen or so subies out. anyone see me in my awesome yellow vest and hard hat? i also exchanged a wave with a white sti near mission bbq.
Oh but don't wave to the fozzy.... I see how it is I drove past yell about 5 times today on 30.

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Old 01-23-2015, 11:26 PM   #2413
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Get used to it dude. No love for the fozzys.

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Old 01-23-2015, 11:57 PM   #2414
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I'm gonna try and make it. But I had plans set for that evening prior.
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Old 01-24-2015, 11:04 AM   #2415
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Get used to it dude. No love for the fozzys.

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Yeah I'm starting to think so.

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Old 01-24-2015, 11:07 AM   #2416
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I waved to a nice modded fozzy before. Most owners aren't enthusiasts.
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Old 01-24-2015, 11:09 AM   #2417
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Yeah that is true most are old people... but there are only a select few in central pa who are enthusiasts. I never see any xt sports 07 fozzys around. I'm the only one in york I think. I could be wrong.

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Old 01-24-2015, 11:10 AM   #2418
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She doest stand out now. But after the year is over I'll have her stand out from the regular fozzys.

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Old 01-25-2015, 01:49 PM   #2419
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Fozzy by houseman_aaron, on Flickr

She doesn't stand out... yet...
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Old 01-25-2015, 02:48 PM   #2420
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Looks good dude. Maybe us fozzy guys can get all our cars together for a picture.

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Looks good dude. Maybe us fozzy guys can get all our cars together for a picture.
I am up for it, Where you located?
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Manchester. About 30 minutes from lancaster.

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Oh York? I am down here in Stewartstown... are you coming to the Cove meet tonight? starts at 5pm at the cove bar in York.
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Old 01-25-2015, 04:58 PM   #2424
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Manchester. About 30 minutes from lancaster.

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I don't have a forester but I have a legacy I live in mount wolf close to the high school never seen you around I'll have to keep an eye open
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Old 01-25-2015, 09:45 PM   #2425
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I'll keep an eye out too. Nothing really done visually but you can hear my invidia g200. Satin white pearl too.

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