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Old 12-08-2019, 12:07 PM   #1
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Default Ford knew transmissions were defective...

https://www.freep.com/in-depth/money...ms/4243091002/

Just passing through Detroit and saw this headline... Ouch.
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:13 PM   #2
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Yeah that transmission was essentially DOA and you have to wonder what kind of company would just keep pumping out a product that did not work properly. I do like some cars Ford makes but they have been really shady with their cheap transmissions.
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Old 12-08-2019, 02:24 PM   #3
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The early VAG DSG transmissions would go into limp mode and tell the driver to pull over. These were the Japanese built units. I only had it happen once to me and I suspected it was my fault for not allowing enough time to warm up before getting onto the freeway on-ramp. The car had been sitting outside in 40 degree temps for an extended period. I pulled over and shut off the car and waited about 5 minutes. I turned the car back on and the warning was gone. I waited another 5 minutes or so to warm up and it was fine there on out. Never had the warning again and I auto-x'd that car. Could be there was a TSB flash that was done without my knowledge to the TCU during one of the many service visits I had to endure with that car that resolved the issue.

Ford's issues were unfortunately far more basic and catastrophic. Lots of hands in the jar with a ton of concerns and bean counting because of the economy and competition.
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Old 12-08-2019, 05:09 PM   #4
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Yeah that transmission was essentially DOA and you have to wonder what kind of company would just keep pumping out a product that did not work properly. I do like some cars Ford makes but they have been really shady with their cheap transmissions.
Read up on all the various issues on:

Ford Focus RS
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I mean itís crazy.
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Old 12-08-2019, 05:49 PM   #5
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... you have to wonder what kind of company would just keep pumping out a product that did not work properly....
Ask Takata.

Ford has past experience too. The Pinto had design flaws that Ford knew about too before people were killed.

GM knew about their ignition switches but didn't want to spend pennies to rectify it.

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Old 12-08-2019, 09:12 PM   #6
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Read up on all the various issues on:

Ford Focus RS
Ford Raptor
Ford GT350

I mean itís crazy.
Focus RS I canít blame too much blame on them. Cos worth designed and built the motor then left Ford holding the bag. The focus and other cars though, absolutely.

Iím not aware of the Raptor, what was going on with that one?

Lastly, letís all not pretend that hiding from defective parts / issues isnít a problem with every auto company who realizes itís cheaper to settle a class action than actually fix a problem. Itís legitimately factored into the budgets of likely every auto.

Itís ****ing dirty, all of it. The people I feel sorry for are those with lower income who pick these up on the used market and out of warranty only the be severely bent over when it brakes and canít afford repairs.
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Old 12-09-2019, 11:20 AM   #7
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Such greedy, short-sighted bean-counting. Long term with the 3 Billion (and counting) warranty and legal costs I can't imagine they netted out a profit. Of course, the decision makers back then probably have already moved on.
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Old 12-09-2019, 11:22 AM   #8
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Focus RS I canít blame too much blame on them. Cos worth designed and built the motor then left Ford holding the bag. The focus and other cars though, absolutely.
What? Sorry man, you got some bad information, big time. Cosworth didn't design jack S. The motor in it is Mazda derived. Cosworth was supposed to design and mfr. the head but Ford didn't want to pay. Sorry it was all Ford's fault and they damn well knew they hadn't solved the head gasket issue and shipped the cars anyway. Cosworth had nothing to do with any of it.
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Old 12-09-2019, 11:58 AM   #9
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I bought a 2013 focus that was slightly used in 2013 for cheap (was rental car) and came to find out about the widespread power shift transmission problems a year later when mine started acting up. They never came up with a permanent fix, basically they put a new clutch and seals in that only last 2,000 miles before it starts shuddering and messing up again. I've had my clutch/seals replaced like 10 times under warranty, tcm replaced under warranty when my car just went into neutral on the highway and wouldnt start back up, also the trans flashed about 12 times. Ford doesn't have a fix. I bought as second owner so nothing I could do in regard to lemon law in my state.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:00 PM   #10
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Also, I was kinda stuck with the car. For trade in dealers were offering pennies for them because of the known transmission problems and I couldn't sell it because I'm not a con man. Luckily, I'm high up enough in the mileage and years now that it isn't worth much anyway so dealer can't rip me off too much on trade in.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:38 PM   #11
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My mother has a Focus and I took it in for a transmission recall a while back. She only has 6k miles on it in 4-5 years so hopefully it will be OK. It's going to be a hard sell to get an 80 year old lady to buy a new car.
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Old 12-09-2019, 01:42 PM   #12
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What? Sorry man, you got some bad information, big time. Cosworth didn't design jack S. The motor in it is Mazda derived. Cosworth was supposed to design and mfr. the head but Ford didn't want to pay. Sorry it was all Ford's fault and they damn well knew they hadn't solved the head gasket issue and shipped the cars anyway. Cosworth had nothing to do with any of it.
My buddy at cosworth happens to think differently. *shrug*
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:32 PM   #13
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I bought a 2013 focus that was slightly used in 2013 for cheap (was rental car) and came to find out about the widespread power shift transmission problems a year later when mine started acting up. They never came up with a permanent fix, basically they put a new clutch and seals in that only last 2,000 miles before it starts shuddering and messing up again. I've had my clutch/seals replaced like 10 times under warranty, tcm replaced under warranty when my car just went into neutral on the highway and wouldnt start back up, also the trans flashed about 12 times. Ford doesn't have a fix. I bought as second owner so nothing I could do in regard to lemon law in my state.
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:48 PM   #14
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I haven't had any issues with my 2018 Raptor transmission yet...knock on wood.
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What? Sorry man, you got some bad information, big time. Cosworth didn't design jack S. The motor in it is Mazda derived. Cosworth was supposed to design and mfr. the head but Ford didn't want to pay. Sorry it was all Ford's fault and they damn well knew they hadn't solved the head gasket issue and shipped the cars anyway. Cosworth had nothing to do with any of it.
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The coolant problem has been liked to block distortion, and not the head gasket itself. It is rumored that the shape of the engine changes through multiple heat cycles, preventing the gasket from sealing the two parts correctly. Thankfully for Mustang owners, the issue is reportedly limited to the 2.3-liter engine found in the Focus RS. The Mustang engine uses a different type of alloy for its block and head, while the Focus RS is made from an upgraded alloy with a cast-iron lining.
After all the noise, head gaskets were fine. It's the engine itself. More simple and catastrophic should be Ford's tag line.
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Old 12-09-2019, 04:06 PM   #16
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I haven't had any issues with my 2018 Raptor transmission yet...knock on wood.


My friendís Ď17 F150 with the 3.5EB and 10-spd just had a trans failure at 27k-miles. Went to neutral and that was that. Hope thatís not a sign of things to come with the 10-spd.
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After all the noise, head gaskets were fine. It's the engine itself. More simple and catastrophic should be Ford's tag line.
The head gaskets were not fine. Ford installed Mustang EB headgaskets on all the 2016/2017 Focus RS MK3's. The RS has a completely different head than the Mustang.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:39 PM   #18
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I was a victim of this. I've already written a novel on it here so I won't beat that dead horse any more. Ford simply thought it would be cheaper to ignore the problem than fix it. $3B already spent on it and the class action hasn't been settled yet.

Good riddance.
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