This is what happens when governments print trillions of dollars, the easy money creates all sorts of distortions. Everyone will have to adjust to the end of easy money, including BMW.

Are you referring to the oil industry and all of the subsides they've gotten over generations? And the fact that auto makers are making less profit per car on EV's than ICE vehicles?

Because increasing subsidies on EV's to match that of oil and gas wouldn't go over well, but if it could somehow increase profits, maybe stupid ideas like this wouldn't be needed.

I agree with that, but no, I'm talking more generally about the last 13 years where the global central banks pumped something on the order of $50 trillion of newly created money into financial assets. This exploded luxury car sales and made companies like BMW very arrogant.

Now that inflation has struck and central banks are reversing this easy money policy, it'll be a rude awakening for companies like BMW and Porsche who thrived on ever increasing asset bubbles.

This has nothing to do with the Government and is just pure capitalism with businesses seeing a way to generate more profit and revenue with an on going income stream. I don’t agree with it but blaming the government for corporations seeing an opportunity for a new revenue stream is pretty ridiculous. The auto industry is not alone in trying to do this shift which I think will not end well.

I see where you're head is at.

I think something like this would have happened regardless. They've been testing the waters for years. Tesla pioneered this type of garbage, so we can thank them for it. Good 'ol American greed at it's finest.

The only way to protect ourselves is to make this nonsense illegal.

This guy gets it. As I mentioned in my post on the first page, it’s called a recurring revenue model, auto industry is not the first to try it. Simply put it’s late stage capitalism shenanigans. But, government is also complicit as it’s in the pockets of corporations and lacks the balls to implement regulations. Sad thing is guys like Vermit is clearly upset about these capitalist shenanigans but too much Faux news redirects his anger in misplaced places such as the printing money myth. Any regulation talks to him and his ilk would be: “ZoMg KoMuNiSm LeT FrEe MArKeT Be” lol wellllll enjoy your free market subscriptions bud

That Benz stuff is just like how Dodge is going forward with their Muscle EV cars. You want to modify them? You have to go to the dealer for Dodge connection and only the dealer.

Mercedes Says Law Is Preventing EV Performance Boost Subscriptions in Europe
https://jalopnik.com/mercedes-says-l...utm_source=YPL

sorry sick of this tired trope of a generalization. A great portion of those subsidies are tax breaks that ANY company who invests in research and exploration and development can take. If you want to trim the fat, lets not be a hypocrite. Lets trim it.

End all carbon credit purchases that needlessly put anything ICE car company at disadvantage and funnels money to all EV manufacturers.

Oil and Gas industry created our entire way of life, they created every single thing we touch, use and own. If they are getting subsidies beyond what any other company who invests in risky adventures are, and I am sure that they are to some degree, it benefits every single working American. Lower Petroleum prices lowers the cost of every single thing you buy. Every. Single. Thing.

One set of subsidies if you want to call it that improves the quality of life for everybody, while the other props up an inferior form of energy production for ideological purposes. But I know 'warmers' want their green energy no matter how unreliable it is.

We should be embracing green energy while maxing out oil production. We need both. The either / or idiocy is juvenile.

This is just not true. The tax benefits to these companies to write off tangible and intangible drilling basically means that we, the tax payers, have paid for nearly all of the drilling equipment out there, however successful it was, or wasn't. They are literally written only for oil companies. Yes, other companies can write off some things, but the code literally has written into it items to benefit the oil industry alone.
Yes, because that's what rich people do, they return that money back to the "regular" people... Oh wait, Charles Koch, one individual person, has an income that's over a billion dollars a year? And somehow you think taxpayers need to fund his drilling adventures? You can pay that **** on your own, I want my money in my pocket, let him fund his own exploration. I know that if I want to start up my own gig I don't get those same benefits.

I recall texas recently suffering the shut down of 6 gas fired electricity plants in the middle of a heat wave, prompting a california-like energy crisis. And less than a year before that, natural gas, coal, nuclear, and wind all going down because of a winter storm, with natural gas having the largest impact... That's your definition of reliable?

Of course. We're in a transition period. But at some point oil's use for energy production will dwindle to zero... You and I won't be here for it, but it will happen as long as humans are still on the planet.

You will own nothing.

Our very own Subaru has been doing this **** for a while now. Where's the outrage?

You will own nothing.

Our very own Subaru has been doing this **** for a while now. Where’s the outrage?

Are you saying there has not been money printing by our .gov?

WE ARE NOT DICKING UP ANOTHER THREAD WITH POLITICS.

Thanks and have a wonderful Sunday.

Polestar knows how to do it, one time charge
Polestar 2 gets 68-horsepower bump via optional over-the-air update
It costs about $17.50 per horsepower
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/12/06/...ade-available/

Just because Polestar cut the sandwich diagonally, doesn't change the fact that it's still a s*** sandwich.

at least it's a s#!t sandwich purchase, not a recurring subscription, i'm trying to be more positive.....

I***8217;ll say it again.

Subaru has been doing this **** for a while now. Where***8217;s the outrage?

I’ll say it again.

Subaru has been doing this **** for a while now. Where’s the outrage?

Correct. To be literal about it, the federal reserve creates most money with the click of a button, just like they destroy money by taxing with the click of a button, simply put they’re mostly computer transactions not physical printers going brrrrrrr. And, the receivers of all that money are banks, who then create even more money by means of deposits and loans. So, actually, banks are the generators of most of the money in circulation in our economy, not the “gumbit”…

But, even beyond all these technicalities, my post was mostly to say that our problems don’t stem from the amount of money being put into circulation by the government. Most people don’t even understand that we have a fiat currency, that taxes don’t fund anything (which is yet another myth), and how the federal government can afford anything it wants as its only limited by resources. But anyway, another can of worms, my point is that there’s many other factors that contribute to the decline of our middle class and economy.

example of Subaru subscription / recurring service fee for "software" control of already installed "hardware"?

I think thats a funny way to do business. So they sell you the product with the functionality, but say it costs more to "Unlock" said functionality, when in retrospect.. couldn't they have just made more money in the beginning by selling with the functionality from the Get-go? Who says one of these Thick-accent tech guys won't find a way around the charge, with some plug n play that they will sell from their Youtube channel lmao
It was super easy to get AAAD working on my phone to get Youtube and screen mirroring working on the Subaru 11.6in screen.

Double.. inept-ness...

KTM like Polestar above, when you buy some of their motorcycles have things disabled electronically that you then need to pay for to access (Quickshifter, riding modes, etc).

A number of companies do this; you can see it two ways.

1. It's the company stiffing their customers to access what they have already purchased.
2. Reduces variability in production and lowers entry cost so you only pay for the stuff you will use.

The monthly subscription is a complete money grab just like Office 365 and Photoshop.

Paying for a 3rd party add-on like SAT radio is one thing heated seats is just BS.

Uh.. try the auto-start on my 2020 Ascent. Remote door lock/unlock etc.

I failed to re-up my 4th year renewal and *poof* no more auto-start.