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Old 11-16-2017, 02:21 PM   #26
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Default 2018 Mazda6 gets more power, efficiency to go with updated looks

We have a 6 speed manual 2016 Mazda 6 and it is a great car, albeit underpowered. Hopefully the extra available power will be mated to a manual transmission as well. It’s tough to find a cheaper, nice, good looking, gas sipping sedan that is still available with a 6 speed manual transmission. Mazda gets driving. We were interested in an Accord, but wifey said no manual, NO Honda.
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Old 11-16-2017, 02:25 PM   #27
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Miata/86 aside, affordable RWD tends to be put in a heavier platform anyways. How much fun is there to be had in a 250 hp 4k lb car? Is a V6 Charger considerably more fun to drive than a GTI?
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Old 11-16-2017, 02:47 PM   #28
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I can tell you without a doubt... NO.
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Old 11-16-2017, 02:58 PM   #29
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You're trolling, right? Unclescotty, is that you? Of all the fwds out there that are generally accepted as fun by the vast majority of the enthusiast word, which ones have you driven and been utterly disappointed in? FWDs have changed a lot in the last few years, and aside from being able to drift with the rear wheels spinning, and being able to keep front traction above 300~ hp, the line between what a rwd and fwd can do is getting pretty narrow. I just think you're being a bit irrational.
Name a performance orient FWD car that has made it to the states in the past 20 years (save the CTR) & I've given it a shot, and they all have been disappointing; as I've stated before, Honda has figured out how to shuffle one around a track with much quickness, bravo, but lap times on the hamburgering mean absolutely nothing to me without cheese and bacon; there are issues inherent to the layout - mainly poor weight distribution leading to a tendency to understeer (and/or lift off oversteer) coupled with no power being sent to the rear wheels, traction issues under acceleration from a dig, and into 2nd/3rd at 200hp and up, traction issues when it's mildly moist, and/or cold out, and heaven help you if it snows (which it does where I live), and (save the CTR) torque steer.

I am apparently not the "vast majority" of the enthusiast world, I grew up on FR with no nannies, So that is my preference, full time "50:50" AWD with a big rear bar and no nannies is a compromise, driver controlled AWD with a driver controlled rear bias would be the optimal compromise if I can't have RWD (and would perform better than RWD in all conceivable situations, but that's doesn't mean it's more fun).

We are talking about a subjective item "fun" I can accept that other people enjoy FWD, clearly, they don't have to accept that I don't, but I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about it, and I'm certainly not going to agree that FWD can be fun for me, or for all. I like to shift my own gears and steer with the pedal, I don't see that changing any time soon.

I also prefer physical controls to a touch screen, mechanical diffs to ABS derived systems, pedal control to traction control, and lighter cars with less power to fatty's with more power, you know, just in case you need some more fuel.
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:11 PM   #30
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Man I will throw out the GTI and mazdaspeed3 as incredibly awesome examples as fun to drive daily vehicles. Now you are allowed your biases and I am not trying to talk you into anything bud. You are free to like what you are accustomed to. But when I drive a GTI I cant stop smiling.
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:56 PM   #31
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Craziness. Mini Cooper S and GTI were super fun drives for me, and I'm a Subaru fan boi.
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Man I will throw out the GTI and mazdaspeed3 as incredibly awesome examples as fun to drive daily vehicles. Now you are allowed your biases and I am not trying to talk you into anything bud. You are free to like what you are accustomed to. But when I drive a GTI I cant stop smiling.
Test drove both, extended weekend test drive in the MS3; didn't do it for me; with the MS3 263/280 through the front wheels was basically non-stop traction issues, it rained that weekend to boot; maybe if I lived in a predominantly sunny flat place with straight roads like Arizona it would have been better, but 3rd gear highway pulls don't do not make a car for me; my rain experience turned me off to the prospect of dealing with it as a daily, especially in the winter around here, not to mention the way it had to be driven during spirited back road sessions on All seasons. The GTi was a better place to be, but was (obviously) slower than the MS3, and felt wallowy in comparison as well, but that was to be expected when compared to the MS3; both cars had the above mentioned FWD issues though. They weren't fun for me, and didn't mesh with my driving style - I knew the issues would make me eventually hate the cars. Two of the better FWD cars I've driven, and I wouldn't have been upset if my wife wanted one instead of the Yaris she had at the time.
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Old 11-16-2017, 04:13 PM   #33
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peace bro... You know yourself better than we all do. I wish you all the best... Will enjoy whatever you pick I am sure.
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Old 11-16-2017, 07:20 PM   #34
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Maybe theyll introduce some type of rear wheel steering
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I was speaking with the head Mazda rep, at the Seattle auto show press day. He sorta hesitated a second when I mentioned I would love a Mazda 3 hatch with RWD and a 2.5 liter as a Mazda speed option. I'm betting the 2.5 Mazdaspeed comment hit close to home on this reveal.

He also did it again when I said I wanted an RX-5 rotary Miata. Fingers crossed..
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:11 AM   #36
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When the CX-9 launched they noted the engine was designed so it would fit in their entire lineup (sans Miata). Glad to see they're following through on that!
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I was speaking with the head Mazda rep, at the Seattle auto show press day. He sorta hesitated a second when I mentioned I would love a Mazda 3 hatch with RWD and a 2.5 liter as a Mazda speed option. I'm betting the 2.5 Mazdaspeed comment hit close to home on this reveal.

He also did it again when I said I wanted an RX-5 rotary Miata. Fingers crossed..


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Old 11-17-2017, 11:43 AM   #38
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Exactly.

I do frequently hear about this kind of stuff ahead of embargo lifting, as I'm sexing up an auto journalist. Found out about Tesla's announcement a week ago.
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Old 11-17-2017, 04:04 PM   #39
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Sincerely hope they bring over the AWD drivetrain to the Mazda 6 as well. It's already offered as AWD in Japan (and perhaps other markets).

They also get a wagon variant as well, which I know we'll never get...
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Old 11-17-2017, 08:57 PM   #40
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It's a 4 cylinder engine that fits in all their cars that already have 4 cylinder engines? Those Mazda engineers are geniuses!

Seriously, I hope it sells well. The other Skyactiv engines turned out to be a bit underwhelming. It would be really cool if they brought over a wagon with AWD and this engine, but that's just crazy talk...
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It's a 4 cylinder engine that fits in all their cars that already have 4 cylinder engines? Those Mazda engineers are geniuses!
Most people don't know this, but Mazda doesn't make modular engines anymore. The whole engine is scaled to the size of the combustion chamber. The combustion chamber is the same shape on every engine because they spend a lot of time optimizing it and that makes tuning consistent across the line.

They have special manufacturing lines that handle all the different-sized engines. The tool that tightens all the spark plugs at the same time expands and contracts to fit any one of their engines.

Because Mazda.
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Test drove both, extended weekend test drive in the MS3; didn't do it for me; with the MS3 263/280 through the front wheels was basically non-stop traction issues, it rained that weekend to boot; maybe if I lived in a predominantly sunny flat place with straight roads like Arizona it would have been better, but 3rd gear highway pulls don't do not make a car for me; my rain experience turned me off to the prospect of dealing with it as a daily, especially in the winter around here, not to mention the way it had to be driven during spirited back road sessions on All seasons. The GTi was a better place to be, but was (obviously) slower than the MS3, and felt wallowy in comparison as well, but that was to be expected when compared to the MS3; both cars had the above mentioned FWD issues though. They weren't fun for me, and didn't mesh with my driving style - I knew the issues would make me eventually hate the cars. Two of the better FWD cars I've driven, and I wouldn't have been upset if my wife wanted one instead of the Yaris she had at the time.
What spec GTI did you drive?
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It's a 4 cylinder engine that fits in all their cars that already have 4 cylinder engines? Those Mazda engineers are geniuses!

Seriously, I hope it sells well. The other Skyactiv engines turned out to be a bit underwhelming. It would be really cool if they brought over a wagon with AWD and this engine, but that's just crazy talk...
Mazda's AWD de-couples on the turns. Basically you get AWD in the straight, and FWD in the turn. That's about as unsporty as you can engineer an AWD system.
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Old 11-18-2017, 03:46 PM   #45
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The Mazda 6 wagon looks awesome, I knew they made them, but of course not for us!
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Mazda gets it. That's why we're fans of the car. They're killing it these days.
Yeah. Killin it. Less than half Subaru's sales and 2.4% down on the year. This won't change a thing and they'll kill it after 2 model years; so, hurry and grab one.
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Old 11-18-2017, 11:55 PM   #47
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Yeah. Killin it. Less than half Subaru's sales and 2.4% down on the year. This won't change a thing and they'll kill it after 2 model years; so, hurry and grab one.
Aww TomJustyDoll chimed in. Well, if your precious Subaru would offer a damned hatch that was worth a damn, i.e a turbo Crosstrek or a WRX hatch/wagon I'd be tickled pink and would have purchased one. I would have also talked my fiance into buying a Subaru instead of letting her get a Mazda (which has been an absolute peach) . Unfortunately your boy Tom decided we didn't need any sporty 5 doors. Keep chasing those
Camry and Civic LX customers Subaru, and I'll keep spending my money elsewhere and convincing those around me to do the same.
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Not really sure what "killing it" really means then if Mazda also doesn't offer a sport hatch with a turbo and manual? Does it mean that Mazda has potential to do even greater things than what they currently offer?
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Yeah. Killin it. Less than half Subaru's sales and 2.4% down on the year. This won't change a thing and they'll kill it after 2 model years; so, hurry and grab one.
That's true. But, it's not like people are running out to buy Legacy at the moment.
Even if Legacy gets the job done overall, Mazda6 is, a sportier, more entertaining/satisfying car to drive.
It's something Subaru has almost completely lost track of with Legacy.
IMO, Mazda6 only has 3 issues compared to Legacy: rear legroom, rear headroom and overall cabin noise.
Other than the above, IMO, Mazda6 is a better car overall.
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Not really sure what "killing it" really means then if Mazda also doesn't offer a sport hatch with a turbo and manual? Does it mean that Mazda has potential to do even greater things than what they currently offer?
Maybe "killing it" was a bit vague. The only advantage, and its really not much of one for the region I live in, that the Impreza hatch has over the 3, is the AWD. Looks department and interior feel the Mazda won in my fiance's eye. If I were in the market, I'd take the 6 over any of the competitors. I was more complaining to Justy about my disdain for Subaru's alienation of it's turbo hatch customers. But to sum it up: for non turbo cars, in my non snowy region, they've got nothing favorable over Mazda.

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