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Old 05-22-2019, 10:16 AM   #26
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every single person i know with a truck thinks electric vehicles are the dumbest thing on the planet. they would never consider an electric truck for many reasons, many of those reasons are ignorant and stupid, but its how the majority of truck owners feel. electric f-150 sales are going to be terrible.
I would love an electric Truck, but then again, I haven't been a truck guy in about 20 years+/-.

The suck part is I'm looking at getting a truck in the next year, and an EV truck won't be out in time for me.
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Yeah, that's not bad at all. I wonder if ford is moving to a new logo away from the blue oval with that too.... I don't think they can call it a mustang EV.

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How about a Maverick GLH (Goes Like Hell)?
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Old 05-22-2019, 02:14 PM   #28
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This would make a great Maverick.

Bring back the Maverick Grabber and GT
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Old 05-22-2019, 05:30 PM   #29
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Looking at it closer, it looks like a Tesla Model Y with more character lines, and Crosstrek wheels. That's fine, and it makes sense in the marketplace as a competitor. My only problem with it is the Mustang logo on it. I'm sure their thinking is that if you were a boomer, who remembers lusting after an original Mach 1, Ford is probably hoping you would see this and think, "Wow, how much the world has changed in 50 years...". But the other side of that is, "Eek, look at what Ford has become in 50 years..."
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every single person i know with a truck thinks electric vehicles are the dumbest thing on the planet. they would never consider an electric truck for many reasons, many of those reasons are ignorant and stupid, but its how the majority of truck owners feel. electric f-150 sales are going to be terrible.
I'm using mobile, so I can't see your location, but that view point might be a regional thing. I live in a location where trucks are an accessory you buy to compliment your beard and intentionally worn out ball cap. These hosers would be all over electric trucks.
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Old 05-22-2019, 07:22 PM   #31
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I'm using mobile, so I can't see your location, but that view point might be a regional thing. I live in a location where trucks are an accessory you buy to compliment your beard and intentionally worn out ball cap. These hosers would be all over electric trucks.
it is regional. im in the midwest and im sure on the coasts people are far more open to it because of the infrastructure and more liberal political leanings. there just arent many charging stations here and id venture a guess that 90%+ of truck owners dont think carbon emissions have anything to do with climate change or that climate change is a hoax.
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every single person i know with a truck thinks electric vehicles are the dumbest thing on the planet. they would never consider an electric truck for many reasons, many of those reasons are ignorant and stupid, but its how the majority of truck owners feel. electric f-150 sales are going to be terrible.
Hmm, With California pushing their weight around like a big fat woman wanting a Twinkie. I can see how an electric truck would sell to municipalities and other Power Hungry tree huggers. I feel the gamble is worth it for ford. Personally making the next gen Ranger EV capable would be huge for them.
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Are you a mentally dense person who completely ignored that Ford is working on EV development for the F150 and is also invested in that EV truck company (can’t remember the name).

I swear, you’re either trolling or just spewing out bull****. It’s one or the other.
Iv'e watched low MPG be abandoned a few times in my life and worked in a gas station when lines were a mile long or more. Consumers change rapidly and a look towards MEast issues today could happen again at any time. Most who drive full sized pickups DON"T NEED THEM and desire for them could change and switch to EVS and small cars.
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It is not the same though, as the US can produce enough gas without a drop of foreign oil. we were a net exporter for the first time last year I believe. Their will never be gas shortages again and long lines at GAS stations. Now long lines at EV stations could be an issue if the take rate outpaces the charging points in urban areas. But we are not there yet.
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It is not the same though, as the US can produce enough gas without a drop of foreign oil. we were a net exporter for the first time last year I believe. Their will never be gas shortages again and long lines at GAS stations. Now long lines at EV stations could be an issue if the take rate outpaces the charging points in urban areas. But we are not there yet.
<insert Malthusian moral panic>



It's interesting that during the late 1800's they were worried about peak coal.
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Ford has released a few more details of its Mustang-inspired EV, confirming plans for several drivetrain and battery configurations.

A joint announcement with Electrify America mentions that the all-electric SUV aims to achieve a 300-mile EPA range rating with an "extended battery and rear-wheel drive." The fast-charging network will provide enough power to add 47 miles of range in just 10 minutes.

An all-wheel-drive variant will presumably have a slightly lower range estimate than the rear-wheel edition. The discontinued Tesla Model S RWD configuration offered around 10 percent better range than the equivalent AWD model, while the Model X is only available as a dual-motor crossover with a 325-mile rating for the Long Range package.

Rumored to be named the Mach E, Ford's electric crossover is slated to enter production by "late 2020" -- coinciding with the production target for its main rival, the Tesla Model Y.

Retracted Leak Says 'Mustang-Inspired' Electric Ford SUV Will Offer RWD-Only Option

In a now-retracted passage of a tandem release with Ford about their fast-charge network alliance, Electrify America seems to have accidentally revealed that the Blue Oval's "Mustang-inspired" electric crossover—possibly named the Mach E—will be released in late 2020 with a rear-wheel-drive-only version to match its pony car muse.

According to the original text of Electrify America's release, which we captured in a screenshot, Ford is targeting an EPA-estimated range of 300 miles "with an extended battery and rear-wheel drive." That specificity, and the fact it would only make sense for an electric SUV to sport a dual-motor powertrain for all-wheel drive, suggests that the EV will offer either a RWD-only model or at least the option to completely deactivate the front axle motor. The phrasing also points to at least two different battery capacities on deck.

ELECTRIFY AMERICA VIA THE DRIVE
When The Drive reached out to Ford to verify Electrify America's release, the latter company quietly deleted the extended battery and rear-drive line. In addition to the screenshot above, the detail is still preserved on the version hosted by PR Newswire. Ford has yet to answer our request for comment.

These details corroborate those presented by an alleged Ford engineer in a leak this past April. The person claimed that the Mach E is "definitely coming in the second half of 2020," and that there'd be a version capable of traveling over 300 miles on a full charge. Today's development lends credence to their other assertions; they say the Mach E will look more like a Jaguar I-Pace coupe-over than a Ford Escape, and will cost approximately the same as the Tesla Model Y—roughly between $40,000 and $60,000 depending on selected battery, motor, and trim level.

Like the Model Y, the fastest Ford Mach E is speculated to do zero-to-60 mph in 3.5 seconds or less. We probably won't see that from the long-range model, as that kind of acceleration will likely come from twin-motor all-wheel drive, but every Mach E should be quick nonetheless. Expect similar specs with an emphasis on luxury from the Mach E's fraternal Lincoln twin, which is also expected to debut next year.

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Old 10-22-2019, 08:42 AM   #37
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Key Details About Ford’s “Mustang-Inspired” SUV Leak Out
Release by charging partner Electrify America offers hints on range, more.


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Ford hasn’t offered many details about its new Mustang-inspired EV SUV, but details are beginning to flow.

Ford plans to reveal its first long-range battery-electric vehicle, a “Mustang-inspired” SUV, at the Los Angeles Auto Show next month, but it’s been tight-lipped about details.

One of its partners was a little more loose-lipped, however. In a press release announcing a new alliance with the Detroit automaker, charging company Electrify America offered up some significant information covering range and other details.

Among other things, it appears, there will be more than one battery pack available for the new battery-SUV, including an “extended” range version that can deliver more than 300 miles. It also appears that the new crossover will be available with both rear- and all-wheel-drive options.

(Ford Releases First Images of “Mustang-Inspired” All-Electric SUV)

The SUV, the Electrify American news release said, “has a targeted range of 300 miles with an extended battery and rear-wheel-drive (and will be available) in late 2020.”

Whether that information was originally meant to be included in Ford’s own announcement is uncertain, but it was not included and, once word began to spread, EA deleted that from its own news release.


The new charging network should help Ford enhance the appeal of its upcoming “Mustang-inspired” SUV

(The automaker has committed more than $11 billion to its electrification)

“Ford will be releasing it’s all-new, Mustang-inspired electric SUV, that has a targeted EPA-estimated range of 300 miles with an extended battery and real-wheel-drive, in late 2020. The vehicle’s 150kW charging ability will allow very quick charging speeds on Electrify America’s 150 to 350 kW network. Ford estimates that it’s all-new, all-electric Mustang-inspired SUV will be capable to charge up to 47 miles in 10 minutes using Electrify America’s DC fast chargers, providing peace of mind for customers to be able to charge in minutes, not hours,” reads an excerpt from the charging company’s original news release.

The new charging network should help Ford enhance the appeal of its upcoming “Mustang-inspired” SUV.

The fact that Ford was aiming for something north of 300 miles is not a surprise. A company official earlier this year had hinted at a number as high as 315 miles per charge during an industry conference, noted Anton Wahlman, an analyst specializing in the electric vehicle market.

But this marks the first time that it has been revealed Ford will pick up a page from the Tesla playbook, offering both a standard battery pack and, at the least, an extended-range option, as well. We’ll likely have to wait until the L.A. unveiling to hear what the base version of the electric ute will offer.

The reference to a rear-drive model getting the maximum range suggests that Ford really did have the Mustang as inspiration for the new crossover. But there is little doubt that the battery-SUV also will be available in all-wheel-drive configuration, almost certainly with twin electric motors, one on each axle.

Among the questions this raises is whether the single motor on an RWD model would be larger than either of the twin motors on the AWD package.

The slip-up came as part of a broader announcement by Ford that it is partnering with both Electrify America – which is funded by $2 billion from the Volkswagen diesel emissions settlement – and Shell-owned Greenlots. Together, they will make available 12,000 charging stations across the U.S. and Canada, Ford claiming that is the largest public charging network in North America, with more than twice as many locations as found in the Tesla Supercharger network.

The automaker has committed more than $11 billion to its electrification program.

There are plenty of other questions yet to be answered about the new Ford SUV, including its name. It was originally teased at the 2018 North American International Auto Show using “Mach One.” There is some speculation it could be dubbed “Mach E” when it goes into production.

As for performance, with the Ford entry soon to be challenged by the upcoming Tesla Model Y, it will need to be quick to be taken seriously, something that is expected to mean a 0-60 sprint in the low to mid-3 second range.

When it comes to pricing, it likely also will target the Model Y, so that base version could come in somewhere in the very low $40,000 range, though the long-range, high-performance package would run somewhere up into $60,000 territory.

We expect to have more from Los Angeles – unless there’s another slip-up before then.
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Now the $54 dollar question is after a year or so will we see incentives on top of tax credits on top of invoice price unlike Tesla.

If you can get the AWD extended range version after all deductions for around $45k I would consider it.
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Now the $54 dollar question is after a year or so will we see incentives on top of tax credits on top of invoice price unlike Tesla.

If you can get the AWD extended range version after all deductions for around $45k I would consider it.
Once someone releases a moderately well equipped EV SUV or Truck with AWD / 4WD with 350miles for $45k (after all incentives, credits, etc), thats when I’ll make the switch over.

I’m predicting in 5 years is when my needs / wants become a reality. 3 years possible with limited or no features.

Also, give me knobs / a center dash with tactile feel and not some god damn tablet.
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Old 12-08-2019, 07:58 AM   #40
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The good news is that it won’t be an SUV… we think.


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Remember when people rioted across the streets of the internet when Ford announced it was going to use the Mach 1 name and what has now debuted as the Mach-E? Well, a new video – on that has since been taken private – posted by CJPonyParts, suggested that the Mach 1 name was going to be applied to a new Mustang once the Mustang Bullitt is killed off in 2021. Details were scarce, and the video is now AWOL, but here’s what we think we know.



According to Ford Authority and Carbuzz, who actually saw the video, the Mach 1 was said to offer more horsepower than the base Mustang GT.

That means the Mach 1 would have somewhere north of 460 horsepower.
Of course, it can’t go beyond the 760-horsepower Shelby GT500, so we have a baseline of reference.

The Mustang Bullitt is also said to be at the end of production in 2021, which will leave a gap to fill. It sat between the GT and Shelby GT350 with around 500 horsepower, just 26 ponies less than the GT350 with 526 horsepower and 429 pound-feet of torque. With all of this in mind, it’s not out of the question for the new Mach 1 to be just a bit more powerful than the soon-to-be-discontinued Mustang Bullitt.




However, Ford could take things one step further and position it between the GT350 and GT500, something we assume would push it closer to the 600-horsepower range to keep things even between the two Shelby models. It was said that the new Mach 1 would share some components with the GT350 and the GT Performance Pack Level 2, so this theory actually holds water to some extent.

Remember that all-electric Form Mustang Lithium on display at SEMA 2019?



Well, what if that was actually a preview of the new Mustang Mach 1 and nobody actually picked up on it?

It was just a concept, and it was built in collaboration with Webasto, but it’s still not out of the question. After all, it was late November 2019 when it was said that the Mustang name would soon become a “performance sub-brand,” and the Mach name is now associated with EVs thanks to the Mach-E SUV.


With that said, the Webasto setup in the Mustang Lithium concept was good for 900 horsepower and more than 1,000 pound-feet of torque. That’s not going to happen – instead, the Mustang Mach 1, if it does turn out to be electric, would probably share a lot of powertrain components with the Ford Mach-E electric SUV. The GT Performance model pumps out 459 horsepower and 612 pound-feet of torque, so it’s really not that far off from what we expect from the Mach 1 – a few tweaks here and there and it could easily move closer to GT350 power range. Electric range for that model would probably be somewhere in the 250-mile bracket, though, so range would be somewhat limited.

So how does that bit about borrowing parts from the GT350 and GT Performance pack fit in with an electric mustang? Well, the Mach 1 has to look the part of the performance car, so you can bet it will borrow some of the aggressive DNA from the GT350 (not all of it, as it will probably sit just below it) and the styling found in the GT Performance Pack Level 2. I’m talking about the wheels, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Tires, Brembo Brakes, and – maybe – the aluminum instrument panel.

FINAL THOUGHTS

Sure, the Mach 1 EV theory is a little out there, but Ford does have a functional, production-ready electric drivetrain and the electric drivetrain would be able to give the Mach 1 the performance it needs to fit in the lineup without needing too much work from Ford Engineers. With the Mustang Lithium already built and displayed, they even have something to work with in terms of packaging, assuming there’s any similarity between the Mustang Lithium and Ford’s new EV powertrain.

Rumor Has It that the Ford Mach-1 is Coming Back, And It Could Be Electric

I’m still not sure how I really feel about the idea. I guess a big part of me wants the Mach 1 – coming back after a 15-year hiatus, by the way - to feature the same 5.2-liter flat-plane crank V-8 from the Shelby GT models. Hell, a part of me even wants it to sit at the 600-horsepower mark between the GT350 and GT500. But, the future is electric and, if the Mach 1 name is going to be used, and it certainly will be used again, I’d prefer it to at least be used on a muscle car- even if it’s electric. An electric Mach 1 muscle car will still be 100 times better than a Mach 1 SUV, and Ford’s already seen how badly that was received, so this is really the only option if the name will ever be used on an SUV.
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