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Old 10-18-2017, 06:53 AM   #1
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easily one of the most popular luxury sedans, the BMW 3-Series is a volume product that yields an impact on the greater space.

That's because it's become the benchmark product across the industry.

After all these years, this is the entry-level luxury vehicle that everyone watches and tries to emulate. It always has the right mix of sporting ability and luxury features that draws customers in.

So, now that the current-gen 3-Series is dated, now what?

Seen in the best spy shots yet, the next-gen BMW 3-Series has been exposed in a big way. This has us excited! In the latest collection, the production front grilles, headlights and taillights are seen for the first time. But, of greater importance, are the interior snaps. With the lid being lifted off for the first time, we can tell that there's a lot of all-new touches here.

Take note of the all-new instrument panel, gearshift, iDrive controller, center stack with all-new HVAC vents design and location and more.

While there's still plenty that's hidden, we're curious if YOU like what you see, so far. What say you, Spies? Is BMW lining up its BEST 3-Series yet?


...According to our future models crystal ball, the 2019 3 Series (G20) will come to US as 330i, 330e and M340i (in choice of sDrive or xDrive for all models). The B48TU engine that will power the 330i will receive a small power increase to 255hp.

The G20 will come with a host of cool toys. The instrument panel seen in these photos is the same one from the upcoming 8 Series, a special differential will be included with the M Sport Package, ambient light, laser lights (even for US cars), significantly improved autonomous driving capabilities, remote engine start, and much more...
This G20 3 Series prototype has been spied wearing the same production LED headlights, tail lights and camouflage as the last sighting, but it provides us the most revealing look at the interior yet. Seen for the first time is the full digital instrument panel and the new style shifter fashioned after the new F90 M5 shifter. The center air vents have been lowered, new air vents sit atop the dash, iDrive control knob moved forward, and new angular door handle pulls.

The lowering of the center air vents also lowers the position of the iDrive screen (perhaps for a more integrated look) as well as allowing for air vents to be added to the top of the dashboard. And if that's the edge of the iDrive screen we see extending all the way to the gauge display hood, then expect a much larger screen than the current version.

According to our future models crystal ball, the 2019 3 Series (G20) will come to US as 330i, 330e and M340i (in choice of sDrive or xDrive for all models). The B48TU engine that will power the 330i will receive a small power increase to 255hp.

The G20 will come with a host of cool toys. The instrument panel seen in these photos is the same one from the upcoming 8 Series, a special differential will be included with the M Sport Package, ambient light, laser lights (even for US cars), significantly improved autonomous driving capabilities, remote engine start, and much more.

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Old 10-18-2017, 07:53 AM   #2
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Sounds like a whole lot of more electronic gadgetry, which more than likely means yet another increase in price. Just give me a radio and built in Bluetooth for phone and audio streaming. They can keep the rest.

Too bad the new 2er is a FWD platform.
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so SSDD (same ****e different dash) got it.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:28 AM   #4
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Default 2019 BMW 3 Series: What to Expect From the Next Sport Luxury Sedan

2019 BMW 3 Series: What to Expect From the Next Sport Luxury Sedan
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Although the BMW 3 Series is still a top-seller in its segment, a disappointing seventh-place finish in a recent eight-car comparison reveals how much ground the former segment leader must make up to better compete with well-rounded cars such as the Alfa Romeo Giulia and Audi A4. The 3 Series has often been a Motor Trend favorite, but considering how much more emphasis BMW has placed on luxury over sport for the midsize 5 Series, were cautiously optimistic. Likely debuting as a 2019 model in sedan form with 4 Series variants to follow, keep reading for our best guesses on what to expect for the 2019 BMW 3 Series.

Photos of the outgoing 3 Series and camouflaged next-gen 3 Series are pictured below

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The German firm's seventh-generation model will meld its trademark dynamic ability with improved comfort; warm model will sit below the full-fat M3

MW will ramp up the inherently sporting qualities of the next 3 Series in a bid to extend the depth and overall reach of its best-selling range of cars.

The first variant will be the rear-wheel-drive M340i M Performance which will feature a 360bhp version of BMWs twin-scroll turbocharged 3.0-litre inline six-cylinder petrol engine. It will be followed by a four-wheel-drive M340d xDrive M Performance, which is set to receive a 320bhp version of the companys twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre inline six-cylinder diesel engine.

Key to the expansion plan for the seventh-generation 3 Series set to arrive next year is the addition of two new M Performance models powered by six-cylinder engines. In a strategy mirroring that undertaken with the latest 5 Series, the new M Performance variants will go on sale shortly after more mainstream versions of the new 3 Series are launched in both saloon and estate body styles. The new derivatives will be offered as either a petrol or a diesel and will bridge the gap in the line-up that presently exists between standard six-cylinder models and BMW Ms range-topping M3 saloon.

The new performance orientated 3 Series models will be targeted at the likes of the Audi S4 quattro and Mercedes-AMG C43 4Matic. They will have individual styling touches, their own unique chassis tuning and relatively high equipment levels. Autocar can reveal they will also form the basis for the two-door M440i M Performance Coup and M440d M Performance Coup models, which will arrive in showrooms in 2020.

Significantly, the decision to launch the M340d xDrive M Performance model underpins plans by BMW to continue to equip the 3 Series with a full range of three-, four- and six-cylinder diesel engines, despite increasingly tight emissions legislation across Europe, including the spectre of regional bans on diesel cars from entering city centres.

The diesel is a critical component in our efforts to reach the 2020 climate targets, said BMW chairman Harald Krger. It is very important in improving the overall efficiency of our future models.

BMW is pulling out all the stops to ensure the new 3 Series, which goes under the internal codename G20, possesses the stylistic appeal, performance credentials, dynamic ability and overall technical prowess it needs to claw back the gains made by its keenest executive class rivals, most notably the Mercedes-Benz C-Class, which officials have described to Autocar as the clear benchmark.

Prototype saloon versions of the new 3 Series spied testing on the roads around BMWs engineering headquarters in Munich recently indicate it will continue the companys tradition of evolutionary design change, with an appearance that leans heavily on that of the larger 5 Series, as well as influence from the X2 SUV.

Credit for the design of the new model rests with former BMW brand design boss, Karim Habib, who moved to Infiniti last year.

As the first 3 Series model to be fully honed in BMWs Munich-based wind tunnel, the G20 is also claimed to match the aerodynamic efficiency of the 5 Series. The most slippery body style is said to have a drag co-efficient of 0.22.


The new 3 Series has grown in most key dimensions. Nothing is official, but Munich insiders suggest overall length is up by 60mm to around 4703mm. Some 20mm of this is said to be concentrated within a lengthened wheelbase, which has increased to almost 2830mm, up from 2810mm. By comparison, the current C-Class is 4696mm in length and has a 2840mm wheelbase.

The new 3 Series is based on BMWs latest CLAR (cluster architecture) platform as used by all recent BMW models and features a longitudinally mounted engine. In keeping with developments already seen on the larger 5 Series, it benefits from a range of weight-saving initiatives, including the greater use of hot-formed high-strength steel within the main body structure, to cut the already highly competitive kerbweight of todays sixth-generation model by up to 50kg, despite the larger dimensions.

The volume of 3 Series sales rules out the use of carbonfibre, so therell be no Carbon Core structural developments like those seen on the headlining 7 Series.

However, BMWs body construction specialists suggest the G20 will feature a much larger number of cast aluminium components and a greater percentage of magnesium in load-bearing areas. All told, the weightsaving developments are expected to give the lightest variant in the range, the three-cylinder 318i, a kerb weight of about 1425kg.

Together with the reduction in weight, the CLAR platform is also claimed to bring an improvement in structural rigidity that, in a move similar to that undertaken with the 5 Series, forms the basis for a change in philosophy for the chassis tuning. Recognising a growing customer desire for additional ride comfort, BMW is looking to provide standard versions of the new 3 Series with more compliant properties, in a move aimed at matching the smoothness of its key rival, the Mercedes-Benz C Class.

Expected developments include the adoption of rear air springs on more upmarket models. However, BMW is thought to have ruled out the active four-wheel steering system (that countersteers the rear wheels at lower speeds and parallel steers them at higher speeds in the name of agility), even though the 5 Series is equipped with it.

In a continuation of the Efficient Dynamics program that has seen successive reductions in consumption and emissions across the 3 Series line-up over recent years, BMW plans to bring a series of upgrades to the petrol engine line-up of the new model.

BMW officials confirm an extension of the strategy in use today, with both threeand four-cylinder units serving volume-selling 316i, 318i, 320i and 330i models in combination with either standard rear-wheel drive and optional xDrive four-wheel drive on selected variants.

Positioned above them will be a six-cylinder engine offered in both a standard, rear-wheel drive 340i and the aforementioned M340i M Performance guises.

BMW has begun to successively upgrade the petrol engines in each of its various model lines, with the recently revealed 2 Series Active Tourer facelift being the most recent model to bear the tweaks. Measures such as a new injection system, a particulate filter to lower NOx levels, a revised belt drive system and more efficient cooling measures are claimed to bring moderate increases in power and torque.

Together with the reduction in kerbweight promised by the new CLAR underpinnings, the reworked petrol units are also said to offer consumption and emission savings of up to 5% across the model line-up.

Unclear at this stage are BMWs plans to introduce water injection as part of the raft of revisions. First introduced on the six-cylinder unit used by the M4 GTS, and also tested by Autocar on a prototype version of the smaller threepot unit fitted to the 118i, the water injection system brings proven performance and efficiency gains. However, it also requires the addition of a water tank close to the engine, which in turn complicates packaging.

Accompanying the petrol units will be range of diesels. Adopting developments first seen on the 2.0-litre unit used by todays 325d, each new oilburner will receive two-stage turbocharging and a selective catalytic reduction (SCR) filter as part of BMWs efforts to reduce emissions.

At the same time, BMW plans to increase the pressure of the common-rail injection system used by each of its diesel engines from 2000 to 2200 bar in the smaller threecylinder units and from 2000 to 2500 bar in the four-cylinder engines, with the exception of the unit to be used by the new 325d, which will run pressures of up to 2700 bar.

Autocars sources suggest the 1.5-litre three-cylinder powered 316d will gain 21bhp at 136bhp, instead of the 115bhp of todays model. Above it, the 2.0-litre four-cylinder will continue to be offered in three distinct states of tune, developing an added 13bhp in the 318d at 163bhp, some 14bhp more in the 320d at 204bhp and a claimed 14bhp extra in the 325d at 238bhp.

The Bavarian manufacturer is also planning to equip up to three new 3 Series variants with an upgraded version of todays 3.0-litre inline sixcylinder diesel. They include the standard 330d and 340d, as well as the aforementioned M340d xDrive M Performance diesel flagship.

The current 3 Series saloon, designated F30, has been on sale since 2012, and the 4 Series (F32) coup since 2013.


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When a base 3 series costs 40k, you can keep the whole damn lot.
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When a base 3 series costs 40k, you can keep the whole damn lot.
But you can lease that bitch for $400 and pretend tone ballin!
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But you can lease that bitch for $400 and pretend tone ballin!
lOLOLOL... sure you can lease it for 400 bucks, after you put 9000 down!! LOL
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When a base 3 series costs 40k, you can keep the whole damn lot.
But it's really a base 5 series!
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they needed to make a radical design departure like Mercedes did, instead they played it safe and kept the profile just as boxy as before. This thing will look dated before it hits showroom floors.
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long cat is loooonnng

3 series is the old 5 series?
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Yes; this has been happening steadily, across all manufacturers, and is common. (existing model gets bigger, new model slots into it's place, etc.) much easier to track with older manufacturers, mainly because I paid more attention to American cars in the 60s through now than Japanese cars.

5 series = 7 series from 10 years ago +/-
3 series = 5 series from 10 years ago +/-
2 series = 3 series from 10 years ago +/-

on the Subaru front -
Impreza = legacy from 10 years ago+/-
Legacy & Forester have grown since then as well, Subaru just doesn't have a massive lineup for them to "step into" nor have then slotted in a new entry level eg. sub-compact.

I'm talking vehicle size not target demographic or layout BTW; that's a whole other ball of wax.
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Yes; this has been happening steadily, across all manufacturers, and is common. (existing model gets bigger, new model slots into it's place, etc.) much easier to track with older manufacturers, mainly because I paid more attention to American cars in the 60s through now than Japanese cars.

5 series = 7 series from 10 years ago +/-
3 series = 5 series from 10 years ago +/-
2 series = 3 series from 10 years ago +/-

on the Subaru front -
Impreza = legacy from 10 years ago+/-
Legacy & Forester have grown since then as well, Subaru just doesn't have a massive lineup for them to "step into" nor have then slotted in a new entry level eg. sub-compact.

I'm talking vehicle size not target demographic or layout BTW; that's a whole other ball of wax.
Which is fine, so long as you give us our 4-door 2 series of all variants.
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You want power windows-$80/year subscription
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Some of the auto manufacturers have moved the remote start from the key fob to the phone app that is complimentary for the first year and like 30$ a month after that.

I can honestly say there isn't a single damn new car I'm interested in because of the automated bull****, throttle by wire, federally mandated infotainment screens, that burn my retinas at night.
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Some of the auto manufacturers have moved the remote start from the key fob to the phone app that is complimentary for the first year and like 30$ a month after that.

I can honestly say there isn't a single damn new car I'm interested in because of the automated bull****, throttle by wire, federally mandated infotainment screens, that burn my retinas at night.
I'm coming from 6yrs of being in a 2015 stg2 wrx. The only car i think of with awd and a MT is a 2022 Golf R. Im not interested in another wrx (no particular reason, my car has been great, just want something "better"). If I could convince my gf to trade her kia forte s for an awd k5 I'd probably get a used m2c. Slim pickings rigjt now for sure.
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I'm coming from 6yrs of being in a 2015 stg2 wrx. The only car i think of with awd and a MT is a 2022 Golf R. Im not interested in another wrx (no particular reason, my car has been great, just want something "better"). If I could convince my gf to trade her kia forte s for an awd k5 I'd probably get a used m2c. Slim pickings rigjt now for sure.
if you get a vintage car you get a better driving experience, more fun, and it goes UP in value. Win on all sides.
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Its quickly becoming less about driving dynamics and more about whats on the inside to distract the driver.
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Its quickly becoming less about driving dynamics and more about whats on the inside to distract the driver.
When the car's as long as the Titanic, it's hard to have driving dynamics.
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Precisely.. people are paying more and more, prices have increased. Now they MUST include these electronics or people feel like they are getting ripped off. Hard to buy a stripped BMW for 40 grand when you can buy a Corolla with lane keep assist.
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Is it going to have the same interior that goes back 15 years?
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I'll take a '96 G20 over this monstrosity. That was a sweet car, little four that revved to 7500 rpm.

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