Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday January 23, 2020
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-09-2019, 10:13 PM   #51
n7slc
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 443545
Join Date: Mar 2016
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: SLC, Utah
Vehicle:
2015 WRX Limited CVT
Lightning Red

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy View Post
Subaru just changed the Ascent CVT TCM reflash TSB to a full-on recall. Lots of Ascent folks getting new CVTs. Looks like mine is still outside the build date scope of the recall. So far.


New CVTs?
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
n7slc is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 12-09-2019, 11:03 PM   #52
heavyD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 194216
Join Date: Nov 2008
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Vehicle:
2020 X3M Competition

Default

Subaru really needs to invest in a proper automatic transmission. Having every vehicle equipped with a CVT is going to cost them in long term reliability.
heavyD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2019, 09:22 AM   #53
Brahmzy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:
'20 ASCENT
'15 XTERRA P4X

Default

^^ Agreed. I loved the CVT + turbo combo in my old 14 FXT, but reliability was one of the reasons I sold it.
So I fixed that by buying a new Ascent with a CVT where reliability is still a concern, lol.
Not to mention they FORCE fake shifts now on the Ascent.
Brahmzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2019, 09:26 AM   #54
Brahmzy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:
'20 ASCENT
'15 XTERRA P4X

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by n7slc View Post
New CVTs?
Yes, the cause was slipping caused by a few things which this new recall flash helps them identify. It helps them know if the trans has ever slipped - apparently they had no trouble codes available with the old software to show them if the trans ever had a slip event.
A defective hydraulic wiring harness is the culprit along with them supposedly dialing in more cone / chain clamping pressure with the reflash.
If the CVT has ever encountered a single slip, ever, recall states replacement is mandatory.
A few dealers have already tried to get out of replacing the trans. Pretty sad. The customer needs to demand some honesty on this one. Lots of people are taking video of their trans slipping. Reminds of the leak down tests where compression/leak down tests were done to see if FA20DITs needed to be replaced. There were some accounts of dealer dishonesty issues there as well.

Last edited by Brahmzy; 12-10-2019 at 09:32 AM.
Brahmzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2019, 09:46 AM   #55
Angelus911
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 89967
Join Date: Jun 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: MA
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza Sport
DGM

Default

Iím bringing my Ď16 Legacy to the dealer in a couple weeks for the CVT. They will probably find nothing but it doesnít drive right. Iím at 74k on the car now, will probably sell it once I hit 100k and the warranty is gone
Angelus911 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2019, 03:28 PM   #56
gathermewool
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 143624
Join Date: Mar 2007
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: New England
Vehicle:
14 FXTT (hers)
15 Legacy 2.5i Prem (his)

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy View Post
Reminds of the leak down tests where compression/leak down tests were done to see if FA20DITs needed to be replaced. There were some accounts of dealer dishonesty issues there as well.
I always wondered the same re: honesty/accuracy of results. However, that was back in 2016 and my '14 FXT is still trucking along nicely almost four years later, now at ~75k miles.

my results were:

Spark plug inspection: SAT

Leakdown results:
Cylinders 1/2/3/4: 2%/1%/1%/2%
gathermewool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2019, 09:06 AM   #57
RobM
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 177056
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Alberta, Canada
Vehicle:
2015 WRX - CVT
2009 Forester XT

Default

Subaru’s extended the warranties of early adopters to 10 years coverage on the CVT. I’m five years into ownership of mine, and so far it’s been trouble-free. I imagine Subaru will year-to-year increase their warranty on it to 10 years for each newer year model.
RobM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2019, 09:33 AM   #58
Brahmzy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:
'20 ASCENT
'15 XTERRA P4X

Default

It’s not the years but the mileage, in some cases.
100,000mi is supposed to half life on these things. Our Forester racked up 90K miles in less than 6 years. This would’ve left a LOT of miles uncovered outside of the extension.
They need to do a 10yr/120,00mi at a bare minimum (since 12k/yr is well known to average) preferably a 10yr/150,000mi extension.
Brahmzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2019, 01:38 PM   #59
b4wantab
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 21293
Join Date: Jul 2002
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Oak Park, IL
Vehicle:
05 OB Black Bean
1969 W-30

Default

SOAís profits last year were down 48% from 2017. The main cost cited was the increase in warranty claims. I donít think they can make a business case to extend warranties.

Peace,

Greg
b4wantab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2019, 03:25 PM   #60
Pre
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 139693
Join Date: Feb 2007
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b4wantab View Post
SOAís profits last year were down 48% from 2017. The main cost cited was the increase in warranty claims.

Wow. Be careful typing that. The tiki torch Booby people won't be sending you a Xmas card.
Pre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2019, 10:22 PM   #61
Brahmzy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:
'20 ASCENT
'15 XTERRA P4X

Default

^^ LOL!
Brahmzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2019, 11:06 PM   #62
Brahmzy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:
'20 ASCENT
'15 XTERRA P4X

Default

New recall just hit the Ascents today (ECU Flash) (Mine’s in scope):
Type: Customer Satisfaction
Service Campaign: WUU06
NHTSA Campaign: N/A
Date: November 22, 2019
Action: ECU Reprogramming C1424

Description
In some vehicles, the current software may cause the sub learning value control to operate improperly during the wake-up mode of the ECM. This could cause repeated erroneous learning of the accelerator position which can result in the disabling of the VDC function. When the VDC function is disabled, EyeSight, Reverse Automatic Braking (RAB), and Electronic Parking Brake (EPB) auto release functions are disabled by the VDC fail signal causing the VDC, EyeSight, RAB and EPB warning lamps to illuminate.

Safety Risk
None

Remedy
Subaru retailers will reprogram the ECM.
Brahmzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 12:52 AM   #63
subyski
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 202642
Join Date: Nov 2007
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Centennial, Colorado
Vehicle:
08 Impreza,80Vette
68 Impala, 15 SantaFe

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by b4wantab View Post
SOAís profits last year were down 48% from 2017. The main cost cited was the increase in warranty claims. I donít think they can make a business case to extend warranties.

Peace,

Greg
How much was due to the S209 and homologating the STI brand?
subyski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 08:56 AM   #64
Brahmzy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:
'20 ASCENT
'15 XTERRA P4X

Default

Another new recall just hit the Ascents yesterday (mostly affects ‘19s I think):

Type: Safety
Safety Recall: WUW08
NHTSA Campaign: 19V856000
Date: November 22, 2019

Description
The PCV valve may separate and allow engine oil to enter the combustion chamber, resulting in a visible change in appearance and/or the amount of tailpipe exhaust. If driving under this condition continues, separated components from the PCV valve may enter the engine.

Safety Risk
If separated components from the PCV valve enter the engine, the vehicle may experience a loss of motive power, increasing the risk of a crash.

Remedy
Vehicles affected by this recall will require an inspection and potential replacement of the PCV valve.

Last edited by Brahmzy; 12-12-2019 at 09:32 AM.
Brahmzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 09:21 AM   #65
KC
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 442
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: RI/SE Mass
Vehicle:
17 Imp Spurt
00 S2k

Default

My '17 Impreza was dropped off this morning for the current recalls. I knew of 2, PCV and ECM and they said there's a 3rd that I hadn't yet heard of, they're going to replace the brake hoses on all 4 corners, so I was kind of surprised.

--kC
KC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 03:49 PM   #66
kukabuka
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 41218
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: North Idaho
Vehicle:
2019 Golf R
2019 Ascent Touring

Default

I took my Ascent in this morning after getting a check engine light. They are going to perform all 3 recalls for me! CVT, PCM, and PCV. Maybe they'll even figure out why I have a check engine light, but I'm not holding my breath.

I typically keep cars for about 5 years, and I've never had a car with more than one recall. Yikes, Subaru.
kukabuka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2019, 07:06 PM   #67
Brahmzy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:
'20 ASCENT
'15 XTERRA P4X

Default

Well I for one am very glad they’re fixing things and taking ownership quicker than previous years. Waited 3 freakin years to have my ‘14 FXT finally get fixed.
Brahmzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2019, 07:48 AM   #68
chanomatik
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Blackstone, MA
Vehicle:
2017 Impreza Sport
Lithium Red - OLDKID

Default

When I took my Impreza in the other month there wasn't a fix yet for the PCV. I'll have to schedule for that sometime soon, although now the holidays are coming up, so I probably won't get to it until the week after the new year. Ooof.
chanomatik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2019, 09:46 AM   #69
KC
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 442
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: RI/SE Mass
Vehicle:
17 Imp Spurt
00 S2k

Default

Fix for PCV is inspect to make sure it's intact, then remove and replace with newer design. Just need it in stock. Call your dealer to set up appt. and they can get the part. May not have it if you show up and try to get same day fix.

--kC
KC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2019, 07:37 PM   #70
chanomatik
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Blackstone, MA
Vehicle:
2017 Impreza Sport
Lithium Red - OLDKID

Default

Ah okay. Thank you for the heads up, my good fellow.
chanomatik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2019, 12:06 AM   #71
Brahmzy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:
'20 ASCENT
'15 XTERRA P4X

Default

Pretty cool transparent explanation and progress of one of the Ascent’s tranny recalls:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...9V855-2068.PDF
Brahmzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2019, 01:55 PM   #72
dragonwrx1
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 193590
Join Date: Nov 2008
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: SOCAL
Vehicle:
2016 FORESTER XT
BLUE SoCal F4 #24

Default

Subaru really has to get their act together, my 16 Forester XT (has under 45k miles) already had gone to dealership 4 times, and 1 of them were recalls. (Deformed speaker trim, leaking CVT oil pump, passenger airbag sensor failed while driving on the fwy, and brake light switch).

My 2006 Wrx wagon had zero dealership visit in the 10 years I owned it, 140k when I traded it in for the 16 fxt. My MIL 2018 outback had 1 recall and passenger auto window had issues.

Subaru may sell well for now, but if they do not get their quality control/design addressed. I see huge downfall soon, My Forester will be my last Subaru until things are in order again. Will trade it in by 100k, Time to go electric, since I have a MX-5 for fun .

Last edited by dragonwrx1; 12-19-2019 at 02:01 PM.
dragonwrx1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2019, 12:15 AM   #73
Zak
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 4148
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: NJ
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Auto Wagon
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmzy View Post
Pretty cool transparent explanation and progress of one of the Ascentís tranny recalls:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/201...9V855-2068.PDF
I think that document illustrates part of the problem.

Subaru figured out by May 7 that there was a problem with the pulley pressure sensor resistance increasing but didn't know why. They changed the TCU programming to better handle and diagnose the erroneous pressure sensor readings and continued selling Ascents while knowing they couldn't trust the pressure sensor readings and acknowledging they didn't actually know what the cause of the sensor resistance problem was. Their words - "The root cause for the increase in electrical resistance remained unidentified."

That was a conscious decision to continue building/selling ~42,000 vehicles that had a much higher than average chance of needing additional service (if not a recall) at some point in the future.

They figured out by November that the problem was caused by dissimilar metals in a wiring harness joint, but they don't say if/when the harness fix that actually corrects the underlying problem was implemented on the production line.

It seems the TCU reflash contains some extra diagnostics to light a DTC when the harness goes bad. Instead of fixing the harnesses proactively now on all affected vehicles when they are brought in for this recall, it seems Subaru is putting it on their customers with "good" harnesses to bring their cars back to the dealer for yet another service visit if/when the harness gets bad enough to light the DTC in the future. They don't offer any rationale behind their decision to only replace the harnesses that are "bad" now rather than replacing all the harnesses that could have the manufacturing defect (including the vehicles built after May 7 that aren't even a part of this recall).

This seems like exactly the type of thinking that is leading to all these recalls in the first place.
Zak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2019, 12:48 AM   #74
JustyWRC
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:
2005 Baja Turbo
06 Forester 18 Imp Sport

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zak View Post

...That was a conscious decision to continue building/selling ~42,000 vehicles that had a much higher than average chance of needing additional service (if not a recall) at some point in the future....

In that document, as of 11-22-19, there were 255 known issues out of 76,000+ units. How is that a "much higher than average chance"?
JustyWRC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2019, 01:49 AM   #75
Brahmzy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:
'20 ASCENT
'15 XTERRA P4X

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zak View Post
I think that document illustrates part of the problem.

Subaru figured out by May 7 that there was a problem with the pulley pressure sensor resistance increasing but didn't know why. They changed the TCU programming to better handle and diagnose the erroneous pressure sensor readings and continued selling Ascents while knowing they couldn't trust the pressure sensor readings and acknowledging they didn't actually know what the cause of the sensor resistance problem was. Their words - "The root cause for the increase in electrical resistance remained unidentified."

That was a conscious decision to continue building/selling ~42,000 vehicles that had a much higher than average chance of needing additional service (if not a recall) at some point in the future.

They figured out by November that the problem was caused by dissimilar metals in a wiring harness joint, but they don't say if/when the harness fix that actually corrects the underlying problem was implemented on the production line.

It seems the TCU reflash contains some extra diagnostics to light a DTC when the harness goes bad. Instead of fixing the harnesses proactively now on all affected vehicles when they are brought in for this recall, it seems Subaru is putting it on their customers with "good" harnesses to bring their cars back to the dealer for yet another service visit if/when the harness gets bad enough to light the DTC in the future. They don't offer any rationale behind their decision to only replace the harnesses that are "bad" now rather than replacing all the harnesses that could have the manufacturing defect (including the vehicles built after May 7 that aren't even a part of this recall).

This seems like exactly the type of thinking that is leading to all these recalls in the first place.
What blows my mind is how on earth did they design a dissimilar metal harness on a resistance-sensitive application like that. That like 101 stuff. It speaks to a bad cost-cutting decision somehow. Subaru engineers are not stupid. How on earth do these cheap ass parts make it into the vehicles? PCV valves. Crap wiring harnesses. Again, Subaru is not alone here.
In the BMW M2,the rear turn signals can fail (often) because the factory wiring harnesses on both sides do not have adequate grounds. A fix is to splice in a fatter/ better ground into the harness near the taillight on both sides. Yet,BMW refuses to redesign the harnesses and prefers to just replace the 5% - 10% of failures at the inconvenience of the customers...
Brahmzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:51 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2020 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.