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Old 01-25-2005, 01:24 AM   #1
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Default Tread wear of 140. How long do they last?

For a high performance summer tire like Bridgestone RE070 tires with tread wear rating of 140, how long would they last under normal driving condition with occasional spirited driving? Let's just assume that the car will be daily driven mostly on a highway. Is it possible to get 30k miles out of them?

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Not likely.

I had one track day on mine, and I'll be lucky to see 12,000
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Old 01-25-2005, 02:00 AM   #3
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I've managed to get 12k out of my tires @ 240 and I'm just now hitting the Warranty makers so i still have 80% tred left. With a good alignment and normal drving I think can get atleast 20k out of them.
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Old 01-25-2005, 03:14 AM   #4
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I thought the RE070's wore very well compared to the Falken Azenis (also 140 treadwear). But 30k would be seriously pushing it unless you're spirited driving is a lot less spirited than normal. My stock set lasted about 7500 miles, but there were 4 track days and some autocrosses in there. The Azenis lasted less than 5000 miles with no track days, but more autocrossing. This is admittedly very spirited driving, but still I would think 15k miles would be a reasonable amount to assume, with anything over that being lucky. Zero toe and lots of highway driving would help.
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:49 AM   #5
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i'm @ 21k and counting
no autox or track
approx 8 or so trips to the 1/8 mile strip though
frequent spirited driving about town
it looks like i have a couple thousand left in them, but new wheels and tires are coming this week, and i don't think i can hold off on putting em on
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Old 01-25-2005, 11:24 AM   #6
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14.5k on mine, maybe 6k left if I'm willing to put up with less grip( I'm not). No track time but plenty of these-seats-suck-cornering. I'll be replacing them shortly..
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Old 01-25-2005, 11:46 AM   #7
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My rule of thumb is, with typical driving, each 100 = one year and/or 15,000 miles. Therefore, 140 = a year and a half, and/or 21,000 miles. This depends entirely on your driving style of course. You could use then up in less than a year, or you could stretch them out to 2.5 years.
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Old 01-25-2005, 01:15 PM   #8
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I've had 280 tires last 12,000 miles and 140 tires last 17,000+. There's more to tread life than the treadwear rating.
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It is also my understanding that there is no relationship between tread ware ratings of different manufacturers. You can only compare tread ware ratings between Bridgestones and not, for example, between a Bridgestone tire and a Goodyear tire. Maybe someone from Tire Rack can confirm that.
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it's all about the driver and his/her driving style .... I would only get about 3,000 - 5,000
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It is also my understanding that there is no relationship between tread ware ratings of different manufacturers. You can only compare tread ware ratings between Bridgestones and not, for example, between a Bridgestone tire and a Goodyear tire. Maybe someone from Tire Rack can confirm that.
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Old 01-25-2005, 02:18 PM   #12
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But, they're going to be in the same ball park.

A 140 from one manufacture may be the same as a 160 from another manufacture, but it's unlikely it would be the same as a 300.
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Old 01-25-2005, 04:31 PM   #13
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It all depends on how long you want them to last. If you go real easy on them, you can prolly get 30k miles on them. Treadwear depends on how you use your tires. You can make those re070 last 1k miles or 30k miles. Depends how your gonna treat em.

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Old 01-25-2005, 09:42 PM   #14
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If you get 30K out of the stock RE070's, shame on you. That probably means you drove it like an old granny. Seriously though, with some spirited driving, 20K is a more realistic number.



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Old 01-26-2005, 01:48 AM   #15
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But, they're going to be in the same ball park.

A 140 from one manufacture may be the same as a 160 from another manufacture, but it's unlikely it would be the same as a 300.
The RE92 would seem to dispute this since it's treadwear rating is a low 160 but tons of people get 40,000+ miles out of them whereas a RE950 (treadwear 320) will be lucky to get 40,000+ miles. There really is only a loose correlation between treadwear and actual tread life.
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Old 01-26-2005, 01:53 AM   #16
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If you get 30K out of the stock RE070's, shame on you. That probably means you drove it like an old granny. Seriously though, with some spirited driving, 20K is a more realistic number.



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I took my RE070's off at 17,000 miles and there was about 4/32" of tread left. I agree that they could easily be stretched to 20,000 - and I drive them hard - but then I also have a good alignment. Even the slightest bit of toe out or not enough camber will end a set of tires early in their lifetimes.
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The RE92 would seem to dispute this since it's treadwear rating is a low 160 but tons of people get 40,000+ miles out of them whereas a RE950 (treadwear 320) will be lucky to get 40,000+ miles. There really is only a loose correlation between treadwear and actual tread life.
I had two sets of RE92s and I only got 12k out of the first one and 15k out of the second set. I have NO idea how people are getting 40k out of those things.
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Old 01-26-2005, 02:23 AM   #18
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I had two sets of RE92s and I only got 12k out of the first one and 15k out of the second set. I have NO idea how people are getting 40k out of those things.
What is your alignment?
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Old 01-26-2005, 02:39 AM   #19
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What is your alignment?
Alignment is fine. The roads around here just chew up tires pretty badly. Lots of hills, lots of turns, lots of temperature swings, and bad pavement.

I had BFGoodrich KDWS as my second set of tires and while they only lasted for 11k miles, they also had about 60 autocross passes with them as well so they definatly wore better than the first set of RE92s that only lasted for 12k miles with no autocross passes.

The second set of RE92s lasted longer and had a few autocrosses on them as well. I attribute their longer wear to me moving down the road a bit. My last apartment was in a location that encouraged use of a very twisty and hilly road while my new apartment doesn't require use of that road nearly as often.

My Pirellis don't appear to be wearing at all. I got about 3500 miles on them and they still look brand new.
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It is also my understanding that there is no relationship between tread ware ratings of different manufacturers. You can only compare tread ware ratings between Bridgestones and not, for example, between a Bridgestone tire and a Goodyear tire. Maybe someone from Tire Rack can confirm that.
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The RE92 would seem to dispute this since it's treadwear rating is a low 160 but tons of people get 40,000+ miles out of them whereas a RE950 (treadwear 320) will be lucky to get 40,000+ miles. There really is only a loose correlation between treadwear and actual tread life.
If this is the case then Bridgestone has some serious rating issues.
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I had two sets of RE92s and I only got 12k out of the first one and 15k out of the second set. I have NO idea how people are getting 40k out of those things.
Odd. Uniform wear? My understanding was that tread wear was their most redeeming feature. I've seen non performance WRX owners get >30K on'm. Are you a very spirted driver or live in hot climate?

Edit: never mind, #19 explains it all.
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My last apartment was in a location that encouraged use of a very twisty and hilly road
So you didn't HAVE to take that road if it weren't for that encouragement. I wish I had that kind of place.
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So you didn't HAVE to take that road if it weren't for that encouragement. I wish I had that kind of place.
If you ever been out to the Pittsburgh area, my comment would make sense. There are usually no less than 10 seperate and distinct ways of getting from point A to point B. The location of the apartment made the hilly and twisty way slightly quicker than other ways and loads more fun.


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Interestingly enough, you can often see another spot, like that other end of a bridge, or that intersection off to the left; and had you been there, you would go home following an entirely different route. But you wouldn't think of driving over there to go home from there. Sometimes, if you're just parked facing town, you take one route, but if you're parked facing away from town you take a different one. It just isn't worth trying to turn around to take the other route.
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Old 01-26-2005, 03:57 PM   #24
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Wow! With ultra high performance summer tires, I run out Yoko Prada specs in 7 months. Ran out 2 sets od KDW's in 6 months each in an E320 sedan. I really really wish I could get a year of life from 280 wear tires let alone 150 wear tires. Just street use too. Stiff suspension and hard cornering I guess. shrug.
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My rule of thumb is, with typical driving, each 100 = one year and/or 15,000 miles. Therefore, 140 = a year and a half, and/or 21,000 miles. This depends entirely on your driving style of course. You could use then up in less than a year, or you could stretch them out to 2.5 years.

I like that idea, not sure I agree with it, but I like it. I've been told by the local America's Tire and a Les Schwab Tire, the treadwear number is roughly the amount of miles you get if you add two Zeros. Treadwear 140=14,000 miles.

On my other car I killed a set of Yoko AVS Intermediates (treadwear 160) in 12K, ran them in the summer for another ~5K, then the cords showed up.

Almost all my tires have died within the "add two zeros" theory with an aggressive cornering alignment (not the wrx) and no toe. The wrx wagon is doing alright as well on Mich. PS2s (treadwear 220), but I dont spin tires ever.


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