2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

$36,500 - 2024 Core
$1,135 - Destination
$0 - Black Paint
$1,180 - Performance Package
$289 - All Weather Floor Liners & Cargo Tray Package

$39,104

I don't mind the floor liner package. I would want that.

https://www.smithtowntoyota.com/auto...n-ny/93714967/

You can prob get that for $37,500. Pretty good car for the money and definitely worth the extra 2k over what you can get a new premium WRX for after discounts. Apb_fools doesn’t understand you can get these under MSRP now lol.

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[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

You can prob get that for $37,500. Pretty good car for the money and definitely worth the extra 2k over what you can get a new premium WRX for after discounts. Apb_fools doesn't understand you can get these under MSRP now lol.

I understand, just not interested in a 3cyl 1.6 engine. High demand for tiny motors, is that why you can get them under msrp?

Cant wait to see what you do with yours in real life, like headwork and other simple mods + a tune. Guaranteed 400whp, i heard on a Subaru forum of all places. Guys are already making 600+ with simple bolt ons.

But dont get me wrong, they are fun to drive stock too. Barely faster than a VB 1/4mi.

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

I understand, just not interested in a 3cyl 1.6 engine. High demand for tiny motors, is that why you can get them under msrp?

Cant wait to see what you do with yours in real life, like headwork and other simple mods + a tune. Guaranteed 400whp, i heard on a Subaru forum of all places. Guys are already making 600+ with simple bolt ons.

But dont get me wrong, they are fun to drive stock too. Barely faster than a VB 1/4mi.

Motor was plucked from a WRC program, actual homologation motor / driveline but you’d rather have a Subaru SUV engine. Sorry buddy, you haven’t been around long enough to understand that a Subaru Wrx will always be a Subaru Wrx.

That motor is a dog compared to the GR race derived engine.

I had a 2022 VB when my prior company gave me a Subaru company car credit, it was free and I dumped it after a few months. Complete trash

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

I understand, just not interested in a 3cyl 1.6 engine. High demand for tiny motors, is that why you can get them under msrp?

Cant wait to see what you do with yours in real life, like headwork and other simple mods + a tune. Guaranteed 400whp, i heard on a Subaru forum of all places. Guys are already making 600+ with simple bolt ons.

But dont get me wrong, they are fun to drive stock too. Barely faster than a VB 1/4mi.

if I were in my 20s, or had the new WRX then I'd want more horsepower. the GRC feels great at factory levels.

and if you're going to do a completely worthless numbers comparison, why not pick something like the C&D lightning lap of VIR? is it because the WRX was 12 seconds slower than the GRC when tested? 12 seconds on a 4 mile track is pretty massive.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by samagon

stop being dishonest.

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

You can prob get that for $37,500. Pretty good car for the money and definitely worth the extra 2k over what you can get a new premium WRX for after discounts. Apb_fools doesn’t understand you can get these under MSRP now lol.

The high destination is what throws off the debate about the price.

I think the GRC and GRY are very special cars. They have their drawbacks, and I don't necessarily consider Toyota to be an enthusiast/motorsports oriented brand (granted they are in motorsports, we know that).

I saw a red Core? the other day. Looked great. I think it's worth the money in the current environment, being near the end of the line for manual sporty cars.

[fredzy]

Having finally driven a VB, I can say the GRC is the most fun engine out of the current crop of sporty cars by far. WRX, CTR, Golf R, twins. Not counting Mustang I guess, and I haven't driven Elantra N.

GR86 with a catback is comparable in terms of ICE-joyment but going back and forth between the two I distinctly remember thinking that engine swapping the 86 to a G16 would have been very good. And I am not a "twins need to be turbo" person at all. It's funny - turbo lag is an oft cited fault of the G16. Meanwhile it is much more responsive and easy to get the revs/power you want out of it than the NA FA24. I miss its responsiveness almost as much as its theatrics.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by samagon

if I were in my 20s, or had the new WRX then I'd want more horsepower. the GRC feels great at factory levels.

and if you're going to do a completely worthless numbers comparison, why not pick something like the C&D lightning lap of VIR? is it because the WRX was 12 seconds slower than the GRC when tested? 12 seconds on a 4 mile track is pretty massive.

I would take the nurbugring too.. but since i live in reality and dont see any track ever, best i will do like most other people is race in a straight line from light to light. Hence the only relevant comparison.

How many times have you taken your grc to VIR? Exactly. You, again, are giving a completely worthless number for hypotheticals. How many WRX or GRC owners you think go to a VIR or any track? Like 1%, if that?

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

I would take the nurbugring too.. but since i live in reality and dont see any track ever, best i will do like most other people is race in a straight line from light to light. Hence the only relevant comparison.

How many times have you taken your grc to VIR? Exactly. You, again, are giving a completely worthless number for hypotheticals. How many WRX or GRC owners you think go to a VIR or any track? Like 1%, if that?

1/4 mile times are just as relevant for accelerating from a streetlight as VIR times for going around corners.

so you can just stop it.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by samagon

1/4 mile times are just as relevant for accelerating from a streetlight as VIR times for going around corners.

so you can just stop it.

Yes, tell that to WRX and other cars on the street when you catch up at next light… “but my GRC is faster at VIR.”

Funny guy.

[SCRAPPYDO]

when you stop buying cars based on magazine racing and start buying cars that make you smile, you will win at life.

[Russ_G93]

The 2025 GRC is supposed to get that Beefy auto they developed, adding more torque too - Pushing it up to 295ftlbs. Audi S3 numbers, or maybe they benchmarked an S3?

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

when you stop buying cars based on magazine racing and start buying cars that make you smile, you will win at life.

Well said.

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

The 2025 GRC is supposed to get that Beefy auto they developed, adding more torque too - Pushing it up to 295ftlbs. Audi S3 numbers, or maybe they benchmarked an S3?

When/where does it make 295ft lbs and for how long?

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Yes, tell that to WRX and other cars on the street when you catch up at next light***8230; "but my GRC is faster at VIR."

Funny guy.

consider some reading comprehension classes at your local community college.

Originally Posted by samagon

if I were in my 20s, or had the new WRX then I'd want more horsepower. the GRC feels great at factory levels.

and if you're going to do a completely worthless numbers comparison, why not pick something like the C&D lightning lap of VIR? is it because the WRX was 12 seconds slower than the GRC when tested? 12 seconds on a 4 mile track is pretty massive.

but don't let that stop you from whatever it is you're trying to do.

[Russ_G93]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Well said.



When/where does it make 295ft lbs and for how long?

https://www.toyota.com/grgarage/grcorolla/

I think its the new 8speed Direct auto they used in the Beefed up Yaris overseas. But yeah thats a nice Torque figure. Subaru has some shoes to fill

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

Well said.



When/where does it make 295ft lbs and for how long?

https://pressroom.toyota.com/the-gr-...M2OTcuNjAuMC4w

[Pre]

Originally Posted by fredzy

Having finally driven a VB, I can say the GRC is the most fun engine out of the current crop of sporty cars by far. WRX, CTR, Golf R, twins. Not counting Mustang I guess, and I haven't driven Elantra N.

That’s because the motor was WRC derived. It was designed as a rally/race motor first, before a street legal car. It’s literally 1/2 a V6. The firing order is unique, among compact cars like hatches and small sedans. It’s also unique, in that it reminds me of a VTEC Honda engine. It likes to rev. On boil, the G16 likes you to be at 5-7k rpm, in that range, well say 4500-7000 RPM. I say VTEC, not literally, but the stock G16 really starts to rip at the top of the rev range. It’s the first engine, amongst these AWD affordable performance cars, that feels MotorSports derived, a la rally roots. And it’s the first engine where I didn’t immediately want FBO’s and a tune. The more you beat on it the more it delivers. In the corners, constantly rowing gears and keeping the engine at the top of the range, it’s the first engine I could keep stock and be content. I’ve owned the STi (GR), Focus RS, Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX AWD Turbo, and I’ve driven every EVO available in the USDM. I hate sedans with gusto but had Mitsubishi ever given us a proper 6MT, it would be in the garage. Same for the R35. Driven them in various states of tune including one that made 1000HP. But the one I drove with the dual DP’s (IIRC), and mild mods that made 650HP to the wheels (which didn’t over power the brakes or chassis), man if Nissan could have bothered to ever give it a 6MT, it’d be in the garage right now as well.

The Focus RS was built for fun first and magazine metrics a distant 2nd. That car was a blast to drive. Ford just f’d it all up by porting over the 2.3L Ecoboost/turbocharged engine from the Mustang, which wasn’t a MotorSports derived motor. The motor was generic IMO. Give me the Focus RS chassis, GKN Twinster drivetrain, with the GRC motor, and the Recaros out of the last gen STi and I’d have the perfect car. But out of all of them, the GRC is the best I’ve driven or owned.

Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

when you stop buying cars based on magazine racing and start buying cars that make you smile, you will win at life.

I agree. A vehicle is a sum of its parts. The focus (on this forum) on 0-60, 1/4, and stop light pulls is straight Why would you buy any of these cars for that? Dumb as rocks. You want straight line thrills, go get a Dodge Challenger or Charger. Dodge made the Hellcat with a 6spd MT and I’d go that route. If I had more garage space, to have multiple performance cars (already own 2 cars, a truck, and various 2 wheel and watercraft) for a freeway bomber I’d love to have one. Or just go get a M3P if you don’t care about a manual. The sum of its parts is important. You want AWD, you pay the price for it. Similar price you can get more HP out of a RWD variant when in comparison to the GRC, the dead STi, or Golf R. Similar price to a base WRX, you could get a better performing car to corner in via the Twins or a Miata. So you have to pick and choose a sum of its parts.

The funny thing about the GRC, and largely due to the G16 and its behavior, it doesn’t need to be modded, at all. My EJ in my STi, well we know how the stock mapping is on a Subaru motor, especially the EJ’s. Safer for the engine to have a stage 1 tune on it compared to factory AFR’s. The G16 you can do cams and valve springs, what Camaro owners have been doing for decades (cams and headers), and get 400-450 whp providing you swap the turbo or mod the OEM turbo. But it doesn’t need it. Intake, FMIC, and you’ll be around 320 whp and it’s a rocket in the turns. I mean on a mountain road you’d be leaving near supercar turf, in your wake, and if it’s raining, unless that supercar is AWD, it’s F’d. On contrary to internet sensationalism, well the GRY has been out for years longer, and these engine fires are extremely sus, and internet fodder. If this was a legit issue you have GR Yaris’s all over the world catching fire. Oh and the “overheat”, nah it doesn’t overheat at all, the GR4, like the GKN Twinster in the RS, it has a protection mechanism programmed in, to protect itself. Due to CAFE and making fleet averages most every vehicle MFR that makes AWD platform has gone to some sort of variable AWD split to keep making them. It’s also why you can get better MPG out of the GRC than you can in the current WRX. Again a necessary evil to keep making a car like this. The GR4 doesn’t overheat in one lap. I read the track day fodder, 20-25 minute sessions, if it does go into protect mode it’s the last lap or two of a 25 minute track session which is the norm for most HPDE’s. Or it doesn’t happen at all until the end of the day during the last session. High ambient temp track days wreak havoc on everything, including sportbikes which are more setup for track duty straight off the showroom floor compared to ANY car made. Even then when I flashed the ECU on my R1, I had them lower the temp where the radiator fans kicked on to avoid overheating. In extremely hot geographic foot prints such as Sepang in Malaysia, the MotoGP teams have large fans they put in front of the bikes after each session. Heat is heat, but like most things on the internet, things like this are severely overblown. Last weekend it was 103 here and I purposely tried to get the GR4 to overheat out in my twisties. I tried and tried, hitting oil temps of 260, and never got the message on the dash because it never happened. So in reality, for 99% of buyers, and like the RS, 99% of buyers will never have it occur. If you live at elevation like in CO, and 5-6k feet, and it’s 90-100, it’s gonna happen. Same at sea level if it’s 100 degrees. But that happens on a CTR as well, it’s just the engine itself that drops power due to the heat. Even then with the GRC, every 10 minutes back off a lap or so, cruise, let temps fall, and get back at it. And for those who don’t want to have to do that, cool, buy a Syvecs AWD controller and dial in the AWD map, and you’ll never deal with it again. Every motorcycle or car needs to be modded for track use in high heat environments. I once owned a homologation Superbike, that was raced in WSBK. The owners who chose to do track days in high heat, 100 degrees, had to buy Moriwaki radiator fins for the dual sided radiators to avoid this condition.

Hype and internet bulls**t isn’t real world reality. It’s just fodder for people who spend more time jawing on the internet than driving or riding corners. And just like 10 or 20 years ago, the jawing is done 90% by people who haven’t even driven or ridden that vehicle anyways. Speculative speculation at best, all based on some bs YT video or whatever. I’ve been reading this “EV’s cause fires all over the place” for a decade. And in 10.5 years, my EV has never caught fire and these days it’s parked and charged in 100+ degree weather. Over 10 years in and I’m still waiting on that fire. I never got my RS to overheat, even at track days, and I’m still waiting for my GRC CE to overheat, and to my best ability of trying to get it do so, never has, and likely never will. Your time would be better spent debating BigFoot sightings.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

https://www.toyota.com/grgarage/grcorolla/

I think its the new 8speed Direct auto they used in the Beefed up Yaris overseas. But yeah thats a nice Torque figure. Subaru has some shoes to fill

yes, the 8 speed is the same from the Yaris.

the torque bump is across all GR Corolla trim levels, regardless of transmission. the '25 also will be making the LSD standard across all trim levels.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by samagon

consider some reading comprehension classes at your local community college.



but don't let that stop you from whatever it is you're trying to do.

How many times did you race your GRC or take it to VIR?

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Apb_pools

How many times did you race your GRC or take it to VIR?

Originally Posted by samagon

you're going to do a completely worthless numbers comparison

.bye.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by samagon

.bye.

Hey but its developed on WRC and fast around VIR, your words/arguments.

Funny guy.

[Straight6]

Are GRC owners really trying to justify their purchase in a WRX thread ?

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Pre

The Focus RS was built for fun first and magazine metrics a distant 2nd. That car was a blast to drive. Ford just f’d it all up by porting over the 2.3L Ecoboost/turbocharged engine from the Mustang, which wasn’t a MotorSports derived motor. The motor was generic IMO. Give me the Focus RS chassis, GKN Twinster drivetrain, with the GRC motor, and the Recaros out of the last gen STi and I’d have the perfect car. But out of all of them, the GRC is the best I’ve driven or owned.

Turns out the Type R didn't have all that much more magic sauce than the GRC for me. Took 2 years, but I finally figured out that trying to land a daily that's as fun to drive as the GR86 is a fools errand. So I replaced the CTR with a TourX

I didn't realize until I had it but the TourX has a Twinster! Not that it can do anything for a barge of a car like this. Should go great in the snow I guess.

[SCRAPPYDO]

Originally Posted by Straight6

Are GRC owners really trying to justify their purchase in a WRX thread ?

Well nobody with functional eyesight can justify a WRX, so yeah, its something else to talk about.

[Apb_pools]

Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

when you stop buying cars based on magazine racing and start buying cars that make you smile, you will win at life.

Was this your mom posting earlier? Not congruent with your current logic or own subjective views.

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by Straight6

Are GRC owners really trying to justify their purchase in a WRX thread ?

And which car purchase are you trying to justify exactly?