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Old 12-06-2019, 12:43 PM   #51
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WTF happened to BMW? That is just awful!

As bad as the front end is, the rear is just hideous.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:58 PM   #52
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Different platform. I would expect the next M2 to look similar to the upcoming M3/M4 which could be good or bad considering some of the leaks we have seen.
The M2CS will look very similar to the M2C. The question is, will the standard M2 in the next redesign have the front bumper as this? Iím betting itís damn close.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:58 PM   #53
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WTF happened to BMW?
Nothing. Sales are up this year for them as they are a month away from becoming the #1 selling luxury brand for the first time in years.
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Old 12-06-2019, 12:59 PM   #54
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WTF happened to BMW? That is just awful!

As bad as the front end is, the rear is just hideous.
The current CEO is a ****ing moron who just wants to pump out vehicles for the sake of revenue while destroying heritage.
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Old 12-06-2019, 01:11 PM   #55
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The current CEO is a ****ing moron who just wants to pump out vehicles for the sake of revenue while destroying heritage.
Itís worked fine for Subaru. Pumping out high volume while quality tumbles. Itís what made Honda and Toyota shadows of what they used to be. Porsche is basically an SUV company now.
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Old 12-06-2019, 01:24 PM   #56
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It’s worked fine for Subaru. Pumping out high volume while quality tumbles. It’s what made Honda and Toyota shadows of what they used to be. Porsche is basically an SUV company now.
This feels like something distantly related to gentrification. Not that I think gentrification should be banned, but I question the idiots that are behind it.

Gentrification: often rougher/poorer area somehow has a revival and develops awesome community and culture. Rich people notice this, and decide they want to live in that area. Rich people drive up cost of living due to frivolous spending, and drive out the people that made the culture what it was. The culture suffers, but rich people are happy with the fake feeling that they live in some cool cultural place.

Car buying gentrification: auto mfr makes cool cars with unique offerings and does simply okay. People get attracted to the brand because they want to be cool. They end up deciding "being cool" has too many sacrifices they don't want to make. Auto MFR produces more mundane garbage which the fake mother forkers buy up in droves because they still get to claim they own an "ultimate driving machine". Mfr loses soul and keeps producing mundane garbage in ever-increasing quantities.

Just accept that you're an NPC and buy from the actual appliance brands. Fork your fake image.

I think I've come to a conclusion: fake people wanting to feel like they are something they are not are the root cause of a lot of woes

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Old 12-06-2019, 01:32 PM   #57
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Car buying LEASING gentrification:
Fixed to help make sense of it all.
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:11 PM   #58
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Itís worked fine for Subaru. Pumping out high volume while quality tumbles. Itís what made Honda and Toyota shadows of what they used to be. Porsche is basically an SUV company now.
Name a major manufacturer that hasn't sold their soul to some extent for the sake of sales. All the Japanese companies pretty much have. Honda is probably the one that has gained the most back. Toyota's performance soul relies on other companies to build it for them.

GM continues to sell their soul, except for the Corvette and maybe Camaro. Ford does it and looking to do it with the Mustang brand. FCA is a mess and their merger with PSA could be a saving grace or a nightmare. But that said, Dodge might be the one that didn't completely sell out yet as they continue to sell RWD coupes and sedans with low tech big V8's.

BMW, Audi, MB have done it with their entry level FWD based models. VW is moving to be a mostly CUV company. Ferrari is going SUV, Lamborghini and Maserati have a SUV each.

Actually, Hyundai and Kia might be the ones that haven't sold their soul because they didn't have one. Or they just buy the talent from other companies.
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:33 PM   #59
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Name a major manufacturer that hasn't sold their soul to some extent for the sake of sales.
Sold their soul by bastardizing their heritage? Or just sold their soul to the dollar? Big difference. Mazda hasn't sold their soul. They never bastardized the RX nameplate. They did the proper thing and killed it off until they can make something deserving of the title (if ever). They still make the miata as faithful as they ever have. They offer decidedly not-bland cars as far as handling characteristics go for appliances. I can't think of a single time in mazda's history where they preyed on the power of brand recognition to sell a vehicle, or where they drastically altered their formula, or did any kind of badge/image engineering.

No one is faulting BMW for making sedans, etc. We're faulting them for losing their way, needlessly segmenting their lineup, and diluting it with tons of crap like m-performance packages, while simultaneously going off the deepend with the kidney grill meme, reducing the actual driver feel and engagement of their cars, and having probably the worst feature-to-price point of any of the pseudo luxury brands.
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:56 PM   #60
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:56 PM   #61
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Old 12-06-2019, 03:49 PM   #62
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Sold their soul by bastardizing their heritage? Or just sold their soul to the dollar? Big difference. Mazda hasn't sold their soul. They never bastardized the RX nameplate. They did the proper thing and killed it off until they can make something deserving of the title (if ever). They still make the miata as faithful as they ever have. They offer decidedly not-bland cars as far as handling characteristics go for appliances. I can't think of a single time in mazda's history where they preyed on the power of brand recognition to sell a vehicle, or where they drastically altered their formula, or did any kind of badge/image engineering.

No one is faulting BMW for making sedans, etc. We're faulting them for losing their way, needlessly segmenting their lineup, and diluting it with tons of crap like m-performance packages, while simultaneously going off the deepend with the kidney grill meme, reducing the actual driver feel and engagement of their cars, and having probably the worst feature-to-price point of any of the pseudo luxury brands.
Mazda is probably one of the least offenders. They did have to give in to Ford buying stake in their company because of their financial problems but did keep much of their development. Their biggest offense is probably building the first gen CX-9 utilizing Ford chassis and drivetrain. Though, they are now utilizing the MX naming scheme for their new EV CUV, so hopefully it's not a start of a new trend.
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Old 12-06-2019, 06:11 PM   #63
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I can't blame companies for deciding to make SUV's/CUV's because those sell better and make the most money. They should be doing things that make them more money and more profitable.

But that doesn't mean the designs on their cars have to suck. The design direction of that BMW is just atrocious. And I can't imagine it helps sales.

As far as Porsche, I don't care if they make SUVs. I don't ever intend on buying one. As long as they don't ditch the sports cars and ONLY make SUVs, I'm happy.
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Old 12-07-2019, 04:57 PM   #64
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Itís worked fine for Subaru. Pumping out high volume while quality tumbles. Itís what made Honda and Toyota shadows of what they used to be. Porsche is basically an SUV company now.
Yeah, but those SUVís are ****ing sweet!
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