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12-01-2019, 04:20 PM | #1851 | |
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And agree with Pre re: current impracticality of using EVs as long haul towing vehicles. This is a problem amenable to technological improvement, of course.
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12-01-2019, 10:55 PM | #1852 | |
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12-01-2019, 11:09 PM | #1853 | |
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I agree, just place fresh packs somewhere in the bed; as tech improves they will get lighter and more range, plan for those modules now given the claimed longevity of these new vehicles. I’m curious how Superchargers are going to accommodate all these trucks, especially those towing. I think longer stalls while allowing two chargers at the same time could improve the situation. |
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12-02-2019, 12:04 AM | #1854 |
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I've said for a while that Battery swaps can be the easy button, but that would mean battery standardization. No manufacturer is willing to concede to another quite yet.
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12-02-2019, 12:09 AM | #1855 | |
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Also given that packs might be at various states of degradation there’s a whole extra can of worms. |
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12-02-2019, 12:17 AM | #1856 | |
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It's the same issue with anything that is rented/swapped. Even propane tanks get devalued if it's in crap shape when you turn it in. plus, with swapped batteries that can receive optimal charges when in waiting should last quite a bit longer. I had this vision of a station that has an underground conveyor with 200-500 batteries. As soon as the battery is pulled, it starts it journey back around charging. By the time its at the top of the queue its fully charged for the next vehicle. At $20 bucks a swap it would be a lot more profitable than the current gas pumps. |
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12-02-2019, 11:16 AM | #1857 |
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12-02-2019, 11:19 AM | #1858 |
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Litterally nobody cares about Tesla drag racing any more. It was never impressive before, and it still is not impressive. It is a race custom tailored to an Electric Motor.
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12-02-2019, 11:21 AM | #1859 |
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clearly, you haven´t watched the video
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12-02-2019, 11:22 AM | #1860 |
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Acceleration is stupid. Nobody cares.
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12-02-2019, 11:43 AM | #1861 |
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It's not emotional issue with me but a cost and convenience resale issue. If it was ez no wait charging and resale like a Toyota Tacoma I would buy one.
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12-02-2019, 11:55 AM | #1862 |
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..... exactly is just a waste of time with them.
The model 3 runs a faster time than all those cars on the track course and they talk about acceleration . The Model 3 was at 57% charge also |
12-02-2019, 12:07 PM | #1863 |
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Track times are stupid, too. All kinds of races are suspiciously designed for EVs.
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12-02-2019, 12:20 PM | #1864 | |
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*Checks garage.* Damn, guess that actually didn’t happen. I agree though. I couldn’t give 0 ****s about lap times (clearly as I could have bought a faster car for same cost of my M2). I mean, it’s interesting and it’s fun to see vehicles compete for lap times for pure performance and competition reasons. But for 99.9999% of people it’s a meaningless metric for car purchasing. |
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12-02-2019, 12:33 PM | #1865 |
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Those meaningless metrics pushed Mercedes to make a CAMG that can run down that Model 3 like a hound on a wounded bunny.
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12-02-2019, 01:31 PM | #1866 | |
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I think lap times matter some but I think the idiots on the internet place way too much importance on them, given that 97% or something will never, ever, even put it on a road course. Acceleration numbers matter, handling matters, braking, etc, but you have to drive something to form an opinion about it if you are gonna run your mouth about how it performs. Some cars have great feel, via chassis, steering, etc, and that cannot be quantified by some lap. Was the lap done effortlessly, smoothly, or did the driver have to white knuckle the F out of it? Did the driver have some natural or inherent rotation around the corners, or was the driver fighting understeer or too much oversteer? This is the problem with enthusiast model car designs these days. What sells is the lap time compared to X, in the dry, in warm conditions. People don't demand all weather lap times, or all weather on road tests, so they don't do it. Some track, and that's it. Then the internet finger points back and forth having never driven all the cars in question. Then someone throws in the red herring, the f'in Ring time. |
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12-02-2019, 01:50 PM | #1867 |
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I was being sarcastic. I'm just perpetually amused at the anti-EV sentiments.
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12-02-2019, 02:16 PM | #1868 | |
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I just hope companies are able to scale significantly and drive down the cost of cars. If we’re stuck with a base crapper model costing $35k and a very mildly optioned one for $45k - $50k, I’m going to keep buying Dino fuel cars. |
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12-02-2019, 02:48 PM | #1869 | |
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12-02-2019, 02:48 PM | #1870 | |
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12-02-2019, 03:00 PM | #1871 | |
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12-02-2019, 03:25 PM | #1872 | |
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https://www.fastcompany.com/1281274/...-station-japan Standardizing batteries is part of the problem, especially with rapidly changing technology, but the theories are all sound... |
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12-02-2019, 04:01 PM | #1873 |
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That system TSLA made was crazy since it automated a process that was never meant to be automated. It removed a bunch of threaded fasteners, etc. The vid I saw hid a lot of the magic, so I assume a lot of it was smoke and mirrors in order to make the concept demo work only.
Having a fully integrated battery makes the car design a lot easier and more reliable like any other device. Designing it to quickly remove adds all kids of issues which would be passed to the consumer as increased cost, and maybe even decreased performance (more weight and less packaging density). Are people still not buying electric cars because of range anxiety? My opinion is the majority of people are just too unwilling to absorb the depreciation and unknown longevity expense of owning one. Most people around me have at least 1 or 2 cars that are almost drinking age they still drive. |
12-03-2019, 09:34 AM | #1874 | |
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Edit: Here's an article on it: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-shut...superchargers/ |
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12-03-2019, 12:26 PM | #1875 | ||
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There is a difference in how EV's are price structured. The lower prices models/trims yield lower range. There's a premium for longer range. This is different from ICE (non hybrid) cars as lower prices models usually yields higher mpg. Then you pay the premium for more power ( and lower mpg). So while EV's are gaining range over time. Price is not getting cheaper or you pay that premium for that range. |
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