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Old 05-30-2018, 10:53 AM   #26
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Same. It is amazing how much grip you have if you can stay seated the whole time. I was ripping around in 4 inches of snow on mine with fast rolling narrow XC tires and I could go everywhere.
My normal MTB has some gnar tires. Maxxis Minion https://www.maxxis.com/catalog/tire-...-minion-dhr-ii




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Old 05-30-2018, 12:30 PM   #27
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I share the same optimistic view but I know that more likely riders that have little or no experience will suddenly have the capability to do a 25 mile 3000ft trail and slowly destroy the climbs with wheelspin and quickly destroy the downhills with skidding or non riders with no fitness will go out to shred the local trails with little or no trail etiquitte.

I hope I am wrong
You say that like people who are out there all the time don't have ****ty etiquitte.
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:45 PM   #28
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my first


Is this 2 wheel drive?

I'm interested in a e mountain bike. With all the texting 16 year old girls in lifted JL Wrangler unlimiteds around swerving all over, I sold my road bike that I've had since 1974. I'm not as fit as I used to be.....and not getting any younger.....so would like the help from the e to hit trails again.

I'd actually like something like your second bike as I'm a Cannondale (when made in CT) fan with 2 of them....one with headshock and shock post. Would like something like that in a hard tail with e.
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:58 PM   #29
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You say that like people who are out there all the time don't have ****ty etiquitte.
This is a valid point.
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Old 05-30-2018, 02:22 PM   #30
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Is this 2 wheel drive?

I'm interested in a e mountain bike. With all the texting 16 year old girls in lifted JL Wrangler unlimiteds around swerving all over, I sold my road bike that I've had since 1974. I'm not as fit as I used to be.....and not getting any younger.....so would like the help from the e to hit trails again.

I'd actually like something like your second bike as I'm a Cannondale (when made in CT) fan with 2 of them....one with headshock and shock post. Would like something like that in a hard tail with e.
some kind of, electric front, me back

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Old 05-30-2018, 02:49 PM   #31
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This is a valid point.
I'm not going to disagree with you though.
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Old 05-30-2018, 03:05 PM   #32
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You say that like people who are out there all the time don't have ****ty etiquitte.
I think his point is that instead of the relatively few people that can access trails 20+ miles from a trailhead, that number will go up dramatically.
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Old 05-30-2018, 03:53 PM   #33
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Old 05-30-2018, 04:17 PM   #34
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I think his point is that instead of the relatively few people that can access trails 20+ miles from a trailhead, that number will go up dramatically.
I don't wanna ride where you ride. I feel.....like I'm not good enough.

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Old 05-30-2018, 04:33 PM   #35
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I think his point is that instead of the relatively few people that can access trails 20+ miles from a trailhead, that number will go up dramatically.
I feel like your lack of reading comprehension is disturbing...

Look at the post one above yours
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I think his point is that instead of the relatively few people that can access trails 20+ miles from a trailhead, that number will go up dramatically.
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I feel like your lack of reading comprehension is disturbing...

Look at the post one above yours
IMO you both make good points. To clarify further my stance on cycling, the more people on a bike the better. The more people outdoors the better, especially kids. But if the cost of that increase in the sport is trail destruction and irresponsible trail etiquette and a general disrespect for nature and public land then I don't want any of the e-bike off road.

Time will tell which way that goes and probably it will be somewhere in the middle. The further toward to good side the better and now is the best time to set rules and regulations for how we want this to unfold.

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As far as urban traffic goes, this will definitely have a small impact. A 5% decrease will have a huge domino affect as far as parking and traffic congestion is concerned.
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Old 05-31-2018, 03:13 PM   #38
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IMO you both make good points. To clarify further my stance on cycling, the more people on a bike the better. The more people outdoors the better, especially kids. But if the cost of that increase in the sport is trail destruction and irresponsible trail etiquette and a general disrespect for nature and public land then I don't want any of the e-bike off road.

Time will tell which way that goes and probably it will be somewhere in the middle. The further toward to good side the better and now is the best time to set rules and regulations for how we want this to unfold.

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Old 05-31-2018, 03:35 PM   #39
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Good article with thought on both sides. Hopefully e-bike riders fit right in without any unnecessary turmoil
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Old 05-31-2018, 04:06 PM   #40
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I don't think they are going to go away. I liken it to the snowboard VS skiers back in the 80's

Cant we all just getalong?
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As of very recently e-bikes are actually legal on all (nearly all? Canít think of one thatís illegal, actually) of the trails I ride around Denver. Iím curious. I am fat and slow uphill and if I could do two loops for the price of one during my allotted ride time... hmm.
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Old 06-01-2018, 01:11 AM   #42
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Yeah, you should give up the part of the sport that might make you live longer. **** it!
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Yeah, you should give up the part of the sport that might make you live longer. **** it!

You still work. It multiplies oneís input by 0, 120%, 200%, 300% depending on setting and capped by the 250W motor max.

The draw for me would be to do two loops or longer routes in the same time. More of the fun bits.

Thereís a June 30 Cannondale demo tour event up in Granby. I was planning on being in Winter Park for the day anyway...
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I agree with this all the way, but with players like Yamaha entering the market I see these as nothing but lightweight electric dirtbikes.
Yamaha makes pianos too, what does the brand have to do with it? They still operate under the same rules.

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I get zero wheel spin out of mine. in fact i get more on my normal MTB. Probably since i can stay seated on climbs with the extra little boost it gives.
Yup, less effort equals more control.
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I am certainly not completely against e-bikes! I think they are a viable option in congested, parking-limited urban areas. And I DO think they should be allowed on some singletrack trails. Just not all. I would be happy to see some of the loops open to e-bikes, while others are closed. And I would not be against a licensing of e-bikes (since they ARE motorized vehicles) with the proceeds going towards trail maintenance and building. Snow machine licensing is a good analogy.

I think that allowing some loops open, while restricting access to others will allow the people who are physically limited (and by that I mean besides just being out of shape) to enjoy the sport, and it would allow those out of shape to HTFU and give them incentive to do so to open up access on a pure pedal bike to a wider range of trails.

I have helped fellow cyclists who were broken down on remote trails. Not all were able to ride out in the end, and it has happened to me as well. So what is going to happen when an e-bike is 10 miles from a trailhead and breaks down so it is not ridable? Can you push it out? Call in Search and Rescue? I just think everybody needs to think of all of the implications before open access is granted. Just because most people want it does NOT mean it is a good idea.....
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I have helped fellow cyclists who were broken down on remote trails. Not all were able to ride out in the end, and it has happened to me as well. So what is going to happen when an e-bike is 10 miles from a trailhead and breaks down so it is not ridable? Can you push it out? Call in Search and Rescue?
Pedal? It still works as a normal bicycle when you turn it off.
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These commercial e-bikes are in the range of 45 lbs. If you can push out a 30 lb bike you can push out a 45 lb bike. These aren't 225 lb motocross-lite things we're talking about.
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Yeah, even my e-bike, which was really a gravel grinder fitted with the Yamaha, I used the motor only about 5% of my ride time. I can still go up hill with the 40 lb bike.
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These commercial e-bikes are in the range of 45 lbs. If you can push out a 30 lb bike you can push out a 45 lb bike. These aren't 225 lb motocross-lite things we're talking about.
my haro is 42 wet. "eco mode" range says about 55 miles. full tilt boost mode says about 35.


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Tom, any input on this article?

https://ebike-mtb.com/en/the-best-emtb-motor/

What I got out of it:

- Shimano and Specialized (Brose) have the best modulation
- Bosch and Shimano have across the range power, while Specialized runs out of gas
- Specialized is the quietest, while Bosch and Shimano are louder
- Specialized freewheels without resistance above the speed limit or when ridden in "off" mode, whereas the others have cogging drag

I'm going to test ride a Cannondale Moterra on June 30 as per an above post at a demo day. They use Bosch with the latest eMTB mode (which switches between 120-300% assist dynamically through some magic algorithm). I'll pay special attention to noise and "headwind"/cogging drag.
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