2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[Russ_G93]

Hes not wrong about trucks. My 2017 F250 XLT diesel that I traded in recently, had only 36,000 miles. From 17-23, 6ish years, 30k miles. It sat the majority of the time until I had to tow our toy hauler or I needed something random like bark for the yard, wood for a new fence section, etc. Without the trailer, I could maybe bunk with my mates when we go on our hunting trips, wouldn't need the truck. That and I store my trailer on my buddies property, so im really only using my truck + trailer a couple times a year for camping/hunting. In Comparison to my old 99 f250 from before, these trucks are huge. People throw on Big ass tires (Horrible for snow/mud, but whatever lol), and more often than not, you'll see people fail to park. Why? Its a large vehicle. Parking space measurements (Lines) don't seem to change, but the size of vehicles have.

If anything it just goes to show, that people will buy what they like, even if they can't use the "thing" the way other people want them to use it. Normal everyday shopping, going out to eat -Whatever, yeah you really don't need the truck. Thing is, people don't have a lot of money, they want a truck, so they go all in on a truck, because that is the only vehicle they drive. So of course they fancy it up, and perhaps drive funny sometimes. But you know who else drive funny lol.. random BMW's, Prius's, BRZ's, WRX's, Infiniti's on the freeway. Dipping and diving, going over the speed limit, wish people could drive normally haha.

Same thing with the market though, in 2017 my truck was around 75k after everything was said and done. Nowadays? The price of a downpayment on a house (100k - Ridiculous), but maybe we can focus on getting the right ppl in Govt, so we the people don't have to suffer as bad.

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[YungBoba]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

If anything it just goes to show, that people will buy what they like, even if they can't use the "thing" the way other people want them to use it. Normal everyday shopping, going out to eat -Whatever, yeah you really don't need the truck. Thing is, people don't have a lot of money, they want a truck, so they go all in on a truck, because that is the only vehicle they drive. So of course they fancy it up, and perhaps drive funny sometimes. But you know who else drive funny lol.. random BMW's, Prius's, BRZ's, WRX's, Infiniti's on the freeway. Dipping and diving, going over the speed limit, wish people could drive normally haha.

I agree. Although I do find it funny and stupid when your typical meathead gym bro gets a big ass lifted truck and it never sees anything other than parking lots, at the end of the day, it's their money.

And if you think about it, where do we draw the line? Who is the end-all determiner of if someone is using their car "properly" or not? There are probably a decent amount of people out there in M3s or GT3s or what have you who never take their car to the track. Does that mean that they shouldn't own those cars? If you have the money to afford it responsibly (and this is key; many people do not buy things responsibly) then why not have something like that for a fun daily driver even if you are not using it to its full potential?

At the end of the day, the only "need" that most people have in a vehicle is to get from point A to point B, so by that logic you could argue that anything more than a standard econobox is a "waste". But people also have "wants" and its OK to cater to those wants.

In my made up fantasy land where I have endless money and a gigantic garage to park all my vehicles, sure, I'd have a dozen different vehicles, each one for very specific purposes. Very few people have that kind of wealth. Most regular folks have one, maybe two cars, so compromises need to be made somewhere.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by YungBoba

I agree. Although I do find it funny and stupid when your typical meathead gym bro gets a big ass lifted truck and it never sees anything other than parking lots, at the end of the day, it's their money.

And if you think about it, where do we draw the line? Who is the end-all determiner of if someone is using their car "properly" or not? There are probably a decent amount of people out there in M3s or GT3s or what have you who never take their car to the track. Does that mean that they shouldn't own those cars? If you have the money to afford it responsibly (and this is key; many people do not buy things responsibly) then why not have something like that for a fun daily driver even if you are not using it to its full potential?

At the end of the day, the only "need" that most people have in a vehicle is to get from point A to point B, so by that logic you could argue that anything more than a standard econobox is a "waste". But people also have "wants" and its OK to cater to those wants.

In my made up fantasy land where I have endless money and a gigantic garage to park all my vehicles, sure, I'd have a dozen different vehicles, each one for very specific purposes. Very few people have that kind of wealth. Most regular folks have one, maybe two cars, so compromises need to be made somewhere.

The thing with the brozers, is they are difficult to get around, difficult to see around. And they are heavy and consume a high level of gasoline, making us more dependent on foreign oil. Heavy vehicles cause more road construction to repair roads. I don’t know, charge them more for registration/inspection then? In my state they pay the same that say a Prius does. I agree though, it’s stupid. You put a lift kit and 33’s on your full size truck and it’ll never see off road, never tow anything, and the bed probably won’t even be used. It’s a status symbol for them, image-mobile. It’s a free country and their money, but we can call it completely stupid and call them a poser because most people will call out the Civic with neon lighting underneath with the coffee can exhaust. That’s acceptable to call that out but not these poser truck owners? Well I’m gonna call anyone that does this fake, period, because that’s the truth.

97-99% of M2’s M3’s, GT3’s, etc, will never see a track. They’ll never even see a set of twisties in rural farm country, canyons, mountain roads. They’ll get used for commuting, hard parking, stuff you could get done in a Prius. Again it’s a free country and their money, but it’s big time posing. I don’t have any issue with it because they aren’t 6000 lbs, you can see around them etc. I only have an issue when the owner drives it like a complete a-hat around other motorists pushing it on a highway, city street, and you can easily tell they have no skill. That, and fronting about it, especially on the etherwebz. “I own X” and then go on to front about it. GTFO. Posers.

All my vehicles, today, and always, were bought for specific duty and functionality I’m going to do with it. My truck, is compact, unibody, AWD. I don’t like how BOF handle, at all. They are way too expensive for what they are, and I don’t need that towing capacity as I’ll never tow anything that heavy. I wanted excellent handling, and mine is the best on the market, for pavement handling that is made today. I needed 4000-5000 towing capacity. That covers my bikes when I go to the track in an enclosed trailer. My ski on the trailer, a future boat on a trailer and since it’s 5k rated (5500 actual), I could actually tow my car to the track and still have some overhead. I’m not towing a tractor, heavy farm equipment, or some got d airplane on a commercial as that’s just bs. So I bought the exact tool for the job I needed.

Same goes for the rest of my vehicles. They were bought exactly for what they were going to be used for and image/status/poser bs had nothing to do with it and never has. The majority of the buying public, however, buy vehicles for image/status reasons or for some capability the vehicle has that they will, never, ever, use. So fake, the majority of the automotive market sales here are fake. If people bought for real, there would be ten times more affordable EV’s. Instead of all the fronting high end sports cars, there would be many more affordable versions. Is what it is. America is a lexicon. People watch commercials incessantly, get on social medias, and all of that is fake, so most of their life is just fake period. And our automotive choices in the marketplace reflect that.

[dgoodhue]

Originally Posted by Pre

No. Do you lack critical reasoning skills? If you going to talk chit expect a proper response.

It has nothing to do with what brand of car, or whatever. It's doing highway pulls, GTFO of here with that. It's one thing to do it. It's another thing to come on here and brag about it. Highway pulls and stop light racing, on public streets? I mean your friend, out in the sticks, completely away from traffic, cool. But bragging doing highway pulls with a well modded vs. stock car? What are you, 17 years old? Use some common sense.

From my perspective, I didn't think he was talking crap, but he can answer the question better than me. I have a modified 91 GMC Syclone that over owned almost 25 years. It was quick for day, but there are lot of stock cars that are faster than it now. Every once in a while I may try my old school truck against the new guard. I just want to see how it measures up. It is not about bragging rights, well maybe against my friends

As for Roll racing. I used to street race in my early 20's, we almost always went from a dig, as I got older I usually went to the dragstrip. My truck is an automatic AWD vehicle with the aerodynamics of a brick, its strength is off the line. The opportunity to race is usually on the highway, you pass more cars and often it is the chance you habve to line up against someone. I am not going to roll my window dow, yell at the other driver to stop in the middle of the highway to do a proper race from a dig. Same goes my WRX, I am not carry around cones and ask someone to stop at the next empty parking lot to setup and do an autocross.

As for modified vs stock, run what you brung. Now I do get irritated at the stupid 'Chase is a race' that Street Outlaws has started.....

[uglywrx]

Originally Posted by dgoodhue

From my perspective, I didn't think he was talking crap, but he can answer the question better than me. I have a modified 91 GMC Syclone that over owned almost 25 years. It was quick for day, but there are lot of stock cars that are faster than it now. Every once in a while I may try my old school truck against the new guard. I just want to see how it measures up. It is not about bragging rights, well maybe against my friends

As for Roll racing. I used to street race in my early 20's, we almost always went from a dig, as I got older I usually went to the dragstrip. My truck is an automatic AWD vehicle with the aerodynamics of a brick, its strength is off the line. The opportunity to race is usually on the highway, you pass more cars and often it is the chance you habve to line up against someone. I am not going to roll my window dow, yell at the other driver to stop in the middle of the highway to do a proper race from a dig. Same goes my WRX, I am not carry around cones and ask someone to stop at the next empty parking lot to setup and do an autocross.

As for modified vs stock, run what you brung. Now I do get irritated at the stupid 'Chase is a race' that Street Outlaws has started.....

Wow such skill, having a fat wallet and flooring it.

[dgoodhue]

Originally Posted by uglywrx

Wow such skill, having a fat wallet and flooring it.

No real skill in racing it now from a roll, I can load it with a brake boost.

I did built the motor up from a short block, learned and tuned the engine myself. It has never seen a dyno and I dialed in the under 100mph on the highway and finished the top end tune at the track . I built up and rebuilt the transmission myself. Besides the machine work, I built that truck 100% myself. it wasn't cheap as I am perfectionist, but it was built not bought.

[chanomatik]

Whatcha build up the transmission with?

[dgoodhue]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Whatcha build up the transmission with?

It is a 4L60 (which is the stock transmission) with Cryo hardened hard parts, 4x4 output shaft, a mix of red and blue clutch plates that you can readily buy. It has all the latest updates from that series. At least from what I read what the real key is to set tolerances to all be on the tight side of production clearances which required me to assemble each section, measure it and order the correct one (GM sells them with different width). One them I had to send out to be machined because I couldn't get it with the factory parts.

[uglywrx]

Originally Posted by dgoodhue

No real skill in racing it now from a roll, I can load it with a brake boost.

I did built the motor up from a short block, learned and tuned the engine myself. It has never seen a dyno and I dialed in the under 100mph on the highway and finished the top end tune at the track . I built up and rebuilt the transmission myself. Besides the machine work, I built that truck 100% myself. it wasn't cheap as I am perfectionist, but it was built not bought.

That is super cool and I also built a car, I have a 400whp brz i built, but guess what? I don't pull up next to people and then take off thinking it is a race like an *******. Going fast in a straight line against someone that may or may not know you are trying to race them takes 0 skill. It is just facts and I'm not even trying to act like I drive fast either because I PAX at the top of the bell curve in that car.


Also I don't understand what any of this has to do with VBs

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Ban Trucks!

I support this. So many people here have trucks and they don't work in construction or tow.

[chanomatik]

Huge eye-rolling from me.

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[4merChiWRXowner]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

Elantra Ns winning all the comps is purely because Hyundai is lining MT’s pockets

WRX is a better car than the Elantra. GTI , besides the infotainment issue which the base trim fixes for many , is the winner IMO.

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Any WRX owners move over to the Elantra N? Wondering what people's impressions were if they switched. Considering it for a thrilling car but with a long powertrain warranty

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by 4merChiWRXowner

Any WRX owners move over to the Elantra N? Wondering what people's impressions were if they switched. Considering it for a thrilling car but with a long powertrain warranty

It’s a cool car but I’d never buy one. FWD with LSD is OK but the main reason why I wouldn’t buy one is becwuse it’s a Hyundai. Their 10 year warranty is a joke and there are so many caveats and “gotchas” to the warranty that I would never, ever base my purchase on that. Every single person I know with a Hyundai has been given the run around with that warranty. One of my friends had a blown head gasket on their Elantra and they wouldn’t cover it, even though the car was always serviced at the dealer.

[OldBlu]

The N makes the TR/TS look like a joke in terms of pricing. It definitely seems like the best bang for your buck option. On the used market even more so - there's a pre-refresh certified pre-owned N near me for $32k. If you don't need AWD it would be hard to not at least consider the N. Especially if you're buying an auto. It seems like all the reviewers drool over the dual clutch.

[chanomatik]

You mean to tell me a FWD car costs LESS than an AWD car? Get outta town!

[samagon]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

You mean to tell me a FWD car costs LESS than an AWD car? Get outta town!

the Elantra N is an impressive car at 33k. super stacked with all sorts of things to make it look and feel like it's much more than 33k.

the real problem is when you look at it from a performance perspective.

the Elantra N did the C&D lightning lap 4 seconds quicker than the current body WRX.

cars in the 40-45k range are doing that same lightning lap 4 seconds faster than the Elantra N and 8 seconds faster than the WRX.

is magazine racing stupid, yes, absolutely, but at the end of the day....

is the base, maybe premium WRX a good value? yeah, sure.

is the WRX limited, TR, or any of the versions that take you near or over 40k a good value? nope, not even remotely a good buy if you are willing to look at options that don't have a Subaru badge.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by samagon

the Elantra N is an impressive car at 33k. super stacked with all sorts of things to make it look and feel like it's much more than 33k.

the real problem is when you look at it from a performance perspective.

the Elantra N did the C&D lightning lap 4 seconds quicker than the current body WRX.

cars in the 40-45k range are doing that same lightning lap 4 seconds faster than the Elantra N and 8 seconds faster than the WRX.

is magazine racing stupid, yes, absolutely, but at the end of the day....

is the base, maybe premium WRX a good value? yeah, sure.

is the WRX limited, TR, or any of the versions that take you near or over 40k a good value? nope, not even remotely a good buy if you are willing to look at options that don't have a Subaru badge.

Okay, but that's ALWAYS been the case. Plus isn't the "N" from Hyundai equivalent to the "STI" for Subaru because it's their performance division? I've never considered the WRX to be a performance car. It is a capable and fun daily commuter. My brain can't compare it to any other car by performance metrics. That's just a waste, in my eyes. When I think about a car that drives well during questionable weather conditions, when you still need to run errands on your day off and it's rainy or snowy, the WRX is a great car for that. The track isn't the real world.

The Veloster N was seen as a "Baby Civic Type R", but that couldn't justify its existence. The Kona N couldn't continue despite CUVs selling like sliced bread. And sedans are phasing out, so I don't foresee the Elantra N continuing for too much longer.

I've never been against other people purchasing a FWD performance car. If they enjoy it, then that's great. I enjoy seeing them on the road. I just wouldn't ever compare the WRX to the Elantra N unless I was willing to acknowledge what I'm gaining and sacrificing, and I wouldn't discount either car for not being something they weren't meant to be. If the Elantra N came with AWD, there's no way it'd be cheaper than the WRX. But at least then it'd be a fair comparison. We can't even compare a Core GR Corolla anymore since it comes with LSDs standard.

[OldBlu]

We can't compare because of diffs? I'm really failing to understand your argument. You may as well be saying every car we compare the WRX to needs a flat four and a vertical infotainment screen.

We make comparisons between cars with different drive wheels, different ride heights, different body styles. That's all anyone does when they purchase a car.

To have a similarly equipped WRX to an N isn't a price difference adding AWD to the N would necessarily make up. We aren't talking about a few thousand dollars. We're talking about several.

In comparisons the N doesn't quite keep up with the R, GR and Type R, but it absolutely trounces the Si, WRX, and GTI.

So yes with the disclaimer of if you don't need AWD, I'm not saying the N is a little cheaper, I'm saying it's a bargain.

Most Americans don't live in a place that requires AWD, so although you might hold highly the idea of all weather capability that's simply not an issue for most people. I'm not here to talk people into an N. The question of the N was asked and I gave my two cents. It really is irrelevant if in one person's mind the WRX is beyond comparison.

[JustyWRC]

WRX is losing favor. Near 28% drop last month for a YoY of 38% drop. TR/tS apparently not helping increase numbers. Please don't quote those y'all know we don't want quoted. Please and thank you.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by OldBlu

We can't compare because of diffs? I'm really failing to understand your argument. You may as well be saying every car we compare the WRX to needs a flat four and a vertical infotainment screen.



We make comparisons between cars with different drive wheels, different ride heights, different body styles. That's all anyone does when they purchase a car.



To have a similarly equipped WRX to an N isn't a price difference adding AWD to the N would necessarily make up. We aren't talking about a few thousand dollars. We're talking about several.



In comparisons the N doesn't quite keep up with the R, GR and Type R, but it absolutely trounces the Si, WRX, and GTI.



So yes with the disclaimer of if you don't need AWD, I'm not saying the N is a little cheaper, I'm saying it's a bargain.



Most Americans don't live in a place that requires AWD, so although you might hold highly the idea of all weather capability that's simply not an issue for most people. I'm not here to talk people into an N. The question of the N was asked and I gave my two cents. It really is irrelevant if in one person's mind the WRX is beyond comparison.

I'm aware it's irrelevant what I think of the comparison. I've been on here for a long time. And I'm not the only person who'd consider LSDs to be a consideration in the comparison. If FWD vs AWD can be considered, then so can open diffs vs LSD. People cross shop dumb stuff all the time. It's the most American thing on this forum.

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

WRX is losing favor. Near 28% drop last month for a YoY of 38% drop. TR/tS apparently not helping increase numbers. Please don't quote those y'all know we don't want quoted. Please and thank you.

Sad to hear it. I hate seeing this. Signs of a bigger economic problem me thinks. Not just EV market share. I’ll refrain from the “because it’s ugly” comments. That’s one of my reasons, but certainly not the reason for the masses with numbers like that.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

WRX is losing favor. Near 28% drop last month for a YoY of 38% drop. TR/tS apparently not helping increase numbers. Please don't quote those y'all know we don't want quoted. Please and thank you.

Indeed, inventory went up versus last month.



Lots of Mustang GTs sold surprisingly, but they are going up $2500 in price for 2025 so that might have been a factory there.

Civic Si inventory is depleted, probably due to a new model coming. Still very few Elantra N's to pick from. It does look a boat full of BMW's and VW's arrived last month as those all had inventory spikes (I know for sure Golf R's only get a couple of shipments a year, they always spike in inventory then drop to almost nothing until another shipment arrives).

BRZ's still have no inventory, and the big shipment of GR86's has been mostly sold through.

[Straight6]

The sales are still relatively good considering how the market is doing in this particular class. Also, Justine please calm down already.

[dgoodhue]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Indeed, inventory went up versus last month.

Do have this inventory data for last year or earlier this year?



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[mcarb002]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

WRX is losing favor. Near 28% drop last month for a YoY of 38% drop. TR/tS apparently not helping increase numbers. Please don't quote those y'all know we don't want quoted. Please and thank you.

When is the tS arriving?
I’m considering it. Purely on the interior, dampeners, and manual.

Also, interest rates remain pretty high in my opinion from what I’ve seen. Guess those financial experts in the forum didn’t have the inside scoop after all…tshehehe