STI question, (NO, not is it coming here)

-=C=- · 11-09-2001, 11:38 AM

I had read that in Japan cars are "limited" to 276hp. So the STi is quoted as having this right? How much does it actually make? Is it much more?

See, my question is, if I put $5-6k in mods in my WRX will I match the performance (all-around) that the STi would have if it came to the states?

What's the difference in the engine? Does the STi run a bigger turbo?

Just curious.

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subywan-kenobi · 11-09-2001, 11:45 AM

Well, that limitation you are speaking of is actually not a law. It is just an agreement by the manufacturers over there to not rate their cars higher than the 280 mark, although you will start to see cars rated higher in the near future.......at least, such is the speculation.

I think the STI may be slightly underrated, but probably closer to 300, not much more than that though. That is just my guess from reading a ton of "EVO" mags and what they have had to say in the past.

No way for $5 - 6 K will a stateside WRX match the all around performance of an STI. Only the straigtline performance could be matched. You're talking 6-speed, better turbo, variable valve timing, better suspension, and the list goes on right down to the lighting of the damn thing!!

The STI runs an IHI VF-30 turbo, but if you do a search you can find the difference between the engines........too many to list once again!!

Mike S.

bsquare · 11-09-2001, 06:34 PM

The 280PS (276hp) "rule" is much like the 155mph "rule" in Germany, it's just something the car makers got together and thought up. However, torque is not limited, so frequently these cars are geared low (don't need to go faster than 112mph, after all), and tuned for torque, so they seem amazingly fast in typical test scenarios.

I agree that it is unlikely you can match the package performance of the STi for $6k of mods to a WRX. You'd have to drop $4k+ on brakes/suspension/wheels/tires alone.

Ben

Mr.WRX2002 · 11-09-2001, 07:14 PM

On the other hand if the STi does come over here it will cost atleast 10k or 15k over the standard WRX price tag. If it isn't that much more expensive then why would anyone buy the regular WRX.

subywan-kenobi · 11-09-2001, 07:22 PM

Yeah, but not every one needs the biggest baddest top dog vehicle in its class!!

Mike S.

Xeno · 11-09-2001, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.WRX2002
On the other hand if the STi does come over here it will cost atleast 10k or 15k over the standard WRX price tag. If it isn't that much more expensive then why would anyone buy the regular WRX.

i used to think that till the new STi was released in Australia. CHEAPER than it had been previously.. $55,130..

take into account that the WRX price in AUD when converted to USD is about what the WRX is over here and I believe the STi will come in at about $30K or a tad over..

no longer can you 'build' an STi out of a WRX for the price as you possibly could have in previous years.. IMHO this current STi is the best one yet, even if it is slightly slower supposedly than previous years.. at least in the AU and European markets..

contrary to that.. the JP STi is rumored to produce around 230 Kw.. more than the 206 it claims..

i predict we will see a similar STi to the AU/European - about 260 to 265 hp.. its not the HP thats important..its all of the awesome goodies that come with it.. AVCS.. 8000 Redline.. Front and Rear SureTrak .. etc etc..

i'm putting off modding my WRX to save for an STi

whtstr · 11-09-2001, 08:22 PM

just a thought, Japanese government has been regulating this for many years, restrict car mfg's production cars to limit at 280 hp

but, usually, the top production cars have much more potentials than 280hp. for example, Skyline GTR, Honda NSX.... Japan's best sports cars. With slide mods, these cars are like rockets! so, i think 280hp is just a number for government to chk. under the hood....

subywan-kenobi · 11-09-2001, 08:26 PM

It's actually not a government regulation.........common misconception, as that's what I use to think until much more knowledgeable people and guys who lived there, corrected me. Strictly an agreement between the manufacturers that will soon be broken with the new figures on the R35 Skyline most likely.

Mike S.

bsquare · 11-09-2001, 08:42 PM

112mph speed limiters are government mandated, 280PS power outputs are not.

Ben

RBPWRX · 11-10-2001, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xeno

i'm putting off modding my WRX to save for an STi

Me too! As long as I stay away from the vendor-for sale forum!

BADWRX · 11-10-2001, 04:19 AM

Cars in Japan that are rated over 280ps, are taxed to high hell...that is why all of the major manufactures "SAY" that the outuput is 280PS.

Corvettes, and Vipers and such in Japan get the shaft in a bad way. I think that is awesome, because the Skyline will walk on those cars with only slight mods. Well, the Corvette anyways!

I will get my GTR in 2004...That is when I am moving back to Japan!

Andy

subywan-kenobi · 11-10-2001, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SACTOWNREXMAN
I will get my GTR in 2004...That is when I am moving back to Japan!

Andy

You lucky bastard.........don't tell us all that!!

Mike S.

SGOSWRX · 11-10-2001, 11:13 AM

I was told by a guy working for Subaru (what does he know) that the U.S. will be getting the STi model. It will be detuned and mostly cosmetic and suspension changes. Not alot of additional HP. This sounds about right. I dought they will give us the 280hp + Sti.

titsataki · 11-10-2001, 12:49 PM

I have heard rumours saying that a left hand drive STi dor Europe at about 265hp is going to be produced. Up to now there has never been a left hand drive STi. (offical). They have to do that since the EVO VI and VII have been around in Europe in left hand drive form rated at 280 (or was it 276)hp. These cars are insanelly fast from the manufacturer. They also have a very sophisticated AWD/Yaw control system. I think the STi may show up in the US as 2004 MY in 2003.

Cheers

T.

PS: you can have a 275-300hp WRX for $6.5k but it will not be everything the STi is. Breaks, suspension, 6sp gearbox, engine internals, turbo. An even you get upgrades you will have a WRX on steroids still you will not have an STi

(even if you put Sti stickers and red badges to your heart's content) you will have a very capable car all around thou... lots of people will be happy with that.

Conduit · 11-10-2001, 06:14 PM

It doesn't matter. If your goals are higher than what the STI is making, then you wouldn't want to start with an STi. If you are upgrading to Cusco parts and suspension, building a block and bolting on some large garrett turbo, you don't want to "throw away" the nice STi parts. Seats? Headlights? what are we really talking about here. A BUILT car (and I mean fully) is bad, no matter what the base car was. Period.

subywan-kenobi · 11-10-2001, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Conduit
It doesn't matter. If your goals are higher than what the STI is making, then you wouldn't want to start with an STi. If you are upgrading to Cusco parts and suspension, building a block and bolting on some large garrett turbo, you don't want to "throw away" the nice STi parts. Seats? Headlights? what are we really talking about here. A BUILT car (and I mean fully) is bad, no matter what the base car was. Period.

Couldn't have said it much better myself!!

Mike S.

11-09-2001, 11:38 AM	#1
-=C=- Scooby Specialist Member#: 7719 Join Date: Jun 2001 Vehicle: 99 F-150 crew cab with illegals in bed	STI question, (NO, not is it coming here) I had read that in Japan cars are "limited" to 276hp. So the STi is quoted as having this right? How much does it actually make? Is it much more? See, my question is, if I put $5-6k in mods in my WRX will I match the performance (all-around) that the STi would have if it came to the states? What's the difference in the engine? Does the STi run a bigger turbo? Just curious. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

11-10-2001, 12:49 PM	#14
titsataki Scooby Specialist Member#: 4402 Join Date: Feb 2001 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: USA	I have heard rumours saying that a left hand drive STi dor Europe at about 265hp is going to be produced. Up to now there has never been a left hand drive STi. (offical). They have to do that since the EVO VI and VII have been around in Europe in left hand drive form rated at 280 (or was it 276)hp. These cars are insanelly fast from the manufacturer. They also have a very sophisticated AWD/Yaw control system. I think the STi may show up in the US as 2004 MY in 2003. Cheers T. PS: you can have a 275-300hp WRX for $6.5k but it will not be everything the STi is. Breaks, suspension, 6sp gearbox, engine internals, turbo. An even you get upgrades you will have a WRX on steroids still you will not have an STi (even if you put Sti stickers and red badges to your heart's content) you will have a very capable car all around thou... lots of people will be happy with that. Last edited by titsataki; 11-10-2001 at 01:01 PM.

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11-09-2001, 11:45 AM	#2
subywan-kenobi Scooby Specialist Member#: 4268 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: San Jose, CA Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon WR Blue Pearl	Well, that limitation you are speaking of is actually not a law. It is just an agreement by the manufacturers over there to not rate their cars higher than the 280 mark, although you will start to see cars rated higher in the near future.......at least, such is the speculation. I think the STI may be slightly underrated, but probably closer to 300, not much more than that though. That is just my guess from reading a ton of "EVO" mags and what they have had to say in the past. No way for $5 - 6 K will a stateside WRX match the all around performance of an STI. Only the straigtline performance could be matched. You're talking 6-speed, better turbo, variable valve timing, better suspension, and the list goes on right down to the lighting of the damn thing!! The STI runs an IHI VF-30 turbo, but if you do a search you can find the difference between the engines........too many to list once again!! Mike S.

11-09-2001, 06:34 PM	#3
bsquare Scooby Specialist Member#: 1911 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Vehicle: 2000 Impreza 2.5RS Silverthorn Metallic	The 280PS (276hp) "rule" is much like the 155mph "rule" in Germany, it's just something the car makers got together and thought up. However, torque is not limited, so frequently these cars are geared low (don't need to go faster than 112mph, after all), and tuned for torque, so they seem amazingly fast in typical test scenarios. I agree that it is unlikely you can match the package performance of the STi for $6k of mods to a WRX. You'd have to drop $4k+ on brakes/suspension/wheels/tires alone. Ben

11-09-2001, 07:14 PM	#4
Mr.WRX2002 Scooby Newbie Member#: 7978 Join Date: Jul 2001 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Baytown, TX Vehicle: 02 WRX 17For XT 15 f150 17 Mustang GTPP	On the other hand if the STi does come over here it will cost atleast 10k or 15k over the standard WRX price tag. If it isn't that much more expensive then why would anyone buy the regular WRX.

11-09-2001, 07:22 PM	#5
subywan-kenobi Scooby Specialist Member#: 4268 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: San Jose, CA Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon WR Blue Pearl	Yeah, but not every one needs the biggest baddest top dog vehicle in its class!! Mike S.

11-09-2001, 08:22 PM	#7
whtstr Scooby Specialist Member#: 7303 Join Date: Jun 2001 Vehicle: 2002 WRX Super White Vishnu Stage 0 Plus	just a thought, Japanese government has been regulating this for many years, restrict car mfg's production cars to limit at 280 hp but, usually, the top production cars have much more potentials than 280hp. for example, Skyline GTR, Honda NSX.... Japan's best sports cars. With slide mods, these cars are like rockets! so, i think 280hp is just a number for government to chk. under the hood....

11-09-2001, 08:26 PM	#8
subywan-kenobi Scooby Specialist Member#: 4268 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: San Jose, CA Vehicle: 2002 WRX Wagon WR Blue Pearl	It's actually not a government regulation.........common misconception, as that's what I use to think until much more knowledgeable people and guys who lived there, corrected me. Strictly an agreement between the manufacturers that will soon be broken with the new figures on the R35 Skyline most likely. Mike S.

11-09-2001, 08:42 PM	#9
bsquare Scooby Specialist Member#: 1911 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Vehicle: 2000 Impreza 2.5RS Silverthorn Metallic	112mph speed limiters are government mandated, 280PS power outputs are not. Ben

11-10-2001, 04:19 AM	#11
BADWRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 3792 Join Date: Jan 2001 Vehicle: 2002 6MT almost GDB	Cars in Japan that are rated over 280ps, are taxed to high hell...that is why all of the major manufactures "SAY" that the outuput is 280PS. Corvettes, and Vipers and such in Japan get the shaft in a bad way. I think that is awesome, because the Skyline will walk on those cars with only slight mods. Well, the Corvette anyways! I will get my GTR in 2004...That is when I am moving back to Japan! Andy

11-10-2001, 11:13 AM	#13
SGOSWRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 10921 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: S.W. Florida Vehicle: 04 04 STi 12.8 @ 105 mph	I was told by a guy working for Subaru (what does he know) that the U.S. will be getting the STi model. It will be detuned and mostly cosmetic and suspension changes. Not alot of additional HP. This sounds about right. I dought they will give us the 280hp + Sti.

11-10-2001, 06:14 PM	#15
Conduit Scooby Specialist Member#: 6162 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Orlando, FL. USA Vehicle: 2002 WRX MBP, 1st WRX Ever in FL.	It doesn't matter. If your goals are higher than what the STI is making, then you wouldn't want to start with an STi. If you are upgrading to Cusco parts and suspension, building a block and bolting on some large garrett turbo, you don't want to "throw away" the nice STi parts. Seats? Headlights? what are we really talking about here. A BUILT car (and I mean fully) is bad, no matter what the base car was. Period.